Lakota and Dakota grandmothers capture the Nazi flag hanging in Leith, ND and burn it.

[rug]

Lakota and Dakota grandmothers captured the Nazi flag hanging in Leith, ND and burned it. Warriors!

http://lastrealindians.tumblr.com/post/62160690455/lakota-and-dakota-grandmothers-captured-the-nazi

[ismnotwasm]

1. Right fucking on

A big K&R

[Baitball Blogger]

63. Debra Morgan lives!

[Turbineguy]

2. Hmmm.....

I guess now the Nazis will have to burn some books.

[lpbk2713]

3. WTG Grannies.

[morningfog]

4. This is awesome, made my day.

[morningfog]

5. I'd like to read more on this story, if anyone has more. I'm going to look myself.

[rug]

7. Yes, please, I couldn't find more.

I'd like to see the video of the burning.

[morningfog]

9. Here is some background:

Neo-Nazis Try to Take Over Leith, ND; Hundreds Protest
Gale Courey Toensing
September 22, 2013

By mid-afternoon on Sunday, September 22, Last Real Indians, reported on its Facebook page, “White supremacists have raised their flag over the town of Leith, ND.”

The news came as hundreds of Native Americans and others flocked to the tiny North Dakota town of Leith, population 24, to protest a group of American neo-Nazis who plan to take over the town and make it “an all-white enclave,” according to Political Blindspot.

UnityND, a group that formed in protest to the proposed extremist, neo-Nazi takeover, reported at around 2 p.m. that a caravan of protesters was on its way, including at least 25 cars, a bus and a van. “Plus more coming from the Tribes,” the site tweeted. Live streaming by Unedited Media showed what looked like several hundred people participating in the protest that began around 3 p.m.

The neo-Nazi invasion of Leith was announced in the Bismarck Tribune in a September 6 story about Craig Cobb, a white supremacist who has been living in Leith for more than a year and has purchased 13 lots, some for as little as $500, including one where he lived. He has been promoting Leith on white supremacist websites as a place where others like him could live, take over the city government and fly Nazi flags, the Tribune reported.

Read more at http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2013/09/22/hundreds-protest-attempted-neo-nazi-takeover-leith-nd-151394

[rug]

15. Thanks!

[hopemountain]

55. thanks for the link nt

[Ellipsis]

10. lots here

http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2013/09/22/hundreds-protest-attempted-neo-nazi-takeover-leith-nd-151394

[rug]

14. '“Our grandmothers will stand up to you! Our women will take you on!” one speaker said."'

[frogmarch]

53. One of the comments there:

o m g...and yet once more we hear from crazed left-wing WHITE people who are, indeed, taking the 'last stand' from the 'mud' people slowly but surely encroaching on the last bastions of 'euro centricity' left in 'america'...actually just another form of 'terrorism' perpetuated by the race that resents it so in other races...
Read more at http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2013/09/22/hundreds-protest-attempted-neo-nazi-takeover-leith-nd-151394

Nazis are left-wing?

[BillyRibs]

75. The MEME is because Hitler was a economic Keynesian!

This a stretch for the right wing at best. at worst it's a groin pull!

[kestrel91316]

77. Uneducated RWers see that the official name of the Nazis was the National Socialist Party,

and they actually think it has something to do with socialism and leftism. (headdesk)

Of course they wouldn't recognize FASCISM if it came up and bit them in the ass.

[Beartracks]

81. Remember the chilling Nazi imagery in The Lion King?

The hyenas were presented as goose-stepping Nazis marching in formation as the kingdom burned under Scar's rule. And yet... Rush Limbaugh and others compared the hyenas to liberals (or, rather, their idea of liberals), thuggishly taking over because they expected to get everything for free from the totalitarian state.



So, yeah, I can see how some deluded conservatives would still try to make that connection...

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[WCLinolVir]

136. Love your sig line images.

Where did the one with the teabag come from? I see a t-shirt in my future.

