Goodman: Only reason Kissinger should be pursued is to be held accountable ... in a court of law

[Emit]

Kerry, Kissinger and the Other Sept. 11
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/kerry_kissinger_and_the_other_sept_11_20130911/
Posted on Sep 11, 2013
By Amy Goodman

As President Barack Obama’s attack on Syria appears to have been delayed for the moment, it is remarkable that Secretary of State John Kerry was meeting, on Sept. 11, with one of his predecessors, Henry Kissinger, reportedly to discuss strategy on forthcoming negotiations on Syria with Russian officials. The Kerry-Kissinger meeting, and the public outcry against the proposed attack on Syria to which both men are publicly committed, should be viewed through the lens of another Sept. 11 ... 1973.

On that day, 40 years ago, the democratically elected president of Chile, Salvador Allende, was violently overthrown in a U.S.-backed coup. Gen. Augusto Pinochet took control and began a 17-year dictatorial reign of terror, during which more than 3,000 Chileans were murdered and disappeared—about the same number killed on that later, fateful 9/11, 2001. Allende, a socialist, was immensely popular with his people. But his policies were anathema to the elites of Chile and the U.S., so President Richard Nixon and his secretary of state and national-security adviser, Henry Kissinger, supported efforts to overthrow him.

Kissinger’s role in plotting and supporting the 1973 coup in Chile becomes clearer as the years pass and the documents emerge, documents that Kissinger has personally fought hard to keep secret. Peter Kornbluh of the nonprofit National Security Archive has been uncovering the evidence for years, and has recently updated his book, “The Pinochet File: A Declassified Dossier on Atrocity and Accountability.” Kornbluh told me that Kissinger was “the singular most important figure in engineering a policy to overthrow Allende and then, even more, to embrace Pinochet and the human-rights violations that followed.” He said that Kissinger “pushed Nixon forward to as aggressive but covert a policy as possible to make Allende fail, to destabilize Allende’s ability to govern, to create what Kissinger called a coup climate.”

~snip~

Rather than meeting with Kissinger for advice, John Kerry would better serve the cause of peace by consulting with those like Garces who have spent their lives pursuing peace. The only reason Henry Kissinger should be pursued is to be held accountable, like Pinochet, in a court of law.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/kerry_kissinger_and_the_other_sept_11_20130911/

[last1standing]

1. I wish I had a million sock-puppets, just to rec this thread.

n/t

[truedelphi]

3. Same here. n/t

[noiretextatique]

40. PUBLIC APOLOGY to last1standing

I badly misread a thread you started and said some terrible things based on my misreading. I sincerely apologize to you, and to DU for my stupid, disrespectful words. I hope to see you around here more often. Again, please accept my sincere apologies. Up to 50 on my wet noodle lashes

[PNW_Dem]

123. Specifics Please

I see a lot of general criticism of Kissinger on this site and I don’t disagree with it. However, it would be interesting to have a summary of his offensive acts for the record (and discussion).

[blm]

2. It's a planned FAPB meeting/dinner that Kissinger's attending, yet corpmedia

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is trying to sell Kissinger's appearance there as if Obama and Kerry desperately need Kissinger's help.

And everyone is reacting to the corpmedia spin.

Foreign Affairs Policy Board

The Foreign Affairs Policy Board was launched in December 2011 to provide the Secretary of State, the Deputy Secretaries of State, and the Director of Policy Planning with independent, informed advice and opinion concerning matters of U.S. foreign policy. The Board serves in a solely advisory capacity, with an agenda shaped by the questions and concerns of the Secretary. Its discussions focus on assessing global threats and opportunities; identifying trends that implicate core national security interests; providing recommendations with respect to tools and capacities of the civilian foreign affairs agencies; defining priorities and strategic frameworks for U.S. foreign policy; and performing any other research and analysis of topics raised by the Secretary of State, the Deputy Secretaries, and the Director of Policy Planning.

The Board meets in a plenary session several times a year and is chartered to have up to 25 members. The Board comprises a distinguished, diverse, and bipartisan membership with a wide range of expertise and background, including past government service, academia, politics, development, and business. Strobe Talbott, President of the Brookings Institution and a former Deputy Secretary of State, serves as the Board’s Chair. He works closely with Secretary Kerry and his Policy Planning Director, David McKean , to coordinate the Board and its meetings.

