2nd Amendment Meme Is About Violent Takeover By The White Supremacist Movement.

[TheMastersNemesis]

The 2nd Amendment argument is really a Trojan Horse because the RW does support a violent takeover in the long term. And the GOP fundamentally supports that option. The silence of the GOP about the RW media hinting at the termination of progressivism, liberalism and anything else it does not agree with says volumes about who the GOP is. Such option might be a last resort but it seems to exist.

When you can't pass any meaningful gun safety regulations without recalls and other sorts of mayhem it is obvious the GOP and RW wants that faction to have any weapon available to them. And in their heart of hearts they really do support violence and intimidation to get their way. I see more and more of the "Don"t Tread On Me" element in the populace. And RW media is more hysterical and threatening by the day. The reaction to Obama care is almost incendiary when you hear the rhetoric of the GOP the last few days.

Their dangerous legislative tactics should be an alarm bell. It is an indication of how far the GOP is willing to go in the end. All I see from the GOP is complete hostility. And I am tired of hearing RW radio hosts suggesting assassination and violence against the opposition without any retort. If a progressive even used half the language of these bullies they would be pulled off the air immediately. Yet the hate and diatribe grows by the day as we approach the implementation of Obamacare.

The question is how the left will react if these fools ever decide to act. The left simply has to understand that we are in more than just a political debate. We are facing an enemy that wants to take away everything including freedom.

My experience as a Vietnam vet causes me to be concerned because of the disposition of this faction. Their true plans are not completely known.

I realize that what I have just said will be controversial. From my point of view there is a very dark side to this movement that we need to at least pay attention to. We have to remember people like McVeigh and others who were right wingers. Danger lurks from more than the just jihadist terrorists. Some of the recent massacres have a RW flavor to them. Even after all these disasters the RW insists on more weaponry and deregulation rather then less.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

1. "it is obvious the GOP and RW wants that faction to have any weapon available to them"

So buy your own damn gun.

And I am tired of hearing RW radio hosts suggesting assassination and violence against the opposition without any retort. If a progressive even used half the language of these bullies they would be pulled off the air immediately.

I see a lot of people here on DU making claims of war, treason, terrorism, hostage-taking, etc. but I'm not aware of any allusions to assassination. Perhaps some examples would help.

The question is how the left will react if these fools ever decide to act. The left simply has to understand that we are in more than just a political debate. We are facing an enemy that wants to take away everything including freedom.

And what do you propose? Rounding-up dissidents? Shutting down broadcast, internet and print media that is not favorable? Arresting opposition party members?

[stevenleser]

2. Right, and the solution to not liking M.A.D. is to buy your own nuke. No thank you.

I want nukes and guns gone.

[stevenleser]

16. No, there are a lot of different kinds of people. People aren't defined by this issue.

That you think they are is probably the beginnings of the problems with your thinking here.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

20. Exclusively within the issue of security my delineation holds true.

Obviously there are many other issues but I was simply confining my discussion to the discussion already begun and to imply otherwise would be disingenuous. If my delineations seem erroneous to you please feel free to offer a different schema.

[WCLinolVir]

71. There are two sorts of people. One gun owner

knows that having a gun and being willing to use it may not protect him, because circumstances dictate. Anything else is just a fantasy and a delusion. And then there are those who think a gun will mean they are protected, and are delusional, IMHO.

[cali]

3. + scads.

Great post, NU.

[G_j]

5. am I crazy, or are you

denying the RW hate machine and it's threats of violence?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

10. A failure to raise the debt ceiling is being called an act of terrorism and treason.

These are extremely serious statements. Terrorism and treason are an acts of war.

The OP is engage in reckless hyperbole. If he were truly convinced this were an act of war he would meet it with countering-force appropriate to war. But he won't. Why? Is it because he's too scared to fight that war (then he's just bloviating in the name of freedom) or is it (more likely) he knows no rational person would follow his calls to arms.