[Beartracks]

164. Hey, thanks very much! And it *is* on a t-shirt!

Hi, WCLinolVir! I'm glad you like it. I have a Zazzle shop where I sell some political gear and other original designs. You can click the sig image to go there. Those three images are in the Politics section of the shop.

And the quote on the teabag tee is my own.



P.S. Zazzle recently re-did the layout of their store pages, so all design category icons won't necessarily show up in the Politics section. You can click "see more" in the left sidebar to list them all; but here's a link straight to the teabag tees: Tea Puppets

But please feel free to click the sidebar, too, and poke around the shop and see what else we have. I love DU visitors!


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[riverwalker]

24. lots more pics here

Neo-Nazis Trying to Take Over North Dakota Town Sent Running by Native American and Anti-Fascist Activists

http://politicalblindspot.com/neo-nazis-trying-to-take-over-north-dakota-town-sent-running-by-native-american-and-anti-fascist-activists/#.Uj5IZuFF5A4.twitter

[morningfog]

36. Thank you!

What a story. I hadn't heard of it until seeing this OP.

[riverwalker]

33. the only videos I could find

[rug]

59. Thanks for the videos. I couldn't find any.

I had never heard of that news channel. According to wiki, it's two years old and based in the Ukraine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_News_One

[hopemountain]

47. aljazeera had a story a couple of

days ago.

[Cracklin Charlie]

57. Sounds like a great movie.

Love to the Grannies!

[Coyotl]

101. Here is the OP where I posted this OP: Neo-Nazis Trying to Take Over North Dakota Town Sent Running

I posted this news this morning here:

Neo-Nazis Trying to Take Over North Dakota Town Sent Running by Native American and Anti-Fascist Act
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023720034

Good to see someone else give it the OP treatment.

[Cha]

6. YES!

[Hayabusa]

8. Those are some badass grannies!

Their father may have fought Hitler, their great-great grandfather may have fought for their freedom, and these ladies carry on the tradition of their ancestors!

[MisterP]

11. NAVAL neo-Nazis?!

[MNBrewer]

28. the North Dakota U-boat fleet.

[Scootaloo]

38. Surely you can see why a North Dakota Nazi Colony needs a navy!

(the punchline is inbreeding)

[Eleanors38]

41. Nazis can't be CHARGED with having DEPTH.

[Dawson Leery]

12. BURN IT IN PUBLIC!

[yuiyoshida]

13. Tis awesome!!

[Brigid]

16. Ladies,

[Taverner]

17. Too bad they didn't burn Metzger

I really do hope he dies a horrible, painful death just like the people he killed and just like his hero Mengele

[rug]

18. Heh, how's the pacifist group coming along?

[aikoaiko]

20. LOL

[Taverner]

21. LOL

I hate very few people. But Metzger? The American Hitler?

He is pure, unadulterated evil

Not 99% evil, but 100%

Several Ethiopian and Eritrean immigrants are dead because of him, and yet that bastard walks

[JI7]

87. and many innocents are dead because Assad targeted them for killing

[Nye Bevan]

34. .

[newfie11]

19. WOOHOO go ladies!!!!!!!

AWESOME!!!

[dhill926]

22. oh, hell yeah!!!!

[Ohio Joe]

23. K&R - nt

[sarge43]

25. Don't anger grandmothers

They go ugly early

Thank you ladies

[FredStembottom]

26. Go, Grannies. Go, Grannies...

Go, Grannies, go!

[DinahMoeHum]

27. If they get another flag, they should use it as a toilet.

Then, they can give it back to the white supremacists.

[47of74]

49. Sounds good to me.

[zeemike]

29. And who better to do it than Native Americans.

After all Hitler stole their sacred symbol and used it for evil purposes.
And Native American women have a tradition of being as brave or braver than the men...so it does not surprise me that they were the ones that did it.

[kestrel91316]

79. Error: the swastika is an adaptation of the ancient DOT Indian symbol,

and has nothing to do with FEATHER Indians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

[zeemike]

89. Not so...See The Book of Hopi.

It is the symbol of the migration in their history of their people...

