I just going to go on record for businesses and the issue of guns

[MichiganVote]

For the record, concealed or not, legal or not, I'm sorry but I won't be visiting your business should patrons be allowed to bring their guns. I'm not opposed to guns on general principle. I'm just opposed to the fact that public venues that are not equipped to assess the mental status of people who carry weapons that cost more than my car can or do permit them.

I mean really, really?? Do I need that cup of coffee or that hunk of Zucchini at the grocery store so damn bad that I have to put up with this too? Will I look forward to some shoot up in the Kelloggs cereal aisle instead of a school next time? Does some no nothing 17 year old clerk really have to support some Zimmerman wanna be just to have a fucking job that pays about nothing?

I want to live my life. Is it really too much to ask that I and others be allowed to do so minus the gun drama and the threat of nut jobs taking out me or my family for the sake of a fucking cheeseburger? Some things are bad. Smoking is bad. Yet smoking is banned from more places than guns. This is progress?

No bank, no restaurant, no gas station is worth that to me. So here I am, little nobody me saying, thanks but no thanks. I'll take my business elsewhere.

It's pretty clear to me that if an entire Navy yard can approve the security clearance of a guy with a clear and undeniable mental illness, Starbucks ain't got shit. And the same is true for any other "service" industry.

So got guns? Lose customers.

[blkmusclmachine]

1. Glad I never bought anything Star Bucks.

[MichiganVote]

2. Crazy times isn't it. I actually don't like their coffee much anyway.

But what the heck that's only one biz out of millions.

[GreenStormCloud]

3. Michigan, where you appear to live, had 511,971 CCW permit holders as of 8/4/2013

So every time you go out in public there is a high probability that somebody around you is armed.

[MichiganVote]

4. Yes but how many businesses permit people to strut around with guns.

Recently two men who had a road rage event shot each other to death on the highway. Both only about 50 or so. In one car one man's wife and mother were seated. So two men dead over a probable lane change on the highway. How easy will it be to play wild west shoot out in a restaurant or similar venue?

No thanks, I see them, I'm gone.

[NutmegYankee]

7. Concealed carry means the business wouldn't know.

The gun (a handgun) is hidden. Open carry is a different animal, and is usually just legalized redneck style intimidation. Other than some ass-clown carrying a rifle in s store, how would you know someone had one?

[MichiganVote]

10. You seem to want to argue my personal choice.

If that's the case, you're wasting your time. I can choose to honor a business or not. If a business supports open carry, for me it's a no brainier. If it's a concealed carry that somehow, magically is not concealed, as I have seen so many, I'm not likely to patronize the business. Although concealed carry is legal, that doesn't mean there is a law to make me stay,eat, sleep etc. I think I'll figure it out and so will others.

We're not powerless and we do have choices.

[NutmegYankee]

17. I was just asking how a business stops what it cannot see.

I think most workers are too busy to scan every person to determine if there is a bulge somewhere. On open carry I agree with you.

[MichiganVote]

18. Not asking the business to police the people. I'll make my own assessment.

But there is nothing wrong with a sign saying no open carry.

[ManiacJoe]

9. The vast majority of businesses "permit people to strut around with guns".

[csziggy]

5. Agreed - and I will let any business that allows open carry

Why I will NOT be spending my money there. If they hear from enough former customers, the business will realize how much it could cost them.

[MichiganVote]

6. We are not powerless. We make choices everyday. I've made mine.

[etherealtruth]

11. exactly!

i will leave a business immediately when I see some fool strutting around with his or her beloved gun

[krispos42]

8. Not a particularly useful post.

Most people carry concealed. It logically follows that as you have visited Starbucks, Burger King, Subway, Cub Foods, the Amoco station, Barnes & Noble, Trader Joe's, or any of a variety of local stores and business, you've walk past, behind, or next to somebody with a concealed pistol. You've stood in line behind them at the register, you bumped into them in the veggie section, made small talk with them.

Your portrayal of people that choose to carry concealed guns as rage-filled sociopaths continually on the brink of murder might be emotionally satisfying, but bears no relationship to reality.

[MichiganVote]

12. Exactly where did I characterize people who carry guns as that?

Exaggerate much?

Sides' it's my choice where I go and why, not yours. And in case you haven't noticed there ARE some whack jobs out there with guns. You want me to ask them for mental health exam or something?

Get real.

[Glassunion]

16. You did say

"I want to live my life. Is it really too much to ask that I and others be allowed to do so minus the gun drama and the threat of nut jobs taking out me or my family for the sake of a fucking cheeseburger?"

To me that does sound like you are describing some rage-filled sociopaths on the brink of murder.

[MichiganVote]

19. And so, every person carrying is of course a straight arrow right?

Excuse me for offending your sensibilities while people and kids get the shit shot out of them by half baked killers of any ilk. Oh dear, that's probably too rough too?

Again, my choice and I'll make it and so will others as they choose. So while you want to make the issue my choice of language, I will stick to the issue at hand.

[krispos42]

20. Really? Really?

That's your defense?

[div class=excerpt style=background:#AFEEEE]I'm just opposed to the fact that public venues that are not equipped to assess the mental status of people who carry weapons that cost more than my car can or do permit them.

[div class=excerpt style=background:#AFEEEE]Will I look forward to some shoot up in the Kelloggs cereal aisle instead of a school next time? Does some no nothing 17 year old clerk really have to support some Zimmerman wanna be just to have a fucking job that pays about nothing?

[div class=excerpt style=background:#AFEEEE]Is it really too much to ask that I and others be allowed to do so minus the gun drama and the threat of nut jobs taking out me or my family for the sake of a fucking cheeseburger?


Trust me, if you're really worried about a CCW permittee gunning you down, unprovoked, you're really worrying about the wrong thing.

You need to worry far more about the violent teenagers and career criminals that are illegally carrying guns. They're the ones killing thousands of people a year.

I mean, you're seriously stating that there is non-negligible risk of being killed by a CCW permittee over a cheeseburger or a breakfast cereal.

[JaneyVee]

13. I agree. I won't support a business that allows guns in their business.

Besides homicides, too many accidental misfiring's.

[MichiganVote]

14. Right. There is nothing to compel people to patronize any business or public area

They are not comfortable in.

[JaneyVee]

15. It's also very intimidating and creates a bad business atmosphere.