In short, he's a gas-bag.

Sadly, while I readily admit some on the right speak in violent terms the OP and a few others prove that the Left is just as culpable.

[G_j]

12. actually I have not heard of any left wing militias

preparing for civil war.

Calling the Tea Party treasonous is not equivalent.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

15. It's hyperbole.

If it were treason the answer would be to outlaw them and arrest their leaders. But no serious person is suggesting such a thing, only demagogues and the manifestly unhinged.

[G_j]

25. and we call Cheney a war criminal

is that hyperbole?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

38. And some on the RW called us traitors in time of war

is that hyperbole?

(HINT: Yes. Yes, it is.)

[G_j]

40. Then your answer to my question is yes?

Ugh.,

[Nuclear Unicorn]

41. Yes. Yes, it is just hyperbole.

[G_j]

42. Cheney is not a war criminal...

ok...

[Nuclear Unicorn]

44. Then anti-war protesters are traitors...

ok...

[G_j]

45. Bull Shit

not even close!

[Nuclear Unicorn]

52. Who cares? You're running around using Cheney's culpability as some sort of proof

for the OP's disturbed screed. You tossed argument by merit out the window 6 posts ago, so let's just lob non sequitors.

[G_j]

54. you answered my question

that was enough for me.
Have a nice day.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

58. debt ceiling is to treason as Cheney is to war protesters.

The fact remains the OP is just hyperbole. If it wasn't you'd be doing more than just posting a few smilies with a self-satisfied smugness. But you aren't. It's just hyperbole.

[G_j]

65. I was addressing your post

not the OP. I've heard enough to know where you are coming from.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

66. My post was mocking your post. That's why I used your style elipsis, etc.

[G_j]

73. how clever

that fact remains, false equivalency is the latest pile of steaming RW dung.

[nebenaube]

55. Too bad he nails the elephant in the room...

There's a petition going around to designate the GOP as a terrorist organization. They have been using Nazi tactics since 1999. I'm going to go sign it.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

60. And what do you hope happens then?

[Hardlyaround]

61. Nothing is going to happen.

Those types of petitions are nothing more than a waste of electrons and time. Nobody is going to take this seriously, because it's nothing more than something to make some people feel good.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

62. Agreed, but even fantisists have some objective in mind.

Personally, I'm of the opinion if they are questioned about their intentions they will demure. They'll stuff their hands in their pockets, bow their heads and amble off down the road kicking the random stone while muttering how they never get to do anything they want to do.

[Hardlyaround]

69. Very apt description.

I also think that some can point to such a petition and claim that they're doing something for the cause, knowing full well that nothing is going to change based on a worthless petition.

[lunasun]

63. please post it if you can find it

Reichskristallnacht NO reruns

[Nuclear Unicorn]

67. And what would you want to see happen based on this silly petition?

[EX500rider]

104. "They have been using Nazi tactics since 1999"

Wow, i missed the whole Kristallnacht thing and where they burned the Capitol Building (Reichstag) and set up concentration camps and called for Lebensraum and a Final Solution...

[nebenaube]

106. welcome to iggy land.

[Puzzledtraveller]

6. Once again,

the mind is boggled. We attack their hysteria with our own. The gates are open because people are losing their minds and sense of proportion. Come to our side we say, because we are just as hyperbolic and sensational!

[7962]

30. "recent massacres have a RW flavor to them"? Huh? The Navy yard shooter was a rightwinger?

The guy who shot Gabby Giffords? The Newtown guy? The Va Tech shooter? I think there's equal amounts of nut jobs on BOTH sides. The Kansas professor who called for the deaths of the NRA presidents children? And STILL has a job. Right-wing? Check out Twitter and the calls for assassinations of NRA members on there!
Gimme a break

[Hoyt]

39. The guys in these photos damn sure are right wing, and there are a lot like this.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

43. .

