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"the Explainer in Chief" to explain ObamaCare will be/is understood for what it is by any person of color and/or woman that has ever been in a strategy session in corporate America.
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DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)and your post makes no sense.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)Strange the assumptions we make from a name. 
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)So, in your experience as a woman in corporate America, never you never presented an idea/solution that was argued against as unworkable, talked over, or even just ignored, only to watch a male team member propose the same idea/solution, and it be found to be brilliant and brand new?
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)More than once.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)1) Are you a POC?
2) Are you a woman?
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)The idea that the experience we are talking about is foreign to all males and particularly white males is not entirely true.
The point being that I can sympathize.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I understand that some males, including white males, would understand.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)or gal proposes the same thing but in a slightly different way and it's called BRILLIANT. I totally understood what you meant.
I am an educated woman, pretty articulate as well. I can explain things in very simplistic, clearly-stated terms. However, what you have described happens to me from time to time and leaves me scratching my head thinking: Hmmm...now, am I crazy? Didn't I just say the same fucking thing?
This kind of attitude towards the president is pervasive. Everyone knows more than him. It is THEY who knows what's best. Only they have the better ideas. They are more knowledgeable about policy. If only Obama would do this or that. If only he would talk this way or that way. He should do this to the Republicans or do that to the Republicans. Always questioning this man's intelligence. His competence. His decisions. Thinking they know better than he does.
Believe me. It drives me fucking crazy.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)In my professional life, I learned early on to get a feel for the meeting's topic before hand and submit my ideas/solutions in a quick note (email) ... then raise and flesh it out in the meeting.
I know what you mean about everyone knowing more than President Obama. And amazingly, they do so despite President Obama's credentials ... and after complaining that the government (of whom President Obama is a part of) keeps to many secrets (evidence that he is better informed than they) and that the media (their sole source of information) can't be trusted ... But they know better!
But like has been said, "opinions are like a$$-hole; everyone has one and most of them stink."
DrDan
(20,411 posts)during any of those sessions
Whisp
(24,096 posts)because, you know, just like when he got Obama re-elected by speaking at the 2012 convention ... this will be like that...
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)1) Are you a POC?
2) Are you a woman?
Whisp
(24,096 posts)I was being super sarcastic. sorry.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I asked about your race and gender to gauge what kind of responses I got from whom.
Liberal_Stalwart71
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Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)If the black president wants to sell any idea to a broader audience (read dominant culture), he needs to pull out Bubba.
Obviously, "Explainer in Chief" doesn't come from Clinton having a greater ability to articulate ideas, it comes far more from the fact that certain groups can relate to him, many of which wouldn't give a black speaker the time of day.
Clinton can reach that NASCAR group, that good old boy group, and others that Obama can't reach because of the color of his skin, nothing more.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Bubba's reach goes far beyond that NASCAR group, that good old boy group; but for the same reason.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)But I know in my soul that it is true, that it's a problem far broader and deeper than those few that stick out the most.
Damn.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Clinton doesn't have friends in the NASCAR Group... Believe me on this... That group is made up of folks who wanted his hide hung on a post during the Impeachment hearings.
And...Obama and Clinton work together because Clinton was coined as the Black President... (don't have time to get the Google)..but, you've been here long enough to remember that, I'm sure. He was considered a person who would work for the poor when he ran for President. But, I think some of his policies in retrospect may have caused many in minority and poor communities to wonder about him. I wonder if his De-Regulation policies didn't cause many of us in the Middle Class to cool on our retrospective view of him. We were just so busy trying to save him from Impeachment and the Lying RW against Hillary...we didn't notice what he was doing.
But, he has the great gift of Communication which we though POB had as Candidate and when he's out there giving speeches he still can appear to be that guy... But, have you listened to him lately? He sounds like a Harvard Professor...
Just saying...
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)....while they wouldn't give Obama a moment's attention.
It may be unfair to use NASCAR as a proxy for white main-stream Americans who won't listen to a black president, but in any event I didn't mean to diminish the good works of Bill Clinton or even to suggest that he's not a persuasive speaker, (he is persuasive and charismatic) so much as to indicate that there is an audience that won't listen to Obama.
And we agree, Obama's public speaking skills, his charm and passion, haven't been showing as strongly as at times in the past.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)The Wall Street Crowd and Business Owners...then I could agree that they listen to Bill Clinton because he's one of them, these days. And, Obamagot huge support from Wall Street because of how they have benefited from his Administration after the Crash that we are all still suffering from. Goldman-Sachs was one of his top donors for 2008.. But he got much more money from them in this last election. So ...I'm confused as to who Bill will appeal to except those who like his folksy gift for explaining complicated issues and making one feel he "understands them." I think the country is in a different place right now from even a year ago where Bill could come in and back up Obama and get support. 
Hey....we agree to disagree... No problem with that!
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Bill Clinton was my least favorite during his primary way back when.
My opinion hasn't changed much.
NAFTA, just for starters.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)people. I am a woman and have never experienced what the OP is saying. I have experienced presenting an idea, having it ignored and then another women maybe, making a better presentation and having it accepted.
Who do you think asked Clinton to help trash the Republicans on ACA? Seems to me that political parties do this all the time.
NOT because a president can't do it for whatever reason, but because you need all your best people to help fight the opposition.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Bill Clinton is one of the best colloquial speakers in the history of politics.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)the Gift for Gab...and were known as "Silver Tongued Devils." It was sort of a compliment...if you were Southern...at that time.
IOWD's: Good Car Salesmen, Real Estate Agents and Stock Brokers. They look you in the eye and you BELIEVE!
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)just recognizing that something are accepted better when it comes from the white guy ... even in this "post-racial era."
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)....there will come a day when President Obama is called upon to do the same thing once he leaves office for another candidate who's said to be "too close" to the situation.
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)would not be to get Michelle elected, do ya think?
I can't lose the picture etched permanently in this old gray head of Clinton avoiding Obama, snubbing him, and acting like a grade school kid when Hillary lost the nomination, and even after Obama became president. Not presidential.
I wonder if that behavior was a factor in choosing her for SS - to help heal the party, which has never healed from what I've observed. Obama hadn't even taken off his inauguration suit and Chris Matthews had Ed Rendell on saying he was supporting her, and Chris hinted about a position for him, and he said YES, in the WH...
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)It was personal for him, it was his wife who got beat, by a young guy for whom many felt "It wasn't yet his time" in the political scheme of things. He got over it, and I think he's been a huge help ever since.
Obama will carry the mantle for whomever comes next. Will it be Hillary....or Joe Biden? We'll see. Michelle down the line? Sure.
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)I've come up with ideas that were met with total silence until an older male coworker says exactly the same thing. Then suddenly everybody could hear. Then it's "Great idea Bob".
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)1) Are you a POC?
2) Are you a woman?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)To both questions.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)coldmountain
(802 posts)Obama would be a weak man if he didn't accept help.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)now where did I hear that before...
coldmountain
(802 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)that Obama uses a Teleprompter because he's stupider than Clinton? That because Bill is so dang smart n' all, it must also mean that Hillitary is also so dang smart n' all, becuase ya know, it's that gene thing.
I just said something to you out loud that would get this post hidden.
lordn' florgin'
tman
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[/youtube]Also...People seem to forget Bill had his own problems selling his own healthcare law, as have a handful of other presidents.