The swastika motif was used by some Native American groups. It has been found in excavations of Mississippian-era sites in the Ohio and Mississippi River valleys. It is frequently used as a motif on objects associated with the Southeastern Ceremonial Complex (S.E.C.C.). It was also widely used by many southwestern tribes, most notably the Navajo. Among various tribes, the swastika carried different meanings. To the Hopi it represented the wandering Hopi clan; to the Navajo it was one symbol for a whirling log (tsil no'oli), a sacred image representing a legend that was used in healing rituals.[64] A brightly colored First Nations saddle featuring swastika designs is on display at the Royal Saskatchewan Museum in Canada.[65]

[kestrel91316]

153. Well that's fascinating, and I stand corrected!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

158. native americans might have used the symbol but hitler adopted this version from india

including the word swastika, which is a derivative of a sanskrit word

[LibertyLover]

140. My mom has a silver and turquoise Navaho bracelet

she bought prior to World War 2 that has swastikas on it. So, yeah, the swastika is found among North American Indian tribes. Your wiki post even mentions its use among the Navaho and the Hopi.

[dbackjon]

142. You are incorrect

Heck - Arizona road signs used to have it on it in deference to the tribes that used it as a symbol

[Half-Century Man]

30. INIHANYAN UNCI

I hope I got that right.

That rag always looks best on fire.

[Duval]

31. Totally awesome! n/t

[lame54]

32. That's a terrible pic...

out of context it looks like they are celebrating the flag

[Nye Bevan]

35. Yeah, and the one in the gray shirt almost looks like she's doing a Nazi salute! (nt)

[morningfog]

39. She looks like she is incredibly over-joyed to run the racist fucks out of the town.

[morningfog]

37. But, with context it makes it an awesome pic.

[H2O Man]

72. Or they might

be ALIENS!!!!!!!!


????????

[southmost]

151. illegal ones

they do look mexican afterall

*sarcasm

[gopiscrap]

40. Excellent

[TheDeputy]

42. I disapprove of theft.

Would you all be celebrating if the Nazis stole the Tribal flag? Theft is theft.

[dorkzilla]

43. I'm afraid you're not kidding

You can't/don't see the difference? Holy shit.

[hopemountain]

48. taunt taunt taunt

right back at you

[Downwinder]

51. It was not stolen, it was captured.

US military would say liberated.

[rug]

60. I disapprove of Nazis.

Nazis are Nazis.

[Gravitycollapse]

65. I support almost any tactics necessary to stop neo-Nazi infiltration.

And that includes theft of their flags.

Want my sympathy? Stop being a Nazi. It's that simple.

[H2O Man]

71. As the ear of the elk

ceases to seek the heart of the cabbage, so doth the honk of the gander beckon the turtle from its shell.

PS: How's the weather?

[NBachers]

109. I was just going to write that. You beat me to it.

[H2O Man]

112. It's not too late.

In times like these (or, unlike) we should recall that it is said of elk feathers as it is unsaid of oak waters: to bring down the reign of egg is to pass over the hair.

[NBachers]

113. Didn't the original version say "hare," not "hair?"

As we all know, the antler settling into the earth becomes the kingdom of the salamander's dynasty in the land of the glass pinecones.

[sagat]

78. Always gotta be one.

[socialist_n_TN]

82. Nazis deserve NOTHING.........

No consideration, no nothing. They needed to be shouted down and driven out of every town they live in.

[kestrel91316]

83. All Nazi symbols should be forcibly taken from those who possess them with pride

and burned. And the folks who were so proud to possess them should be glad they aren't burned too.

Fuck anybody who sympathizes in any way with Nazism or Neo-Nazis.

[Gore1FL]

84. FWIW, I agree.

While I share a bit of amusement at the thought of the "heist," the perpetrators, and the victims with my fellow DUers, there is something fundamentally wrong with theft and vandalism.