[woo me with science]

4. Stop lying.

Kerry met with Kissinger at the State Department. Stop trying to imply that they will only be present at a dinner together.

This sort of blatant attempt to mislead is exactly why the incessant defensive propaganda has no credibility anymore.

[U4ikLefty]

9. Thank You. We are getting a lot of that lately.

Lie, attack & obfuscate.

[blm]

25. You owe me an apology for calling me a liar

Foreign Affairs Policy Board

The Foreign Affairs Policy Board was launched in December 2011 to provide the Secretary of State, the Deputy Secretaries of State, and the Director of Policy Planning with independent, informed advice and opinion concerning matters of U.S. foreign policy. The Board serves in a solely advisory capacity, with an agenda shaped by the questions and concerns of the Secretary. Its discussions focus on assessing global threats and opportunities; identifying trends that implicate core national security interests; providing recommendations with respect to tools and capacities of the civilian foreign affairs agencies; defining priorities and strategic frameworks for U.S. foreign policy; and performing any other research and analysis of topics raised by the Secretary of State, the Deputy Secretaries, and the Director of Policy Planning.

The Board meets in a plenary session several times a year and is chartered to have up to 25 members. The Board comprises a distinguished, diverse, and bipartisan membership with a wide range of expertise and background, including past government service, academia, politics, development, and business. Strobe Talbott, President of the Brookings Institution and a former Deputy Secretary of State, serves as the Board’s Chair. He works closely with Secretary Kerry and his Policy Planning Director, David McKean , to coordinate the Board and its meetings.

[woo me with science]

27. Bullshit.

The post speaks for itself as to your intent.

[SylviaD]

51. Someone is lying, but I don't think it's woo. n/t

[blm]

54. Then tell me what the lie was.

.

[woo me with science]

83. Two plus two equals four...

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and the clear attempt of the initial post was to suggest that Kerry was not seeking advice from Kissinger, but that they would merely be at the same dinner together.

Two plus two equals four...all the protestations that further "evidence" is needed notwithstanding.

[blm]

103. Baloney - I noted the corpmedia spin as if Kissinger was called

to rescue Kerry and Obama, when he was already scheduled to be there for the FAPB meeting/dinner.

YOU needed to see it as something else so you could have the argument you wanted.

Weak.

[Enthusiast]

53. A lot of that lately?

It's a full time job. A real employment opportunity. Your tax dollar at work.

[blm]

63. Please show the lie in my post.

And the rest of your assumptions that DUers are paid to post are absurd.

[woo me with science]

69. +1000000

[woo me with science]

65. No kidding. Boards across the internet are infested with this sort of behavior now.

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as though it were debatable that 2+2=4.

This is how propaganda rolls.

[truedelphi]

10. Pathologies are hard to overcome. Can these people even help it?

And thanks for making it about the truth.

George Orwell said it best:
[h2][font color=red]"The further a society drifts from Truth, the more it will hate those who speak it." [/h2][/font color=red]

[blm]

26. You owe me an apology for calling me a liar

Foreign Affairs Policy Board

The Foreign Affairs Policy Board was launched in December 2011 to provide the Secretary of State, the Deputy Secretaries of State, and the Director of Policy Planning with independent, informed advice and opinion concerning matters of U.S. foreign policy. The Board serves in a solely advisory capacity, with an agenda shaped by the questions and concerns of the Secretary. Its discussions focus on assessing global threats and opportunities; identifying trends that implicate core national security interests; providing recommendations with respect to tools and capacities of the civilian foreign affairs agencies; defining priorities and strategic frameworks for U.S. foreign policy; and performing any other research and analysis of topics raised by the Secretary of State, the Deputy Secretaries, and the Director of Policy Planning.

The Board meets in a plenary session several times a year and is chartered to have up to 25 members. The Board comprises a distinguished, diverse, and bipartisan membership with a wide range of expertise and background, including past government service, academia, politics, development, and business. Strobe Talbott, President of the Brookings Institution and a former Deputy Secretary of State, serves as the Board’s Chair. He works closely with Secretary Kerry and his Policy Planning Director, David McKean , to coordinate the Board and its meetings.

