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babylonsister

(171,092 posts)
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 07:00 AM Sep 2013

Republicans: We Were Too Nice to the Hungry, But We’ve Fixed That

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/09/republicans-we-were-too-nice-to-the-hungry.html

Republicans: We Were Too Nice to the Hungry, But We’ve Fixed That

By Jonathan Chait


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The putative rationale for the food-stamp cuts is that eligibility standards have loosened, or that it encourages sloth. Jonathan Cohn makes quick work of these claims, and the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities makes long, detailed work of them. Click on those links if you want a blow-by-blow refutation. The upshot is that food stamps are a meager subsidy, of less than $1.40 per meal, for people either stuck in very low paid jobs or unable to find work at all. Their cost has increased because the recession has increased the supply of poor, desperate people. Republicans have offered specious comparisons to welfare reform, but that law both offered funds for job training and was passed in a full-employment economy. Neither of these conditions holds true of the GOP’s food-stamp cuts, whose only significant result would be the first-order effect of making very poor people hungrier.

CNN reported last night that Agriculture Committee Chairman Frank Lucas, a Republican supporter of the bill, received a daily meal allowance of $127.41, or 91 times the average daily food-stamp benefit. Lucas is also notable as a recipient of the agriculture subsidies his committee doles out: He and his wife have collected more than $40,000 worth.

It’s the juxtaposition of the two programs that so clearly exposes the party’s agenda. Anti-government ideology can justify even the most vicious cuts to the safety net. It can’t justify the massive socialist scheme that is agriculture policy. And, to be fair, conservative intellectuals generally don’t justify agriculture socialism. But the Republican Party certainly does. The ultraconservative Republican Study Committee recently banned the Heritage Foundation from its meetings because Heritage denounced the GOP’s farm subsidies. There is a grim hilarity here: Republicans punished Heritage for its one technocratically sane position.

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The conservative war on food stamps is the most baffling political move of the year. Conservatives have suffered for years from the stereotype that they are heartless Scrooge McDucks more concerned with our money than other people’s lives. Yet in this case, conservatives make the taking of food from the mouths of the genuinely hungry a top priority. What gives? And why are conservatives overlooking a far more egregious abuse of taxpayer dollars in the farm bill?


It’s not baffling, nor is the notion that the Republican Party protects the class interests of the rich a “stereotype.” It’s an analysis that persuasively explains the facts.

Indeed, it’s the only analysis that persuasively explains the facts. I’d prefer to abolish agriculture subsidies completely while keeping in place (or boosting) food rations for the poor. A libertarian might want to abolish both programs, a socialist might want to keep both. I’d disagree but attribute the disagreement to philosophical differences. What possible basis can be found to justify preserving subsidies for affluent farmers while cutting them for the poor? What explanation offers itself other than the party’s commitment to waging class war?
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Republicans: We Were Too Nice to the Hungry, But We’ve Fixed That (Original Post) babylonsister Sep 2013 OP
There is absolutely no justification for this. Kath1 Sep 2013 #1
I picture them running to the hills like Frankenstein monster... SummerSnow Sep 2013 #2
Your post put a beautiful image in my mind this morning! Kath1 Sep 2013 #3
Love the direction and cinematography,you can almost smell and taste the fear. Rain Mcloud Sep 2013 #9
Would you say the GOP is... SummerSnow Sep 2013 #12
Definitely! Rain Mcloud Sep 2013 #13
It is the modern day Dr. Frankenstein himself, pangaia Sep 2013 #10
Has anybody heard how the GOP's war of the Poor Folk is coming along?????? Cryptoad Sep 2013 #4
Election Strategy # 3 - Cut Food Stamps ...wow. Johnny Ready Sep 2013 #5
Time was the Republican sulphurdunn Sep 2013 #6
The Republicans do have reasons -- they just don't want to admit them starroute Sep 2013 #7
I'm sure the Democrats can find a nice bi-partisan solution RandiFan1290 Sep 2013 #8
2013 heaven05 Sep 2013 #11

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
1. There is absolutely no justification for this.
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 07:08 AM
Sep 2013

I just hope this backfires on them like their war on women did. It really is time to get these heartless creeps out of office!

SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)
2. I picture them running to the hills like Frankenstein monster...
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 07:17 AM
Sep 2013

with us as the townfolk chasing them away.

 

Rain Mcloud

(812 posts)
13. Definitely!
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 12:34 PM
Sep 2013

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: something that is extremely or unusually large

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1
a : an animal or plant of abnormal form or structure
b : one who deviates from normal or acceptable behavior or character

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a : an animal of strange or terrifying shape
b : one unusually large for its kind

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5: one that is highly successful

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
10. It is the modern day Dr. Frankenstein himself,
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 09:58 AM
Sep 2013

members of the Republican Party, who should be chased to the hills, as the creator of the monster., not the monster himself, poor guy.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
4. Has anybody heard how the GOP's war of the Poor Folk is coming along??????
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 07:40 AM
Sep 2013

My first cousin is a big farmer. Over the last 15 years he paid for a $10 Million Beach House in FL with his farm subsidy checks.........this is the norm in farming........ it is the Farmers making Big Money that get the big subsidies!

I could understand helping a farmer who for whatever reason lost his crop and money. But giving money to Farmers who are making plenty of money without the subsidies is GOP cazy!

Johnny Ready

(203 posts)
5. Election Strategy # 3 - Cut Food Stamps ...wow.
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 08:59 AM
Sep 2013

Let me make sure I understand this correctly. Lockheed Martin just inked a new contract worth a couple billion dollars with the Pentagon to provide defense missiles. While a decision was made to reduce food stamps.

Summary:
A. The weapons are useless. We have reached a point where nuclear devastation is a reality, understood by all nations negating the imposing threat of use. The stakes are too high for war today. Life after any type of nuclear war would be impossible at best, and this fact is not lost on world leaders.

B. After losing two consecutive presidential elections it appears the Rep. may be on their way to losing number three with decisions like this regarding food stamps.

C. The combination of these two events summarizes the divide in this country.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
6. Time was the Republican
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 09:22 AM
Sep 2013

Party did a pretty good job of protecting and furthering the interests of the very wealthy without projecting their class prejudices. No more.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
7. The Republicans do have reasons -- they just don't want to admit them
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 09:34 AM
Sep 2013

The simplest reason is that they want to see the lower class poor, desperate, and willing to do any job for any wages. This not only ensures a supply of cheap labor but also keeps the middle class from getting too uppity.

There's also a more complex reason, which is that they're afraid if people get useful services from government, they might start to think kindly of "socialism" and get more skeptical about the alleged bounty of capitalism. They've been pushing since the Reagan era for people to regard government as a useless behemoth that sucks up their tax dollars and never gives anything back, but during the current economic situation, that image is starting to slip. So they need less welfare and more useless weapons systems to maintain the image.

RandiFan1290

(6,244 posts)
8. I'm sure the Democrats can find a nice bi-partisan solution
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 09:43 AM
Sep 2013

They've been so good at the "Grand Bargains"
Maybe they can talk their good friends into only cutting half as much. We should be grateful for that! We can't expect ponies, unicorns, and rainbows. The publicons deserve to get their cuts! It's only fair.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
11. 2013
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 10:06 AM
Sep 2013

racism, class division along the classic very rich, very poor lines. Frustrated, deranged people with guns, some exploding bombs in crowded venues of fun or workplaces or shopping malls. Wars with no end and hundreds of thousands killed and displaced. Civil wars with hundreds of thousand killed and displaced. Cruelty of all types perpetrated by human beings on other human beings. Political party's playing god with peoples lives, threatening to withhold needed medical care, ability to feed families, telling women their bodies are not their own......I could go on and on. What's the use. I hope we grow up soon.

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