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Did you know this fact about police officers wearing cameras? (Original Post) Playinghardball Sep 2013 OP
I wonder what percentage of the drop in claims was due to ... Scuba Sep 2013 #1
Those would be interesting numbers, ZombieHorde Sep 2013 #2
Success rate zipplewrath Sep 2013 #9
I am sure its a bit of both but not sure which is more. iandhr Sep 2013 #7
Nice post, Officer. KamaAina Sep 2013 #8
Fact is we'll never know the answer, but I'll bet the cops are much better behaved when ... Scuba Sep 2013 #13
In fairness... Renew Deal Sep 2013 #27
How about, be happy with the results and let somebody get their doctorate in sociology Half-Century Man Sep 2013 #12
Seems to me it's win-win either way. Salviati Sep 2013 #14
That's true. HappyMe Sep 2013 #20
It's probably a combination of both--officers are forced to be more polite, and you msanthrope Sep 2013 #31
Bingo. nt rrneck Sep 2013 #35
Have some cops wear cameras that they, but not the public, knew were fake? Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2013 #38
That would suggest all police should wear cameras... Uben Sep 2013 #3
Keep in mind that a lot of those complaints Playinghardball Sep 2013 #4
That's still a positive result. Mariana Sep 2013 #19
yeah this citizen never should have started it reddread Sep 2013 #23
It saved my ass!!! TheDeputy Sep 2013 #5
Your department charges people who filed complaints that aren't upheld? Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #10
Nope TheDeputy Sep 2013 #16
Since the arrest or encounter is recorded, it is unbiased KurtNYC Sep 2013 #17
Exactly. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #21
Nice story Renew Deal Sep 2013 #28
heh... darkangel218 Sep 2013 #32
Police are embracing technology faster than you think..... Historic NY Sep 2013 #6
It's why police get enraged when civilians photograph them, let alone video them. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #11
no kidding reddread Sep 2013 #24
I got a 3rd party survey when I opened this post. Just saying. n/t Fla Dem Sep 2013 #15
Excellent gopiscrap Sep 2013 #18
Most officers never abuse their authority, most citizens never file false complaints Alcibiades Sep 2013 #22
Is there a source for that fact? Renew Deal Sep 2013 #25
Wondering the same thing here. Aldo Leopold Sep 2013 #30
It's on the "didyouknowblog" on Facebook! Kolesar Sep 2013 #37
good cops dont do anything about bad cops reddread Sep 2013 #26
Which makes them bad cops by proxy, as far as I am concerned n/t markpkessinger Sep 2013 #34
As did donut shop sales. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #29
So does the cities with the cops wearing cameras EC Sep 2013 #33
Who knows? TheDeputy Sep 2013 #36
 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
1. I wonder what percentage of the drop in claims was due to ...
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 02:06 PM
Sep 2013

... better behaved cops and what percentage was due to knowing your false claim will be exposed.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
9. Success rate
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 02:44 PM
Sep 2013

One indication would be whether the "success" rate for those that were filed changed. If the same number of complaints were found to be valid, despite the overall drop in complaints, it suggests that there were alot of unfounded complaints. i.e. the cops behavior hadn't changed but the reporting became more justified. Alternately, if the number of successful events rose, even though the total number of complaints dropped, it would suggest that the cops were now not getting away with their behaviors, but they hadn't learned to change yet.

Now, if the number of valid complaints dropped AND the number of complaints overall dropped, it suggest that the cops had either changed their behavior, OR they were actually helping defend the cops against unwarranted charges. One indication might be which had dropped more, the number of complaints, or the number of valid charges.

Personally, I agree with another poster which is everyone should be recording these exchanges, from both sides. It would probably make everyone behave a little better, even if just a little. Over all though one would think the police would be all for this. If it is dropping the number of complaints (valid or otherwise), how is that not a good thing, unless it is because the police are changing their behaviors.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
13. Fact is we'll never know the answer, but I'll bet the cops are much better behaved when ...
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 02:55 PM
Sep 2013

... they know there's a video record of their actions.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
12. How about, be happy with the results and let somebody get their doctorate in sociology
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 02:51 PM
Sep 2013

with the study?

If it works, with no harmful effects, use it.