[Hoyt]

49. That video is a favorite of the right wing gun crowd.

They also claim gun rights are equivalent to the Civil Rights Movement. My response got me banned from a Facebook gun bumpers page.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

51. "That video is a favorite of the right wing gun crowd."

How can that be if they're all racists?

[Hoyt]

53. You are joking, I hope? Never know with the gun supporters.

[WCLinolVir]

64. Yes-these gun humpers are so well represented

in numerous civil rights organizations. Uh
huh. Oh that's right. They aren't. Reminds me of the fraudulent land sales where a sprinkling of gold would seal the deal. They so want to believe that they can't see reality.
Maybe you need to, hence the anger.

[7962]

94. And they've massacred HOW many?

[backscatter712]

109. In Germany, they'll jail you for showing a swastika.

Germany has strong human rights protections, but with a caveat that came from denazification policies after WWII.

Their rule, which is in the German Constitution (the Basic Law) is that you cannot use your civil and political rights to work to take those same rights from others. Hence the legal justification for a total ban on the Nazi party and its symbols.

[jwirr]

4. Yes and unfortunately many gun owners who are merely do not want lose the right to own a gun

fall for their fear mongering without ever realizing that it is about white supremacy.

[TheMastersNemesis]

8. I Was Behind A Truck Yesterday - Bumper Stickers Were Very Obvious About Supporting Shooting The

opposition. One sticker said "Gun Control Means Using Both Hands". Look liked a young thirty something white supremacist driving it
That is why one has to be careful about some of these extremists. If I live across the street from this person and put out Dems signs I would have to hire a security guard for my dog and property. They will retaliate for even speaking out. Why do you think they want to carry their guns everywhere?.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

11. "One sticker said "Gun Control Means Using Both Hands". Look liked a young thirty something white

supremacist driving it"

Seek help. That's not snark; that's a genuine appeal.

[7962]

31. Because the bumper sticker obviously mentioned racial superiority. Oh wait, it didnt.

[oldhippie]

46. And was "... Very Obvious About Supporting Shooting The opposition." ...

... except it wasn't.

Yup, the poster needs help.

[cherokeeprogressive]

26. What make/model truck was he driving?

I mean physical appearance is one thing, but when they're driving that truck, it's like a blinking neon sign right?

If those fuckers only knew how easy they were to spot...

[Boom Sound 416]

70. It was either Ice Cube or NWA had those lyrics about 20 or so years ago

[upaloopa]

9. You make no sense. Just try and imagine people

going around shooting people because they disagree with their politics. How will that benefit the shooter? The GOP is going to give them a get out of jail free card?
What is really going on is sons of racists from the 50's and 60's are still living their parents fear and hatred. They rant and rave on the social medias and sites like freeperville but they know this isn't the Jim Crow south anymore.
Having an African American president has given them cause to openly say what is in their hearts because they hear others doing the same thing.
People like the Kochs use this to get people to vote against their best interests and for the 1%'s benefit.
Basically these people live in an echo chamber. They listen to the right wing racist shit on FOX and conservative talk radio thinking that the people they hear are on their side when actually they are being played for dupes.
We are not on the verge of a new civil war. There will be single incidents of violence caused by these kooks but it is not a large conspiracy by supporters of the second amendment.

[el_bryanto]

13. We should round up all the 2nd amendment supporters and put them in camps. Then we'll be safe

I think we should start with those who support gun ownership right here at DU. I mean the right wing crazies - they are visible. We know who they are. We know how dangerous they are. But a DU Gun Owner? Someone who pretends to support liberal policies while quietly supporting Violent Takeover by the White Supremacist Movement? They are the real danger, because we don't know really know what they are after. Their true plans are not completely known. And thus they are the most threatening.

Bryant

[Nuclear Unicorn]

17. You forget the sarcasm thingy.

[el_bryanto]

18. If you have to underline the joke, the jokes not worth making.

I do know it confuses some people though.

Bryant

[LanternWaste]

50. More often the case than not.

"... the jokes not worth making."