[truedelphi]

29. Kerry was directed by the President or some one

to meet with Kissinger.

Whether Kissinger is also part of the board you' re talking about is not the point. I believe that you know that, and if that is the case, you are not telling the truth.

If you don't realize that, then I do apologize.

And in any event, if the President was as serious about sending a strong message to war criminals who advocate and allow and promote the use of illegal weapons against civilians as he claims to be while speechifying, then Obama should have seen to it that Kissinger was indicted for war crimes.

K. is a monster of a man who was in the loop of decisions made regarding use of napalm in Vietnam, the strategy of bombing the dikes that the rural Vietnamese needed to be safe from floods, using defoliating agents that to this day cause birth defects and cancers among both that population and also among aging service people in this country who had been deployed there.

None of these actions were legal, or decent. In fact those actions were an outrage. These actions resulted not in 400 deaths, as we saw in Syria, but in over six million people left dead, wounded or homeless.

Worst of all, to my way of thinking, is the story that an aide to K. tells:
Kissinger had insisted that bombs be hammering what was a civilian occupied area of Laos.

The aide informs K. that he needed to reconsider, as bombing a civilian area of villages in Laos was against the International norm and illegal according to Geneva Convention.

Henry simply smiled and told the aide not to worry about it. The aide for a moment thought it meant that Kissinger felt bad and was not going to target the same area again. But then the aide came to find out that Kissinger simply re-classified the area as a hostile area, and let further bombings proceed.

[blm]

38. The ENTIRE board was having a long scheduled meeting/dinner.

Kissinger was NOT called to be there specifically to help out on Syria the way the corpmedia is spinning it. There was no Bat signal sent by the Commissioner.


No one here needs to lecture me about the evils of Kissinger - I've been posting about them here for over a decade.

[woo me with science]

50. You are still brazenly trying to mislead.

38. The ENTIRE board was having a long scheduled meeting/dinner.

You avoid that Kerry had a meeting with Kissinger alone to talk about Syria yesterday afternoon.

Shame on you.

[blm]

56. Baloney - I was talking about the corpmedia spin as if Kissinger was called

specially to come in and save the day on Syria which is absurd.

He wasn't. He was already scheduled to be there for the FAPB meeting/dinner. Because media is playing it up like Kerry and Obama put up the Bat-signal specifically for Kissinger.

Why do you find that to be a lie? Why do you even WANT it to be a lie?

In fact...why don't you point out the specific lie in my post that you felt free to call me a liar?

[woo me with science]

57. How thoroughly embarrassing for you. nt

[blm]

60. You should be apologizing to me but, you haven't the integrity.

.

[blm]

22. I'm not. You're failing the accuracy test. I've been saying the corpmedia

is making it out as if Kissinger was desperately called to help. Kissinger was going there anyway for the Foreign Affairs Policy Board meeting and the dinner afterwards. It is unremarkable that a Sec of State would include a meeting with a 90yo Kissinger, who, btw, I despise every bit as much as anyone here.

If you believe the corpmedia spinning it as if Kissinger was Batman, and Kerry was Gordon, then suit yourself.

It is apparent that Kerry has been handling the entire situation just fine without any desperate call for the superhero the media sees.

You should be ashamed of yourself for calling me a liar.

[woo me with science]

23. That was just sad.

Your post speaks for itself, blm.

[blm]

28. Then prove that you're correct. Don't call me a liar when I proved otherwise

that Kissinger was already attending the FAPB meeting and dinner.

He was not called out of some desperation by Obama and Kerry the way the corpmedia is spinning it.

Your trust in corpmedia spin is sad.

[woo me with science]

31. Res ipsa loquitur.

Don't be absurd, and don't insult the intelligence of everyone here.

[blm]

34. Educate me. Tell me the 'lie' in my post.

.

[woo me with science]

43. Your post was clear. My response was clear.

Now you are playing the "extend the subthread with bullshit" game.

Thank you for this demonstration of the low and shameless tactics of the propaganda machine.

[blm]

44. Your avoidance tactic won't work. Where is the lie?

You can't call people liars and then fail to show the lie.