Salviati

(6,009 posts)
14. Seems to me it's win-win either way.
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 02:59 PM
Sep 2013

Some combination of better behaved cops, and fewer fraudulent complaints - what's not to like?

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
31. It's probably a combination of both--officers are forced to be more polite, and you
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 04:18 PM
Sep 2013

also have fewer marginal complaints pressed from the public.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
38. Have some cops wear cameras that they, but not the public, knew were fake?
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 05:20 PM
Sep 2013

But even that might influence their behaviour.

Ideally, you want cameras that everyone *but* the wearer knows are fake.

Uben

(7,719 posts)
3. That would suggest all police should wear cameras...
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 02:09 PM
Sep 2013

...of which I would have no problem with, as long as they understand we as citizens have the same right to photograph or film our interactions with the police! What's good for the goose.......

 

Playinghardball

(11,665 posts)
4. Keep in mind that a lot of those complaints
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 02:17 PM
Sep 2013

from the citizens might have been unfounded and the cameras put a stop to that bs...

Mariana

(14,861 posts)
19. That's still a positive result.
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 03:40 PM
Sep 2013

I don't see any downside, regardless of the actual cause of the reduction in complaints.

 

TheDeputy

(224 posts)
5. It saved my ass!!!
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 02:18 PM
Sep 2013

I had arrested some punk. His mom later came to the station and claimed that she had seen me rough up her son. She was doing the whole "my son didn't do anything, he's a good boy, that cop beat his ass" thing.

My supervisor asked if she wished to lodge a formal complaint. She said she did. He gave her the complaint form and said that the event had been recorded. He further stated that our department does charge people who file false reports.

She left.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
10. Your department charges people who filed complaints that aren't upheld?
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 02:45 PM
Sep 2013

Sounds like a nice way to intimidate people into not complaining.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
17. Since the arrest or encounter is recorded, it is unbiased
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 03:10 PM
Sep 2013

If one is physically or verbally mishandled during an arrest then the recording protects your right to have the matter reviewed.

If one makes up untrue charges against an officer who has done nothing wrong then the recording protects the officer and their career.

Historic NY

(37,457 posts)
6. Police are embracing technology faster than you think.....
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 02:27 PM
Sep 2013
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/22/us/in-california-a-champion-for-police-cameras.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

From 2011 but I can bet its much higher now.with in car and other video/audio/gps/etc.

One of the newest uses is streaming video. Locally a neighboring city was able to identify a shooting in progress and dispacth police before the calls came in. They tracked the suspects in hours.....even got some dramatic footage of one of the shooters running head first into a street sign while trying to escape.

http://www.policeforum.org/library/press-releases/PERFtechnologyconferencePressRelease4411.pdf

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,052 posts)
11. It's why police get enraged when civilians photograph them, let alone video them.
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 02:47 PM
Sep 2013

It leads to lawsuits they lose and the city ends up compensating the photographer.

In some jurisdictions, it is illegal to video police because of old laws forbidding sound recording. Should be possible to rig a silent video without much trouble so no audio is recorded.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
24. no kidding
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 03:55 PM
Sep 2013

city of Fresno was outraged by their liability from video recordings to the point that they banned unpermitted movie filming or something to that effect. They also escaped handily on the filmed beating above when they were able to lock the victim away and settle his hash for a paltry sum. Remind me not to call that lawyer.

Alcibiades

(5,061 posts)
22. Most officers never abuse their authority, most citizens never file false complaints
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 03:46 PM
Sep 2013

This is an excellent practice to adjudicate disagreements, though, and even prevent them. I see it as win-win.

Aldo Leopold

(685 posts)
30. Wondering the same thing here.
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 04:11 PM
Sep 2013

Sounds like one of those facts you get from a free iPhone app. I would like to know the source.

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
37. It's on the "didyouknowblog" on Facebook!
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 05:12 PM
Sep 2013

Right up there with NY Times and Christian Science Monitor

EC

(12,287 posts)
33. So does the cities with the cops wearing cameras
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 04:25 PM
Sep 2013

say that complaints are down because the citizens know they are being filmed and therefore they behave and don't complain or because cops behave knowing they are being filmed?

 

TheDeputy

(224 posts)
36. Who knows?
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 05:06 PM
Sep 2013

The answer can't be known. I do know, however, of numerous local incidents where the cameras exonerate the officers.

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