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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 07:23 AM Sep 2013

It's Time to Finally Admit We're an Empire

http://www.alternet.org/world/its-time-finally-admit-were-empire



Is America an empire or not? It is a loaded question because in the modern age, that word -- empire -- is not a moniker citizens proudly embrace in the way we might imagine the Ottomans or the Romans did during their reigns. Instead, the word today evokes images of the Death Star. And so we shirk the term's implications and insinuations, much as President Obama did this week at the United Nations.

"The United States has a hard-earned humility when it comes to our ability to determine events inside other countries," he declared in his speech to the General Assembly. "The notion of American empire may be useful propaganda, but it isn't borne out by America's current policy."

The rhetoric sounds nice and it deftly portrays the United States as the sympathetic victim of an international conspiracy. The problem is that it glosses over how current U.S. policies do, in fact, create an imperial footprint.

This is most easy to see when it comes to our military. According to a 2010 report by the Pentagon, the United States has 662 overseas bases in 38 different countries. Additionally, the United States recently invaded and occupied Iraq and Afghanistan and helped invade Libya. It is also prosecuting undeclared wars in Yemen and Pakistan, while propping up dictators in most of the Middle East. Oh, and we are also the world's biggest exporter of weapons and spend more on our military than most of the world combined.
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It's Time to Finally Admit We're an Empire (Original Post) xchrom Sep 2013 OP
. 1917 Sep 2013 #1
IMO, the US is an empire, both the most powerful and the most short-lived in world history. redgreenandblue Sep 2013 #2
Empire by deception.... Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #3
You left out...free-trade deals. Our's is an empire of capitalist imperialism HereSince1628 Sep 2013 #5
Exactly! bvar22 Sep 2013 #9
That is precisely correct. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #12
if it's an empire, they're doing it wrong. KG Sep 2013 #4
In an informal sense, maybe. WatermelonRat Sep 2013 #6
Of course we're an empire. LWolf Sep 2013 #7
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #8
Not an empire. But we do pretty much rule the world. randome Sep 2013 #10
Oxford Dictionary says we are an empire Generic Other Sep 2013 #11
bruhaha soundsgreat Sep 2013 #13
Sure, the US is an empire. joshcryer Sep 2013 #14

redgreenandblue

(2,088 posts)
2. IMO, the US is an empire, both the most powerful and the most short-lived in world history.
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 07:57 AM
Sep 2013

It is like the arc of a regular empire was put on steroids and played in fast-forward. The US empire was a the peak of its power shortly after the second World War, after a short and steep rise of only a few decades. The first real "test of empire", the Korean War, ended with a less-than-victory and it pretty much was down hill from there. The USA, by now, has the power to obliterate the whole planet many times over, but aside from that is almost consistently unable to enforce its own interests in various contested areas of the world.

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
3. Empire by deception....
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 08:44 AM
Sep 2013

Genuine Fly-the-flag colonies with Governors and the requisite civil servants are expensive. And, after WWI, when most thinking persons came to understand that empires mean endless wars, they became unpopular in the home countries.

So....

The game became puppet governments, the illusion of independence, and when necessary, destabilization by covert operations with invasions-to-restore-order as a last resort.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
5. You left out...free-trade deals. Our's is an empire of capitalist imperialism
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 09:14 AM
Sep 2013

The goal is demographic rather than geographic empire, it gives our overlords' empire the strange appearance of being anti-self.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
9. Exactly!
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 11:41 AM
Sep 2013

Thanks for the inclusion.
These "Free Trade" deals make it easier to to bring the Slave Labor loot
pillaged from the local natives back home for the enrichment of our 1% Lords.

WatermelonRat

(340 posts)
6. In an informal sense, maybe.
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 10:06 AM
Sep 2013

It doesn't match the traditional definition of an empire, but these days the term is so abused that trying to define a single academic meaning is pointless.

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randome

(34,845 posts)
10. Not an empire. But we do pretty much rule the world.
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 11:44 AM
Sep 2013

In our economy and military force. And most of the world prefers it that way.
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Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
11. Oxford Dictionary says we are an empire
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 11:55 AM
Sep 2013

"An empire is a state with politico-military dominion of populations who are culturally and ethnically distinct from the imperial (ruling) ethnic group and its culture." So quit lying to yourself. This is what your taxes are bankrupting your nation to pay for.

And me too. Sorry.

I wish I knew what to do about it, how to quit feeding the beast.

joshcryer

(62,271 posts)
14. Sure, the US is an empire.
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 07:07 AM
Sep 2013

What does the rest of the world want to do about it? Oh, right, most countries welcome our bases and aid and even some that don't are happy to turn a blind eye.

Until countries like Pakistan or Yemen start shooting down our drones we'll continue dominating them.

And it will continue to poll high in the American public.

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