[truedelphi]

7. The acronym's meaning?

What does FAPB stand for?

Google says: Florida Associated Press Broadcasters College Awards -
acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/Florida+Associated+Press+Broadcasters...?
Definition of Florida Associated Press Broadcasters College Awards

Second suggested meaning: Filamentous Anoxygenic Phototrophic Bacteria - What does FAPB ...
acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/Filamentous+Anoxygenic+Phototrophic..

Or it could be Fools, Asswipes, Pedophiles and Bankers, but so far the neo liberals have not been that transparent.

Can you clue us in?

[blm]

16. Foreign Affairs Policy Board. It started having annual meetings under Clinton.

Foreign Affairs Policy Board

The Foreign Affairs Policy Board was launched in December 2011 to provide the Secretary of State, the Deputy Secretaries of State, and the Director of Policy Planning with independent, informed advice and opinion concerning matters of U.S. foreign policy. The Board serves in a solely advisory capacity, with an agenda shaped by the questions and concerns of the Secretary. Its discussions focus on assessing global threats and opportunities; identifying trends that implicate core national security interests; providing recommendations with respect to tools and capacities of the civilian foreign affairs agencies; defining priorities and strategic frameworks for U.S. foreign policy; and performing any other research and analysis of topics raised by the Secretary of State, the Deputy Secretaries, and the Director of Policy Planning.

The Board meets in a plenary session several times a year and is chartered to have up to 25 members. The Board comprises a distinguished, diverse, and bipartisan membership with a wide range of expertise and background, including past government service, academia, politics, development, and business. Strobe Talbott, President of the Brookings Institution and a former Deputy Secretary of State, serves as the Board’s Chair. He works closely with Secretary Kerry and his Policy Planning Director, David McKean , to coordinate the Board and its meetings.

[woo me with science]

55. And Kerry met one-on-one with Kissinger yesterday to discuss Syria,

all your attempted obfuscation and pointing to "dinners" and "the entire board" notwithstanding.

[blm]

59. So, you're saying the corpmedia spinning Kissinger into Batman is acceptable

to you because you are certain that Kerry and Obama were in desperate need of 90yo Kissinger's advice on Syria. But, you don't find it acceptable that I think the corpmedia is full of shit for spinning this meeting as a desperate call out to media hero figure Kissinger, when it was added and SANDWICHED between a FAPB meeting/dinner that he was already attending....and, in fact...you took it further and claimed I lied.

What is your damage, Heather?

[niyad]

105. which is it? started under clinton, or formed in 2011. last I checked, clinton was not president

in 2011.

[blm]

107. Sec of State HILLARY CLINTON. It's a State Dept. program.

She formed it.

Surely you haven't forgotten that HRC was Sec of State for four years.

[niyad]

109. no, I haven't forgotten, but nice try at the insult.

[blm]

111. It was appropriate reply to this: "which is it? started under clinton, or formed in 2011...

... last I checked, clinton was not president in 2011."

You were let off easy.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

91. Fools, Asswipes, Pedophiles and Bankers. I love it!

It sounds like what they'd rename the GOP after focus groups told them they needed to be more honest.

[avaistheone1]

11. It appears like he is looking for Kissinger's advice.

http://election.democraticunderground.com/10023649540

[blm]

108. Media is playing it that way, but, FAPB was scheduled long ago

with a meeting and dinner of the ENTIRE board. Kerry meeting with 90yo Kissinger at some point in-between is most likely a State Dept. courtesy. You wouldn't know it from the way the corpmedia is playing it, as if Kissinger was CALLED to come to the State Dept to help.

Kerry and Lavrov don't need advice from Kissinger on Syria - they've been on the same page regarding Syria issues since before the chem attack, and have been prepared for their roles in leveraging Syria from both sides.

http://www.rferl.org/content/syria-lavrov-kerry-geneva/25071543.html
August 10, 2013

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov says he and U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry have agreed on the need to start a Syrian peace conference in Geneva as soon as possible.

Lavrov made the remarks after talks in Washington on August 9 with Kerry.

Lavrov said he and Kerry agreed they should meet again by the end of August to prepare for the proposed Geneva talks.