More often the case than not, regardless of how we may attribute confusion to others.

[el_bryanto]

84. I'd like to think I have a better track record than that.

But if I've offended you, I apologize.

Bryant

[Eleanors38]

19. My goodness, el Bryanto, tone down the shout-show rhetoric...

"...we become our own enemy in the instant that we preach." -- Bob Dylan

wow.

[Upward]

95. That's Going to Be Difficult

They're the ones with the guns.

[CrispyQ]

14. Hmmm...

The question is how the left will react if these fools ever decide to act. The left simply has to understand that we are in more than just a political debate. We are facing an enemy that wants to take away everything including freedom.

I think the left fully understands this & it is the centrists in the party who do not.

[Eleanors38]

27. I agree. The RW tilted its hand long ago: They want permanent power....

by any means necessary. The best way to counter the threat is to move our Party to the left, and work to regain popular support for economic justice. And leave the Second Amendment alone.

Otherwise, we continue to whine about their jelly-belly bully tactics; they really can cow us with a handful of hate mongers, and that is in large measure our fault.

[CrispyQ]

32. IMO, the democratic party looks weak & it has ever since it backed down

from a two bit actor-politician poking fun at the word liberal. Dem leadership should have stood proud & said, "Hell yes we're liberal & here's why!" & then cited that Joe Conservative essay. Instead, they backed down from the word & the policies & hopped on the corporate gravy train. If they would take a sharp turn to the left, tell their corporate 'sponsors' "Fuck off. We answer to the People," they would see a lot of apathetic voters take to the polls again & maybe they wouldn't need any corporate cash to win the election. Then maybe they would address electronic voting. Oh my, it's such a mess & I don't see either of those things happening.








In the first cartoon, I feel Obama is really just an icon for the entire dem party.

[Eleanors38]

82. Reminds me of that scene from the Hustler when Newman complained to George C. Scott...

about his never moving from his seat. Scott nods, rises, moves his chair one inch, and resumes sitting.

[DragonBorn]

21. Oh come on

I've heard every slander under the sun now. 2nd Amendment supporters want children to die, they want to make gun manufacturers rich, they just want to be able to shoot anyone they disagree with, and now its their all white supremacist?

Please tell me how I as a minority am part of this white supremacist movement?

I've been shooting for over 10 years now and the only racist situation I've ever been in was walking past the Nazi memorabilia table at a gun show. Yes they had a table with Nazi memorabilia, no I really didn't care it wasn't getting very much traffic. There are definitely racists in the 2nd Amendment crowd but you could say that about any large group of people. There are racist in the clergy, boy scouts, the government, everywhere! But just because their is a small group of idiots within a larger group does not give you the right to label the entire group as racists.

It detracts from actual racism. It gives fuel to people who like to counter every claim or racism with the sarcastic "Their pulling the race card again"

Well sir you are pulling the race card and it is not warranted. If your seriously claiming a majority of 2nd Amendment supports are racists, provide proof. My experiences do not meet your allegations.

[billh58]

24. Long nap?

n/t

[Eleanors38]

83. DragonBorn nailed it; impressive doing it in his sleep. nt

[7962]

35. Well said.

[The Straight Story]

48. About the Nazi stuff at some gun shows

While there are some folks who go the whole 'support nazism route' there are more than a few who collect WW2 era rifles and guns for their collection and there are, from what I have seen, often more than just Nazi flags/memorabilia at such gatherings. Germany was the big dog though in WW2 followed by Japan and Russia for collectibles (Since our folks weren't fighting the russians you generally see less displayed for such collecting).

Add to this how some folks feel about the US (pride, patriotism, etc) and their views on the big war with the Nazi's (they see it as one of America's finest hours in war history) and it is no wonder that collectors seek out such things that reflect that (war, military, guns, flags, lapel pins, daggers, maps, all tend to tie in together).

