Negotiate?? Fuck negotiation with republican terrorists

[cali]

Call them what you like. I favor terrorist, extortionist, hostage taking, bomb throwing, psychopathic fuckwads.

what the hell have these fuckwads offered that can possibly be a starting point for negotiation? Oh, they say they're willing to negotiate and the MSM parrots them as if they were in any way offering anything legitimate, but they aren't serious about negotiating anything. They're simply pointing a gun and making outrageous demands.

Horsey said it awfully well a couple of days ago- along with a brilliant cartoon from 2009:

By utilizing the dual threats of a government shutdown and a default on the debts owed by the United States, House Republicans have moved far beyond traditional political horsetrading and into the realm of government by extortion.

Rush Limbaugh and the partisan crew at Fox News, of course, echo GOP talking points that say any shutdown or default will be President Obama’s fault because he failed to bargain with Republicans. But that is akin to saying a warehouse owner is at fault for the fire that destroyed his warehouse because he refused the ransom demands of the arsonist who set the fire.

In a normal political negotiation, one party grants something the other side wants in order to get something they want. Republicans are pretending that the process going on now is exactly that. They are offering a trade: If the president will dump the healthcare plan that Congress approved and the Supreme Court ratified as constitutional, they will, in exchange, keep the government in business and allow the debt ceiling to be raised. But that’s not a standard political swap. Keeping government functioning and preserving the integrity of government credit are not simply items on Obama’s legislative agenda. They are core elements of operating a sound government and maintaining a healthy economy. They are not merely things that Obama wants, they are vital to the livelihood of every American citizen.

Only a fool or a fanatic would play chicken with something so important to everyone, but there seem to be plenty of fools and fanatics in the House Republican caucus. Not since the years leading up to the Civil War have members of Congress displayed such a rash willingness to risk the welfare of the nation for the sake of an ideological goal.

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http://www.latimes.com/opinion/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-government-by-extortion-20130926,0,7267622.story

[Rosa Luxemburg]

1. Republicans should be ousted from Congress as they are incompetent fools

[Plucketeer]

22. Hmmmmmm..... sadly

they've been PUT THERE by incompetent fools. Now if LYNCHING was an option!

[truebluegreen]

33. On another thread there was the suggestion to commit them...like to an asylum.

Works for me. They are a menace to society and a danger even to themselves.

[pscot]

2. There's nothing to negotiate

The Senate won't repeal ACA. What's left?

[cali]

4. it's not even possible to repeal the ACA, for pete's sake

How in hell do you practically do that when quite a few pieces are already in effect?

[questionseverything]

5. i have a question

i am asking here cause you are usually reasonable ...please dont be offended

if the 60/40 plan pays 60% of a $100,000 medical bill and the insured pays their out of pocket of 12,700 on that bill....who pays the $27,300 that is left?

[cali]

7. I'm not at all offended

I wish I could answer.

[questionseverything]

8. no one seems to know

here is a 2nd question

for a couple in their 50s with 1 child,75 grand annual income in illinois,looks like smokers would pay 33% a year for healthcare

same couple non smoking 26% of income

that same family would already be paying 20 % in ss and income taxes

so does every1 but me think that is affordable?

[dballance]

19. You are asking perfectly good questions.

I think perhaps you meant 33% and 26% of cost of healthcare - not total income. That would be rather outrageous to pay over a third of one's income for health care. Certainly not "affordable."

Our private, for-profit health care system is quite awful for people with limited incomes. However, only going into debt for a third of your care rather than 100% is better than nothing at this point.

I think you might want to check the math. A family making 75k with 1 dependent will not really be paying 20% in income and SS by the time they take deductions. Even less if they can itemize due to a mortgage and state income taxes. The stated rates might be that high but their effective rates will not be.

[questionseverything]

39. no not 26% of healthcare

on 75 grand yearly income for 2 adults and 1 child (according to the aca calculators posted here at du)

the premium the customer pays is 7125 a yr( govt pays another 5 grand)

out of pocket 12,700...that adds up to 19,825 a year which is 26% of that families income

as far as the 20%,i was including illinois 5% income tax, so 20 % tax burden for this family is actually a low estimate

[TomClash]

15. So do you favor single-payer instead?

Where is the stop loss limit in your example?

[questionseverything]

34. yes i favor single payer

not sure what you mean by stop loss?

[TomClash]

40. Stop loss

Is the point where the carrier pays 100% and the 60/40 split no longer applies. $5,000 is typical.

[questionseverything]

42. 12,700 is what the link said

(i like ur 5 grand idea better tho)

[subterranean]

25. In answer to your question...

if the 60/40 plan pays 60% of a $100,000 medical bill and the insured pays their out of pocket of 12,700 on that bill....who pays the $27,300 that is left?

Once the insured person/family reaches the out-of-pocket maximum, the insurance company is responsible for paying 100% of any expenses above that. So in your example, assuming that $12,700 is the out-of-pocket maximum, the insurance company would pay the remaining $27,300.