Kerry said Russia and the United States needed to find ways to work around their differences on Syria’s civil war, and to make progress on missile defense, Afghanistan, and nuclear disputes with Iran and North Korea.
>>>>>

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. You mean the meeting behind closed doors was a dinner

m'kay

[blm]

18. Point being that Kissinger was going to be there anyway. It is not

surprising that Kissinger was met with between the meeting and the dinner.

The point is that Kissinger wasn't CALLED to come to the State Department specifically and the way the corpmedia is reporting it like they called Batman. Kerryand Lavrov have already been on the same page regarding Syria, even as late as Aug.10 before the chem attacks.

http://www.rferl.org/content/syria-lavrov-kerry-geneva/25071543.html

August 10, 2013
Lavrov, Kerry 'Agree On Need' For Syria Peace Conference
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov says he and U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry have agreed on the need to start a Syrian peace conference in Geneva as soon as possible.

Lavrov made the remarks after talks in Washington on August 9 with Kerry.

Lavrov said he and Kerry agreed they should meet again by the end of August to prepare for the proposed Geneva talks.

Kerry said Russia and the United States needed to find ways to work around their differences on Syria’s civil war, and to make progress on missile defense, Afghanistan, and nuclear disputes with Iran and North Korea.
>>>>>

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. You know, the thruth is that if Kissinger recomended

a wine for dinner, it should be rejected outright.

He is a war criminal, and Kerry asking for advise from a man who belongs on the docket should itself be problematic to you.

[blm]

32. The corpmedia is spinning it like that, though it's apparent Kerry already

has been on the same page with Lavrov for some time now, and certainly before the chem attacks.

Why is it important for you to trust the corpmedia spinning this as if Kissinger was Batman and Kerry and Obama the hapless govt. officials?

I'm glad the occasion is giving an opportunity to air Kissinger's lengthy history, but, the notion that a 90yo Kissinger is going to be Batman on Syria is absurd - this is corpmedia's way of making Kerry and Obama see feckless on Syria when it's apparent they've been on top of it with Russia for longer than most realized.

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. Whatever, they are not that good

nor that hapless.

Those who study diplomatic history know that some of it is serendipity.

Have an excellent day.

[blm]

62. Y'know, nadin...you know I'm not a liar...

even when we disagree, integrity matters. I'm kinda surprised that you're OK with me being called a liar for my post when it was a solid observation on the corpmedia's Kissinger worship..

[nadinbrzezinski]

64. No you are not a liar

I think this is one more of perception than anything else. Kissinger should not even be invited to State.

[blm]

70. Clinton put him on the Policy Board.

And, I'm pretty sure you know how I feel about that.

[nadinbrzezinski]

72. Yeah, but that is one more reason why I will never vote for Hillary

in the primaries.

She is a neocon as well. I don't intend to do that.

[blm]

74. I've been furious about their roles since BCCI.

When Bill's book came out in 2004 and he never mentioned BCCI once in the book, it was pretty apparent what they were about.

Not to mention the summer book tour during an election year where he used his high profile interviews to 'vigorously defend' Bush's military leadership and the decision to invade Iraq.

[nadinbrzezinski]

77. Yeah but most do not remember that.

[blm]

102. I try to not let people forget it. ; )

But, there were a lot of threads where only a handful of us showed up over these many years.

[noiretextatique]

42. why?

why would Amy Goodman claim Obama and Kerry need Kissinger's help?

[blm]

47. Amy's responding to corpmedia's portrayal of the occasion

which has been that the Great Henry Kissinger is being called for help on Syria issue.

He was attending the FAPB meeting/dinner that was set up long ago. Of course, Kissinger doesn't deserve the courtesy of a meeting, even at age 90, but the corpmedia spin on this as if Kissinger's advice is desperately NEEDED is absurd, and was the entire point of my post for which I am now being called a liar.

[noiretextatique]

48. thanks eom

[grahamhgreen]

92. "corpmedia" - when they start using these ultra cutsie made up words and slogans - it's a think tank

[blm]

101. Are you out of your mind? DUs been using 'corpmedia' for over a decade.

You guys are just REACHING for something to attack, because the information I posted is CORRECT and my criticism was focused on the corpmedia elevating Kissinger's presence there, giving it an undue weight and significance.