While the action wasn't warranted, I would agree that is was provoked; that doesn't justify the action, but perhaps explains it.

In the end, everyone on this thread agrees on at least one thing: Fuck Craig Cobb.

[seabeyond]

90. I do too. When a father steals a loaf of bread to feed hungry children that have no food...

Theft is theft after all. Right?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

93. WTF?

[WCLinolVir]

137. LOL-We just call it hanging laundry.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

94. I disapprove of Nazis. We killed the real ones. We can burn the flags of the fake ones.

Fuck 'em if they don't like it.

[Zorra]

100. Then maybe you could petition the government to give Paha Sapa back to Lakota Grandmothers.

Mitakuye Oyasin

[uppityperson]

117. +++++++++++++++

[hrmjustin]

102. Wow this is rather revealing.

[backscatter712]

127. Fuck them. They're fucking scum. I'll gleefully violate the rights of Nazis. n/t

[Ganja Ninja]

133. Tough Rocks!

Fuck every last stinking Nazi on the face of the earth.

[TacoD]

148. I would say "I disapprove of your presence on DU," but looks like admin has already said it. (nt)

[Iggo]

154. Fuck nazi scum.

[lumberjack_jeff]

156. The punishment should suit the crime. They should promise to not do it again today. n/t

... cuz' you just never know.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

159. LOL.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

44. Just a couple of miles from my home, on an otherwise very convenient route, hangs

a confederate flag on the outside of one of someone's upstairs windows. Lately the bottom edge is getting frayed, but it can't disintegrate soon enough for me. I have daydreams of shooting it with a flaming arrow.

[rug]

61. The outpouring of protest in this apparently conservative area is encouraging.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

69. Oh, there you go, looking at the bright side again.

[rug]

74. I can't help it. I'm an inveterate people-pleaser.

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[BlueJazz]

45. I don't agree with what they did. theft is theft.

[think]

58. The Black Hills. Now there's some theft for you..... /nt

[rug]

64. Not to mention the better part of fifteen states.

Not counting east of the Mississippi

[Gore1FL]

86. Are they allowed to steal anything, then

or just the flags of bigots?

[H2O Man]

97. They likely

sell food stamps, too. If the USA only had stronger immigration policies, we wouldn't have this problem.

[Gore1FL]

107. I think we might have to back date that to Pre-USA!!

[think]

135. The US Govt or these grandmas?

[Gore1FL]

146. The grandmas

We've already established that the U.S. committed a crime. The implication of the post that I responded to was that it was OK for a person to commit crimes if a crime was committed against them.

I am unclear if this means it is OK for them to commit any crime, or if there is a "line" where somethings are still considered illegal for them.

[think]

147. The Grannies should give back the flag and the US

should give back the land......

[Gore1FL]

155. OK.

You make the arrangements, and I'll bring a cake to the ceremony.

[Gravitycollapse]

67. Theft is theft. You are correct. But not all theft is immoral.

[BlueJazz]

98. Oh..I'm sure not broken up about it and even if something like that went...

...to court, they would have to either give back the...ah..flag-thing or in this case buy another plus a fine of one dollar.

[H2O Man]

70. legalize Lonnie Anderson's hair

[DisgustipatedinCA]

95. These Neo-Nazis are fortunate to be alive.

There are still people left in the world who remember what the Nazis did--the real Nazis. There are even more people who are students of history and also understand what the Nazis did (if not as viscerally as those who lived through Hitler's reign). Nazis are to be stood against a wall and shot. These clueless redneck punks are fortunate that not many take their chosen namesake seriously. Their lives would be forfeit if that were the case.

[Gravitycollapse]

104. "Nazis are to be stood against a wall and shot." - That would require the murder...

of most of the German population at the time.

There is a marked difference between the complicity of the population in the build up of the Nazi party, often due to compulsory party participation, and the party leadership. Even the common Nazi soldiers are generally not considered to be wholly complicit in the atrocities of the regime.

[dionysus]

108. i'd guess he meant the leadership, myself. the Wehrmacht weren't the SS.