I always wanted a retro room with old radios and WW2 stuff (kind of like a restaurant here in Ohio called 94th Aero Squadron although it covers ww1).

Again, yes I am sure there are some nazi loving rw jackholes out there, but most of the folks really do collect and trade such things and have a love of history. But, of course, one of the things they collect being guns I am sure some folks would view them all as crazy killers ready to run around with their whole collection shooting up people while waving a nazi flag around

You may often see such things as this:

[DragonBorn]

79. You are 100% correct.

I didnt mean to insinuate that the seller or the buyers of the Nazi memorabelia were racists. I was just saying that is the closest in 10 years of shooting that I ever felt slightly uncomfortable. That table did have plenty of other WWII memorabelia, unit patches and what not. I breifly looked over the table but moved along fairly quickly.

I mean heck, I own a copy of Mein Kampf but I'm not a racist. Just because you own some Nazi memorabelia doesn't make you a racist or else we'd be calling all the veteran of WWII who actually fought and killed Nazi's racist for bringing back suvonier lugers, bayonettes, and flags with swasticas on them. The Nazi's where a dark chapter in our worlds history and probably the closest thing we'll ever get to a comic book level evil regime. Its not very hard to imagine why they have lingered in our collective memory so long and why people are still facinated by them.

[Orsino]

78. It's the power thing.

Gather white men together in a guns=freedom context, and you'll run across more than a hint of racism. It's swamped by gun=penis thing, of course, but let's not pretend that minorities are well-represented in this movement.

[DragonBorn]

80. We're not well represented but where making strides!

Last time couple of times I went to the gun store I ran into black guys one being NYPD either buying a new pistols. There's a black range officer at Blue Mountain Sportsman Center, and I've seen more minorities and women shooting lately.

There are many reasons why blacks arn't a large part of shooting sports lack of disposable income, not a family tradition, probably lives in a city with usually stricter gun laws, and the fact that we are minorities. Just based on numbers alone their will always be less minorities than whites in shooting sports (Because we're minorities! There's less of us.)

How many gathering of firearms owners have you been to? I've been to ranges, gun shows, and competitions and I've never caught a hint of racism. Could you be specific?

[Orsino]

100. Pardon my skepticism. n/t

[DragonBorn]

107. Do you have much contact with shooting sports? Gun shows, the range, gun shops, competitions?

So how do you go about making these assumptions? It would be like me trying to describe Tahir Square in Egypt. I've never been there but would it be fair of me to claim its populated completly by rapists because thats what I hear?

I mean heck I'm a minority so thats +1 but next thing you know, I'll be accused of being secretly white because I'm pro 2nd Amendment.

Try to look past your preconceptions.

[Orsino]

108. Sport shooting enthusiasts do overlap a bit with the movement.

Yet even among those I know, there is more than a hint of racism.

As to one of your other suggestions, it is an interesting one.

[Eleanors38]

22. You present a quandry, MasterN. Either you slough off

the rhetoric of the foaming RW, viewing the credibility of their threats as akin to "conspiracy theory," or treat the threat with legitimate concern as Socialist Party leader Eugene V. Debs did. Prudence would suggest keeping an eye on the Far Right to see if they do something more than nut hustlin', and avail yourself of means of self-defense if some of the punks decides to act out. No sense getting worked up beyond this, except to move the Democratic Party more to the hard-hitting left.

Google Debs Second Amendment, or Hubert Humphrey Second Amendment. See what they have to say. Stay cool.

[billh58]

23. K&R

I agree that it is the right-wingers who make up most of the racist and white-supremacy contingent in this country, and that they are armed and dangerous.

My concern, however, is for the Liberals who have been taken in by the NRA's fear mongering and lies about "the Democrats are coming for your guns." This very vocal minority aids and abets the NRA and the Koch Brothers with their resistance to any sort of meaningful gun control legislation, and permits the continued "private sale" of lethal weapons to criminals and the mentally ill.

