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cali

(114,904 posts)
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 10:59 AM Sep 2013

Here Comes The Hard Sell On The Transpacific Partnership Agreement

From Time today:

Voters Won’t Like It, but We Have to Bring Back Free Trade

There was a time, not that long ago, when policymakers and economists didn’t dare question free trade. The open exchange of clothes, cars, oranges, TV sets and everything else was almost universally upheld as a rock-solid route to prosperity. But over the past decade, free trade suffered a near death experience. The whole concept became a whipping boy for all sorts of economic evils. Workers, especially in advanced economies, blamed free trade for job losses to emerging nations and downward pressure on wages.

While it’s true that not everybody gains equally from free trade, there is no shortage of evidence that eliminating barriers to the flow of goods and services is beneficial for economies overall — boosting exports, enhancing efficiency and reducing prices for consumers. But tell that to angry voters. In one 2012 survey, more than half of respondents in the U.S. believed the country should either renegotiate or pull out of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), even though it had gone into effect 18 years earlier.

Politicians took note. Republicans and Democrats may not agree on much these days, but some have reached across the aisle in recent years to call for the repeal of NAFTA. Many governments soured on approving new pacts. A free-trade agreement between the U.S. and South Korea took four years to ratify. International efforts to bring down trade barriers also stalled. The Doha Round of trade talks, which started in 2001 through the World Trade Organization, broke down over bitter differences between developed and developing nations. Doubts emerged that the deal could ever get done.



Free trade, though, has unexpectedly sprung back to life, with U.S. President Barack Obama wielding the defibrillator. In a reversal of his previous hesitance — he too once expressed anti-NAFTA sentiments — Obama is pressing hard for a couple of wide-ranging trade deals that would be the most important in two decades. Long-awaited negotiations began in July for a trade agreement between the U.S. and E.U., which would knit together countries with nearly half the world’s GDP into a massive free-trade zone. On the other side of the world, the U.S. is also pushing for the completion of the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), a trade pact that would include nations as far-flung as New Zealand, Peru and Malaysia. These deals, if finalized, “would change the entire trade landscape,” says Bruce Stokes, director of the global-economic-attitudes program at the Pew Research Center in Washington.

http://business.time.com/2013/09/17/voters-wont-like-it-but-we-have-to-bring-back-free-trade/



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Here Comes The Hard Sell On The Transpacific Partnership Agreement (Original Post) cali Sep 2013 OP
I'm one voter who sure as hell won't like it. I'm also a voter who won't forgive or forget. Autumn Sep 2013 #1
This goes more than free trade newfie11 Sep 2013 #3
Check out this thread Autumn Sep 2013 #8
Thanks Autumn newfie11 Sep 2013 #11
Aw Jeez, not again! Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #16
Ah, here it comes - wonder what the fan club will say about it...... djean111 Sep 2013 #2
+1 newfie11 Sep 2013 #5
'Free Trade', Ma'am, Means 'Race To The Bottom' In Wages And Standards The Magistrate Sep 2013 #4
Thanks for posting this -- The TPP is Fast Track Fascism. n/t whathehell Sep 2013 #6
"Bring back free trade"? G_j Sep 2013 #7
On the campaign trail... solarhydrocan Sep 2013 #9
well, hey, did he say he was going to make NAFTA better? djean111 Sep 2013 #10
This is one reason why I DO NOT LIKE THIS PRESIDENT. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #12
I can't wait to hear the cheerleaders' spin on how great it is. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #13
So far, in the many threads I've posted on the TPP cali Sep 2013 #14
Next we'll be seeing "Oh, the voters won't like it, but we need to ramp up 'trickle down!'" KansDem Sep 2013 #15
Yeah, that "free" trade gave us total failure of the banking system, fasttense Sep 2013 #18
He's just using by-the-numbers metrics and sophistry Populist_Prole Sep 2013 #23
"Bring back"? Brickbat Sep 2013 #17
NO! MoreGOPoop Sep 2013 #19
Maybe President Obama is just "Playing Us" again? bvar22 Sep 2013 #20
Mr. Schuman I must disagree. Half-Century Man Sep 2013 #21
The writer of that article is a smug condescending asshole. Populist_Prole Sep 2013 #22

Autumn

(45,114 posts)
1. I'm one voter who sure as hell won't like it. I'm also a voter who won't forgive or forget.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:02 AM
Sep 2013

This fucking thing has to be killed.

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
11. Thanks Autumn
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:30 AM
Sep 2013

I knew about most of this but there was more I didn't. There are many reasons this is not out for public viewing.

Why on earth is Obama pushing this. What is he getting out of it?
Unbelievable he's for it considering what his position was during the campaign.
I guess I should have known not to believe a politician.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
2. Ah, here it comes - wonder what the fan club will say about it......
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:06 AM
Sep 2013

I won't forget either - and no one who champions it gets my vote or support.
Not sure why Obama needs support - he doesn't need voters any more. Obviously. But Hillary - I will not vote for her no matter what. The lesser evil gap is the only gap that is closing.