[rusty fender]

5. Right on, Amy!

[NuclearDem]

6. Emphatic K&R.

[woo me with science]

8. K&R. Thank you, Amy Goodman.

[polichick]

12. It is very telling that Americans like Kissinger and others...

never stand in a court of law.

Why is that, in this land of "liberty and justice for all"???

[avaistheone1]

13. Because they are exceptional

and we are an exceptional country.

[polichick]

14. Yeah, exceptionally full of sh....I mean propaganda!

[avaistheone1]

24. Good news our invisible friends at the NSA

by consensus agree your statement has a major element of truthiness.

[blm]

33. Kissinger was called to testify in Drogoul case and within days Drogoul's

lawyer talked him into pleading guilty and taking a light sentence in exchange for the plea. He was 35. A short time later he was said to have died in prison from 'natural causes'....oddly, the prison didn't release the news of his death until 2 weeks had passed.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

17. When Kerry and Kissinger talked, do you ever wonder who talked more ponderously?

It's something that they have in common.

Maybe that's a reason why Kerry appears to like Kissinger instead of being repelled by criminality.

[leftstreet]

19. DURec

[Uncle Joe]

21. Well at least the Obama Administration is consistent,

if you're going to let Cheney, Bush and Rumsfield off their war crimes, you might as well embrace the Dark Side all the way and it give it big sloppy French Kiss.

[Cleita]

30. Thank you Amy.

Until then, he should be shunned, not honored or consulted by the Washington establishment, for the blood on his hands.

[gopiscrap]

36. Good for Goodman, I fully agree.

[AzDar]

37. K & R

[ProSense]

39. Kissinger has close ties to Putin and Russia

Kerry Consults Kissinger on Getting to Yes With Russians

By Indira A.R. Lakshmanan

Secretary of State John Kerry is consulting Henry Kissinger, the 90-year-old embodiment of Cold War foreign policy, before heading off to negotiate with his Russian counterpart over Syria’s chemical weapons.

After meeting today with former Secretary Kissinger at the State Department, Kerry will bring other U.S.-Russia specialists on his plane when he flies to Geneva for two days of meetings starting tomorrow with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, according to a U.S. official who asked not to be identified because he wasn’t authorized to comment.

<...>

Though the meeting with Kissinger was planned before the latest developments in Syria, Kerry was eager to draw on the older man’s experience in communicating effectively with Russian diplomats, the U.S. official said. Kissinger pioneered the policy of détente with the Soviet Union and served as secretary of State and national security adviser to Republican President Richard Nixon. The U.S. official described Kerry as a fan of Kissinger’s 1994 book, “Diplomacy.”

<...>

Early last year, Kissinger met in Moscow to discuss world affairs with Russian leader Vladimir Putin, whose press secretary described the men as “old friends” and said that they had previously met eight to 10 times, including over dinner at Kissinger’s home in New York...In Putin’s book “First Person,” he recounted a conversation with Kissinger in the early 1990s when Putin, then an aide to the mayor of St. Petersburg, picked up the German-born American diplomat at the airport.

Kissinger impressed Putin by saying that he too got his start as an intelligence specialist, and that former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev withdrew his nation’s forces from Eastern Europe too quickly.

“I told him what I thought and I will repeat it now: Kissinger was right,” Putin wrote.

- more -

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-09-11/kerry-consults-kissinger-on-getting-to-yes-with-old-foe-russians

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023649540

[blm]

52. That's STILL corpmedia talking Kissinger up to make him a hero

when Kerry and Obama have been doing just fine.

They are playing it like Kissinger is Batman just so they can make it sound like Kerry NEEDS his help.

Kissinger was scheduled to be there already with that FAPB meeting/dinner. No big deal that the 90yo press darling was given the courtesy, though, I'd rather he be courteously walked to a prison cell.

It's the corpmedia SPIN on Kissinger as hero being there that completely irritates me.

[rhett o rick]

99. Interesting who is buddying up to Putin now. Putin and Mr. K(ill) are war criminals. Why

would Pres Obama trust either one?