[Eleanors38]

28. I've had guns since before some Coke Bros & the NRA decided to

"take in" liberals. You are worried about deck chair arrangement on the Titanic.

[DragonBorn]

29. I actually agree with part of your statement

I agree that it is the right-wingers who make up most of the racist and white-supremacy contingent in this country

I agree with that, but the question is what percentage of the Right wing is racist? I'd peg the number at about 5% of the party. A minority so insignificate their not worth worring about.

My concern, however, is for the Liberals who have been taken in by the NRA's fear mongering and lies about "the Democrats are coming for your guns.

Well . . . The problem with this is that their is some truth to this. Just look at NY's new law that was passed within weeks of Newtown without any debate. Bans AR-15's the most common rifle in america today, makes you destroy any magazine you have that can hold more than 10 rounds without due compensation, if you have a 10 round magazine your able to keep it but if you load more than 8 rounds you are now considered a felon, you cannot buy any magazines that hold more than 8 rounds. It was passed so quickly that there was no exemption for police officers at first, talk about well thought out.

Now tell me how its right that I am unable to get anymore magazines for my Ruger 10/22 because they don't come smaller than 10 rounds. Its a 50 year old .22 rifle that has now pretty much been defacto been declared as illegal, because it can't function without a magazine, and you can't by anymore magazines.

Please tell me how that is "reasonable".

[G_j]

36. 5%?

wow..

[DragonBorn]

47. Do you know any republicans?

I know a few and their not racist, they just don't like the democratic party. How about you tell me how many racist their are within the republican party, 8%, 10%, 15%, 25%?

I feel like your basing your insinuations on the caricature of the racist KKK hooded republican, sure they exist but theres not even a significatant minority of the party. There are people who don't agree with the democratic party based on other ideas, to label them simply as racist is lazy and only helps to further the divide in this country.

[Enthusiast]

99. I can't name a Republican that I know, that is not a racist.

But they often don't recognize they are racists.

[Hoyt]

59. 5%? That is laughable, at least in the red states, and likely elsewhere.

[DragonBorn]

81. Please enlighten us.

I was talking about 5% of the entire republican party being racist across the country. Nothing was area specific, I would imagine that different areas would have different concentrations. Since you appear to know better please tell me what percentage of the republican party is racist. 10%, 15%, 25%?

How do you know this? Anything resembling a source? KKK member lists? Stormfront mailing lists? Anything to support your allegation.

Based off the 2012 popular election results 60M people vote for Romney, 5% of 60M is 3M. That would seem about right in a country of 300M. Do you have anything to add? Just because they disagree with your political affiliation doesn't mean their racist, some of my extended family is republicans, are you telling me their secretly racists or are they part of the "good" percentage?

[blueridge3210]

87. Sources

Hoyt doesn't need sources, he has "truth" on his side. Claims to live in GA (probably true based on some geographic markers he's mentioned) and sees racists, bigots and general ne'er do wells behind every tree and bush. Likely a case of seeing what you look for and not much else.

[Hoyt]

89. I thought it was the gun cultists who see boogeymen behind every tree.

There are plenty of bigots here, how do you think Republicans have taken power?

[blueridge3210]

90. You appear to have thought wrong

Even when Democrats ran state government they were of a conservative variety. (See Zell Miller) Perdue beat Roy Barnes as much because teacher's "sat out" the election over the issue of teacher tenure.

[Hoyt]

91. The Dixiecrats were definitely racists, and today they belong to Republican Party.

[7962]

37. Because the soundbite is that if you're anti-Obama, you are therefore a racist

The few people I know who voted for romney are not racists. In the beginning they were terrified of the Hillary presidency. They just dont like democrat policy, even if it actually would benefit THEM. But I know them well, and I know they are not racists.

