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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsReport: Prosecutor misconduct is "widespread and ingrained" in criminal justice system
And according to a recent Center for Prosecutor Integrity survey, 43% of persons nationwide believe prosecutorial misconduct is widespread.
Prosecutor misconduct takes many forms, including charging a suspect with more crimes than warranted, concealing evidence, coercing witnesses, and making misleading statements to the jury.
Unethical prosecutors know that judges seldom report the misconduct to state bar associations, and even when they do, sanctions are imposed in only 1-2% of cases, the report reveals.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/prosecutor-misconduct-is-widespread-extends-to-highest-levels-cpi-report-reveals-2013-09-18
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)The point of an adversarial system is that there are two people in the courtroom whose job is not to see justice done, but to get a particular result by any legitimate means.
Lying to a jury clearly *isn't* legitimate, but spinning the truth quite hard arguably is.
The other entries on the list, of course, clearly aren't.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)can get a fair hearing. It's flawed, but it's the best way to resolve disputes and determine guilt and innocence.
whttevrr
(2,345 posts)From the article:
This is not ok.
quakerboy
(13,920 posts)Is are those 43% of wrongful convictions due to innocence or due to a defense lawyer finding a technicality that results in a "wrongful conviction" overturning, regardless of guilt or innocence?
The answer to that would seem to indicate the direction to go toward fixing the problem.
soryang
(3,299 posts)the law is the law. your "technicality" is what most lawyers call the Bill of Rights.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)If innocent people are being sent to jail because prosecutor action and the letter of the law do not coincide, we should get prosecutors to act differently.
If guilty people are being let out because prosecutor action and the letter of the law do not coincide, we should consider changing the law to make it legal for prosecutors to act in those ways.
Remember: the point of legal protections and due process is *not* "to guarantee a fair trial", or anything abstract like that, it's to minimise the number of innocent people sent to jail. If a legal protection protects both the innocent and the guilty, we may well need to keep it even if it does result in criminals getting away with things, but if it's *only*, or almost only, protecting guilty people, it should be abolished (and I suspect that some admissibility criteria may come into this category, although I confess that that's pure speculation with very little information to back it up).
quakerboy
(13,920 posts)is whether we need to teach prosecutors to cross all their t's and more carefully hold themselves to high ethical standards
or whether we have a massive miscarriage of justice that needs to be dealt with harshly and with wholesale systemic change.
If its a matter of convictions overturned on a technicality, then we have a problem with lazy prosecutors who are not properly doing what they are supposed to do. Its a basic job training and standards issue. Like teaching your salesmen a better selling technique, or teaching your managers how not to micromanage people.
If its a matter of innocent people convicted, we have a much larger issue with prosecutors going after innocent people. Thats not good and would be, in my mind a more fundamental and serious problem.
So yeah.. Its not, despite your snark , anything about the "bill of rights". Its about how we move to solve a problem. Understanding the nature of the problem you have is a very basic starting place toward finding the correct solution. Otherwise you end up taking Antibiotics to help with a viral infection, which helps no one.
whttevrr
(2,345 posts)davidn3600
(6,342 posts)"It is more important that innocence should be protected, than it is, that guilt be punished; for guilt and crimes are so frequent in this world, that all of them cannot be punished.... when innocence itself, is brought to the bar and condemned, especially to die, the subject will exclaim, 'it is immaterial to me whether I behave well or ill, for virtue itself is no security.' And if such a sentiment as this were to take hold in the mind of the subject that would be the end of all security whatsoever."
-John Adams
The thing is...I think our society is wanting to flip this mentality. People think it's more important that guilt be punished, otherwise guilty people won't fear the system. Look what happens when the system acquits someone who the public thinks is guilty....there is outrage. People attack the jury, the lawyers, the judge. Look at DU after Zimmerman was acquitted.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)If the adversarial system was supposed to be even we wouldn't have the bill of rights, presumption of innocence, etc..
The prosecution represents THE STATE and, as such, has a higher obligation.
Seriously, if you believe what you just said (thankfully you do not) you would be saying that you are okay with the conviction of the innocent based on the state misleading jurors.
(The alternative is that you think the state should only be able to mislead the jury in cases where the defendant is guilty, which is even scarier.)
Th1onein
(8,514 posts)It's called a "JUSTICE" system for a REASON.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts).
soryang
(3,299 posts)the overwhelming majority act like they have a vested personal interest in convicting the accused rather than being fair and impartial. of course, if there are cameras or reporters in the courtroom, then they put on act of being impartial. you know, like Mannings military judge. the fact is that most judges are authoritarian personalities.
Baitball Blogger
(46,720 posts)Especially if we know these things are going on. Sounds like judges should be held accountable as accessories to crime.
mnmoderatedem
(3,728 posts)yes, prosecutorial misconduct happens in capital cases.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)And then there's the cops.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)If a conviction is overturned for prosecutorial mis-conduct or police mis-conduct, the prosecutor or the officer should immediately be packed off to serve the same sentence the person wrongfully convicted was given. If that was a death sentence, execution should be carried out immediately, without any possibility of appeal or review.
gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)all P.O.'s, Cops, Judges and Prosecutors are a bunch of crooked, lying ass wipes.
indepat
(20,899 posts)under the law, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, freedom, and you name it, yet is so widespread as to be, imo, a malignancy eating at the very heart, soul, and conscience of America.
Trillo
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