[questionseverything]

36. that would be good news

but then why buy 70/30 rather than 60/40?

if you have a link that shows that i would apprciate

[pscot]

3. Recced for " terrorist, extortionist, hostage taking, bomb throwing, psychopathic fuckwads. "

you definitely have a way with words.

[rhett o rick]

6. I have been saying for the last few years, that you cant negotiate with terrorists and Republicans.

To continue to try is insanity.

[wandy]

9. A guide for negotiation with republicans.........

[Snake Plissken]

10. Why beat around the bush ... Hey baggers, you want to negotiation?

[judesedit]

11. Cruz wasted 21 hours & our tax $ reading De Seuss.Why wasn't he talking about an alternative to ACA

They have nothing and they care nothing. Only about the big bucks their puppet-masters will throw them.

[Snake Plissken]

12. We don't negotiate with terrorists ... foreign or domestic

what more needs to be said?

I can't believe this nonsense is being drag out this long, it's like a never-ending episode of some public access reality TV program.

[backscatter712]

13. I'm game for total fucking war with them.

If they want to default on the debts and shut down the government for six months straight, let them try!

I'm game to see which political party gets lynched first.

[pasto76]

16. yes, become what we hate most!

dont notice the radical idea you are suggesting?

[truebluegreen]

37. I understand the sentiment but their own big money boyz

will beat them into submission long before that.

As long as it causes a permanent rift in the party I'm fine with that.

[calimary]

14. THIS! VVVVVV

"Rush Limbaugh and the partisan crew at Fox News, of course, echo GOP talking points that say any shutdown or default will be President Obama’s fault because he failed to bargain with Republicans. But that is akin to saying a warehouse owner is at fault for the fire that destroyed his warehouse because he refused the ransom demands of the arsonist who set the fire."

SUPERB metaphor in this editorial you found, Cali! Reinforcing bad behavior: would you do it as a parent? No? Then why would you do it with your Congress-critter?

[cali]

17. Horsey is great. Great political cartoonist and a great analyst as well.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

18. Isn't that unfair? Surely, you don't mean to include the high-level Republicans that Obama

appointed to high-level positions in his Administration?

And surely you don't mean to include the Republicans that Obama appointed to his Cat-Food Commission?

[cali]

29. what I don't fucking mean to do is unfairly slam Obama

as you're doing.

and I triple dog dare anyone to call me an Obama apologist.

This is solely the fault of the teahadists and their chief enabler Boehner.

It has exactly fucking nothing to do with republican appointments.

Your post is a actually sad evidence that the claims of Obama Derangement Syndrome has some validity.

Sheesh.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

31. Then it is OK if I criticize such Republicans?

[BlueDemKev]

20. You can only negotiate with adults...

...not jihadists. The only thing we can do is defeat these bastards with votes. When we do, be prepared for the extreme right to push for partition/secession...by ANY possible means (they believe the 2nd Amendment gives them that right).

[meow2u3]

21. Horsey's toon is dead on

http://www.trbimg.com/img-52451893/turbine/la-na-tt-government-by-extortion-20130926-001/600

[yuiyoshida]

43. Here ya go...

[Rstrstx]

23. I've been waiting for Obama/Reid to trot out the old "We don't negotiate with terrorists" line

Of course heads would explode on the other side if they actually came out and said that in public, but meh let 'em

[ConservativeDemocrat]

24. Agreed

...and here's some news from the hinterlands - the GOP knows it as well.

I can tell by how much my Republican friends don't want to talk about this. And the one that did put up a Limbaugh-defense shut up immediately when I asked him this: "We both agree that the answer to more gun-control laws is hell-no, so is it your responsibility if rural aid programs go away when you won't give in to this kind of defunding tactic? Because if we start playing this game, Democrats can play it too."

Dead silence.

I let him go. He's having to think hard.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[hughee99]

28. The president should have asked the outgoing Democratic congress in 2010

to grant him the power to rule by decree for a few years. Then we wouldn't be in this mess.

[Pab Sungenis]

30. The President should have

Knocked off all this "bipartisan" and "negotiation" crap after his first inauguration. It was the third way "bipartisan" bull of his first two years and the sequestration deal after that that let the Republicans know he would cave in for anything.

Now when he's finally grown a spine it may be too late for them to come to grips with reality.

[Rex]

32. You got it cali! You cannot negotiate with terrorists.

The GOP has gone full bore insane.

[Warren DeMontague]

35. They want to shut the gov't down, fine. It worked out just fucking great for them last time.

Same with impeachment, which I'm sure is next.

They're like a fucking guitar with one string.

[napkinz]

38. domestic terror ...

see https://www.facebook.com/NoTeaParty

[roamer65]

41. The ACA had better be enacted and fully funded on schedule.

Lives depend on it.

[WillyT]

44. Economic Terrorists...

And anti-Americans...

& Rec !!!

[napkinz]

45. their leader ---->