[WCLinolVir]

74. They voted for Romney.

[Eleanors38]

86. Read some of the NSA-oriented threads, and you'd think half of DU was anti-Obama.

[7962]

92. HA! Good point!

[7962]

93. Yes, I said that. And?

[Kingofalldems]

110. Democrat policy you say?

It's Democratic policy. I get it.

[rrneck]

33. Well, looks like you've got it all there,

an evil villain behind a gigantic conspiracy intent on the destruction of our way of life. Wow, you can even see into their "heart of hearts" and know how they feel. Nice work.

You should write a book. Make sure you get a lot of flames on the cover. They sell better with flames.

[Dreamer Tatum]

34. Another post full of hyperbole and bereft of facts. nt

[villager]

56. This has always been the unspoken aspect to it, and NRA-regurgitators are but quislings who abet...

...that goal...

[lunasun]

68. You saw the 1st comment -"then buy your own gun"

[Nuclear Unicorn]

72. OKay, so start a civil war and stay unarmed.

[WCLinolVir]

75. ???

[Nuclear Unicorn]

77. So many people are certain they need to start a civil war by destroying the political process

and demanding political opposition be treated like armed invaders but yet they insist on remaining unarmed. Does this make sense?

[WCLinolVir]

88. NT.

[Jamastiene]

57. K&R

That is EXACTLY how those types think. I live in one of the worst areas for white supremacist groups. That is exactly how they are thinking. They even put professors in colleges to teach things they believe are good, like eugenics. They have been quietly doing a shadow takeover of so many aspects of the government and other public institutions for years and no one is doing anything to stop them. It's about time more people open their eyes and see the truth no matter how far fetched they think it is. If they would read more about it at the SPLC web site they would start to put two and two together and realize just how widespread these types of practices are by these white supremacist groups. It is unconscionable what those groups are getting away with.

[Orsino]

76. Or it's simply a hedge against male menopause...

...and feelings of insecurity in an ever more pluralistic society.

I won't minimize the danger of armed freaks for who violent revolution is or may be more than talk, but the movement at large? Lazy, formerly entitled dumbasses who couldn't be bothered to lift the couch cushion to get the last Cheeto.

[PowerToThePeople]

85. I agree completely. Mass murder is their end-game. Or slavery.

If the "others" will not become (or be willing to stay) economic slaves they will try to kill them off.

[gopiscrap]

96. yup I agree

[cherokeeprogressive]

97. The 2A isn't a "meme", and it's not an "argument". It's settled law. PBO said as much.

President Obama said the Second Amendment guarantees an INDIVIDUAL right to possess firearms.

You can argue about what comes before the fucking comma until the sun ceases to shine and until you're blue in the face and until you puke and until you choke: "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Critical thinking... hmmm?

[TheMastersNemesis]

98. BTW Way The Right To Bear Arms Anywhere You Want With Any Weapon IS NOT SETTLED

One may bear arms but where and what kind can be restricted by law. Like anything gun safety laws are constitutional.

[ileus]

101. The 2A is a civil right.

It's a right afforded to all of us, it shouldn't be about guns, but about life, and retaining our ability to defend ourselves and our families. Now is not a time to be regressive on the 2A, we need to take momentum away from the Right and show them we're progressive on all issues.

[raging moderate]

102. Some white racists keep their mouths shut around strong Black men.

Many years ago, my husband took a job at a rural Midwestern cottage-cheese factory. After his first day of work, he talked about his new coworkers. He mentioned briefly that they hadn't made one racist joke or crack. Telling me about his new coworkers, one by one, he eventually described a huge, courteous, genial, energetic, well-muscled Black guy. Two days later, that Black guy quit. Within a week, the N-word jokes and cracks were making my husband's work life unbearable. Both of our mothers had raised us better than that. Oh dear Dragonborn, you sound so very fine and noble and goodhearted. Please be careful in these groups who sound so nonracist. Sometimes, some of these guys may talk differently when you are not around. Please watch your back.

[bunnies]

105. Hell of a first post Abel.

Your motives are obvious.