[NBachers]

111. Your post shook this picture loose from my memory banks:

http://www.reddit.com/r/PerfectTiming/comments/1ald1p/a_woman_hitting_a_neonazi_with_her_handbag_in/

"The women on the picture was herself a young victim from the Nazis during the war. It's not hard to understand her anger over today's Neo-Nazism. Yet she and several others got accused for the fights - they had after all used violence and tried to prevent an demonstration."

Yes, it's not nice to hit people. But good for her!

[JI7]

114. there are different degrees of how bad theft can be

i wouldn't be things like a hungry kid stealing a piece of bread and stealing and burning a nazi flag to be on the same level as many other cases of theft.

[BlueJazz]

115. I agree...look at my post #98

[Coyotl]

143. It is O.K. for USG to steal the Dakotas from the Natives, but Lakotas can't steal a flag?

If the law prevailed in the USA, they would have to give several states back to the Lakota Nations!!

[Coyotl]

120. It's their Nation. Who are you to impose your rules.

Take a look at the map of the treaty the USA signed. Leigh, ND is Indian Country. Oh, wait, you say. But, theft is theft!

[BlueJazz]

129. Read post # 98

[theHandpuppet]

130. +1000!

Some of the hypocrisy I've read here truly astounds.

[backscatter712]

128. Fuck 'em. I'll gleefully violate the rights of Nazis. n/t

[BlueJazz]

131. I understand and certainly don't think less of anybody that does.

Just because I feel what they did was slightly wrong doesn't make it a Big-Deal moral thing.

[Rebellious Republican]

46. I would lay money down that these grandmothers remember their fathers....

Who served with distinction in world war two...... maybe not Sioux but the sentiment is there.

[hopemountain]

50. brave grannies

warriors through and through

[heaven05]

52. don't mess with grandma!!!!

they could be in my foxhole anytime.

[GentryDixon]

54. Way to go Ladies.

[Taverner]

56. Patriotism. It comes in all flavors.

[roguevalley]

62. now that is how its done. GO!

[zappaman]

66. Giant REC! n/t

[etherealtruth]

68. Grandmothers should rule the world

Wonderful women!

[H2O Man]

73. Recommended!

And the "that's THEFT" comments on this thread are a giggle! Comic genius.

[colsohlibgal]

76. That Made My Day!

We must savor all victories over hate filled losers. These ladies rock big time and did us all a favor.

How nice it will be if the live and let live/do unto others people ever win the day overall.

[jwirr]

80. Thank you. These ladies are truely warriors. Beautiful.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

85. Woo hoo! REAL AMERICANS!!! I'm so happy! Stand up to intolerance

Tell those nazi bastards they are not welcome

[nikto]

88. Fuck YEAH!!

Go Lakota!!

[johnnyreb]

91. DAYumn straight!!

Blessings and love to the grandmothers!

[nikto]

92. But Jonah Goldberg says Nazis and Communists are the same thing. Could he be WRONG?

Communist-Nazis are such a threat these days.




"fascism, properly understood, is not a phenomenon of the right at all. Instead, it is, and always has been, a phenomenon of the left. This fact — an inconvenient truth if there ever was one — is obscured in our time by the equally mistaken belief that fascism and communism are opposites. In reality, they are closely related, historical competitors for the same constituents."
--Jonah Goldberg (Liberal Fascism)

Request for advice:

Suggest: Best arguments to debunk this obvious, but clever, BS.

Thanks.

[gejohnston]

118. more nuance than Goldberg can handle

but if the USSR had a more capitalist economy, it would be fascist. Both were. The USSR and Nazi Germany did have these in common:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Nazism_and_Stalinism

While Germany practiced Keynesian economics (as did Italy), that has nothing to do with the US or Canada doing it. It is a guilt by association and over-generalization to push supply side economics, and their brand of crony capitalism.

Some argue that the Nazis and Fascists did not really fit in the right/left paradigm.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

96. how I would LOVE to know them personally!

what a cool group!