The Magistrate

(95,248 posts)
4. 'Free Trade', Ma'am, Means 'Race To The Bottom' In Wages And Standards
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:08 AM
Sep 2013

It beggars the many and benefits only the few.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
10. well, hey, did he say he was going to make NAFTA better?
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:29 AM
Sep 2013

I suppose "better" is such an elusive word, now that I think about it - in this case, better for corporations and the 1%.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
12. This is one reason why I DO NOT LIKE THIS PRESIDENT.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 12:08 PM
Sep 2013

Trade agreements have deindustrialized my state. It has hurt working class Americans. Stop with the GD trade agreements!

You heard me. I don't like him.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
13. I can't wait to hear the cheerleaders' spin on how great it is.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 12:13 PM
Sep 2013

Then, if it is defeated, we can hear more spin about 11 dimension chess and shit.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
14. So far, in the many threads I've posted on the TPP
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 01:12 PM
Sep 2013

there have only been a few people trying to spin it, but they've just outright lied and denied.

President Obama is pushing the hell out of this.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
15. Next we'll be seeing "Oh, the voters won't like it, but we need to ramp up 'trickle down!'"
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 01:14 PM
Sep 2013
While it’s true that not everybody gains equally from free trade, there is no shortage of evidence that eliminating barriers to the flow of goods and services is beneficial for economies overall — boosting exports, enhancing efficiency and reducing prices for consumers. But tell that to angry voters. In one 2012 survey, more than half of respondents in the U.S. believed the country should either renegotiate or pull out of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), even though it had gone into effect 18 years earlier.


No "shortage of evidence?" What "evidence?"

Where has Michael Schuman been? Doe he really think free trade is "beneficial for economies overall?" All he has to do is walk around a bit and see how "beneficial" free trade has been...
 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
18. Yeah, that "free" trade gave us total failure of the banking system,
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 01:58 PM
Sep 2013

Detroit and other cities destroyed because stockholders and CEOs decided to move our jobs out of our country (but they still sell their crap here),

An economic crisis that doesn't seem to go away (except for the uber rich, lucky sperm club winners),

The worst economic crash since the last RepubliCON Great Depression,

Spiraling down wages and vast unemployment, and

An undeserved bailout for a bunch of crooks on Wall Street.

I could go on but sometimes I think I'm just screaming into the wind.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
23. He's just using by-the-numbers metrics and sophistry
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 02:49 PM
Sep 2013

It looks good "on paper" but of course it sucks in practice. As in, "My feet are in ice water and my head is in an oven: Overall it averages out that I feel fine"

His arguments are the exact same canards that were always used since the 80's to push trade deals.

MoreGOPoop

(417 posts)
19. NO!
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 02:07 PM
Sep 2013

We need FAIR trade reinstated. Fuck a bunch of fascists. When are
we going to declare the Koch Machine, et. al., enemies-of-the-state?

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
20. Maybe President Obama is just "Playing Us" again?
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 02:28 PM
Sep 2013

...and this is ALL just a part of another brilliant Master Plan to have America soundly reject MORE (race-to-the-bottom)Union Busting Free Trade?

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
21. Mr. Schuman I must disagree.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 02:30 PM
Sep 2013

From your article I can only guess two possibilities, first you have paid very little attention to the economy, or you were ordered to write an article like this by your masters.
If you can not understand that the United States is unsustainable as a country if rampant capitalism is not reigned in; I have to question your intelligence or powers of observation. In spite of the spin put on specific carefully selected quotes from the founders of the country, political power is suppose to be in the hands of the citizens.Not in the hands of a few.
Many people, evidently far more intelligent that you, have warned us over and over not to let moneyed interests interfere with the government of the people (Jefferson, Washington, Hancock, Addams, Paine, Madison, Eisenhower, 2 Roosevelt', to name a few). We, as a people, have had to repeatedly beat back the attempted conquest of our country from within (at least 3 times, 1901, the 1930s and now).
At the present point, I think simply halting the abuse and continuing on is acceptable. The 1% has had a good run, they should be happy with that and back their foot off our necks. We haven't started the conversation about any sort forcible removal and impounding/redistribution of accumulated wealth, yet. I remind you this has happened time and time again though World history.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
22. The writer of that article is a smug condescending asshole.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 02:44 PM
Sep 2013

ASS...HOLE!

Nothing new here. Uses the same canards all the other shills have used to push trade for the past three decades.

What was that one adage/ditty that Noam Chomsky related once, regarding elitist plutocrat groupthink? He really nailed it.

"The poor complain, they always will; but that's just idle chatter -- Our system works for all of us; or at least those of us that matter"

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