[eridani]

99. Go granny, go granny, go granny GO! n/t

[Coyotl]

103. REC #160

I posted this this morning in another OP:

Neo-Nazis Trying to Take Over North Dakota Town Sent Running by Native American and Anti-Fascist Act
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023720034

[rug]

105. That picture is quite a contrast.

Before and after.

[Sissyk]

106. K&R

Awesome, ladies!!

[NYC_SKP]

110. Kick and Rec and LOL!

[gejohnston]

116. Right on,

some kick ass grandmas.
but why would the neo Nazis be flying the Navy Ensign?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriegsmarine

But then, why the original US flag that stood for everything they are against.

[DissidentVoice]

119. Warriors in the spirit of their honoured ancestors!

I am half German (Swiss-German actually) and speak the language.

Any time I see Nazi era symbology (and the swastika existed long before Hitler defiled it) it turns my stomach.

My grandmother was one-quarter Cherokee, and I honour the very small amount of that bloodline that is in me.

These Native American matriarchs have my full support and respect.

[cer7711]

121. That Picture Is Almost Too Beautiful For Words

Love the woman who's flashing the peace sign above the swastika. She looks quite pleased with herself, heh! You go Grandma!

[avaistheone1]

122. k&r

[Granny M]

123. Respect from this granny.

Wonderful women.

[idwiyo]

124. K&R

[Donald Ian Rankin]

125. If this is theft, then they were wrong to do so, I'm afraid.

I want to live in a country where even Nazis can claim the protections of the law and free speech.

It's the only way I can be confident that those protections won't be eroded for me, too.

[Coyotl]

144. You are correct. We need to give ND, SD, WY & MT back to them. We can't tolerate theft, after all.

Who wants to live in a stolen country, I'm packing my bags and taking the return trip to Europe right now.





Freedom! Lakota Sioux Indians Declare Sovereign Nation Status
http://raimd.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/freedom-lakota-sioux-indians-declare-sovereign-nation-status/

[RebelOne]

162. I totally agree. We have taken all their land all over the U.S. n/t

[LanternWaste]

149. It is then, a most brave, and rather new world in which taxpayers legally subsidize

It is then, a most brave, and rather new world in which taxpayers legally subsidize the incompetence and malfeasance of bankers stealing from us... instilling an illusory confidence in the people that allows us an ethical convenience in focusing our morality on the potential negative consequences arising from an ambiguous and symbolic action rather than, well... you know-- actual theft.

I imagine the sobriquet of Fundy may be applied to the political as well as the religious when we place our faith on position of absolutism and dogma.

Theft does not necessarily equal theft... (see the works of Heraclitus and Parmenides for any necessary edification which seems to contradict your bumper-sticker)

[Democracyinkind]

126. The "theft is theft" argument is the most ironic thing I've read on DU in a while.

Yeah, let's lecture the Lakota tribe about theft...

[La Lioness Priyanka]

160. yup . nt

[Posteritatis]

163. From people who're actively trying to steal an entire community, no less. (nt)

[noiretextatique]

132. theft is theft

excellent job, mothers. Thank you!

[LeftinOH]

134. REAL Americans taking action! Awesome! n/t

[sinkingfeeling]

138. Fighting to keep their town Nazi free! Way to go!

[niyad]

139. k and r-and thanks to all of you for this story

[cecilfirefox]

145. K & R times a million! Huzzah's for those grandmothers! \O/ nt

[Javaman]

150. It reminds me of a photo of my Uncle during WWII when they captured a nazi flag from an HQ...

Amazing that we are still doing this today.

Good on these women.

[cer7711]

157. Indeed!

Fascism has a thousand-thousand heads. It will be up to good people of resolute leftist convictions everywhere to cut them off and apply cleansing fire to the thumping stumps . . .

[Hulk]

152. A sweet news bit.

Love it! These are "the REAL Americans"!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

161. theft is theft unless white people did it

then its just empire building.