[treestar]

114. "experience in communicating with Russian diplomats"

so it has nothing even to do with policy!

[Wolf Frankula]

41. The Only Thing I want to hear Kissinger Say is the Answer to The Question

"Do you have anything to say before this court pronounces sentence?"

Wolf

[DevonRex]

45. Sigh. Two GOOD reasons Kerry talked to Kissinger.

1. Scare the fuck out of Putin.
2. Kissinger negotiated SALT 1 & ABM Treaty with the USSR, conducted trilateral negotiations USSR and China, and Detente with the USSR.

Putin is a fucking sociopath and Kissinger just might have some insight in how to deal with one. Fill in the blanks yourself here.

[Heywood J]

93. OK.

Answer: The same way that one deals with Kissinger.

Did I fill it in correctly?

[DevonRex]

96. You did it perfectly.

I think he has more than "insight" shall we say. Kissinger and Putin both have dead eyes, expressionless voices and faces. And the atrocities... It is not easy dealing with those people.

On the flip side, he does have experience that can be useful in direct negotiations with Russians and dangerous weapons. Use him and then take 5 showers. Try not to throw up.

[Boom Sound 416]

46. I've met him a couple times

Funny accent.

[geek tragedy]

49. Kind of like consulting Hannibal Lecter to

catch a serial killer.

[TheKentuckian]

58. That's fine. Do it at the prison.

[geek tragedy]

61. Agreed. nt

[Coyotl]

66. And his bosses - George Bush Sr. May Face Charges: Conspiring to Kidnap and Murder

George Bush Sr. May Face Charges: Conspiring to Kidnap and Murder Political Activists
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2459135

[adirondacker]

67. Amy doesn't mince words. BIG K&R! nt

[DirkGently]

68. Not helping the "tolerant of war criminals" image, Mr. President.

[Fumesucker]

78. Welcome to DU!

Bear in mind that Kissinger has actually engaged in conspiracy to unnecessarily extend a devastating war, believing he might possibly be involved in another conspiracy regarding war is hardly a stretch.

[Fumesucker]

84. If anyone has good reason to loathe Kissinger it should be Kerry

How do you ask someone to die not just for a mistake but for a deliberate lie?

[Fumesucker]

86. Kill one person and it's murder, kill a million and it's an indiscretion

To paraphrase Stalin.

[Fumesucker]

88. Kerry damaged his own credibility by appearing to be solicitous of Henry the K

There isn't anyone much more loathed by the old timers of the left in the USA than Kissinger, certainly no one still wasting oxygen.

Stalin at least had the good grace to take the long dirt nap, Kissinger has yet to accomplish even that much in expiation for his manifold and grievous sins.

[Fuddnik]

89. My mother used to work with a man with fewer "indescretions" than Kissinger.

His name was John Demjanjuk.

[Fuddnik]

97. No bozo.

She worked on the same production line at Ford Motors before they arrested him for war crimes.

It's not a stretch to say Kissinger has more blood on his hands than a Treblinka Death Camp guard.

And for the record, I was in from '69-71.

[Nevernose]

73. I thought that fucker was dead years ago

I'm a little bummed now.

[truebluegreen]

75. Word.

[idwiyo]

76. K&R Abso-fucking-lutely!

[Tveil]

79. It was an unbelievably small conversation n/t

[HooptieWagon]

80. Kissinger- the new hero of DU's "faith-based" group.

Now embracing a war criminal responsible for the deaths of 100s of thousands....epic fail.

[orpupilofnature57]

81. Trickie Dicks Guru, extended Nam for votes in '72

[xiamiam]

94. this truth is good enough..even if we dont like it..thank you amy goodman..nt

[duffyduff]

95. He's 90 years old. Nothing is going to happen to him--at least in this life. n/t

[JEB]

98. He deserves the same end as his look-alike,

Jabba the Hut.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

100. I'd get advice from him to do the opposite.

[formercia]

104. Kissinger is a War Criminal

That is all....

[niyad]

106. I believe it was tom lehrer who, on learning that kissinger had been awarded the nobel peace prize,

announced that he was retiring, because political satire was dead.

[Oilwellian]

110. Instead, the New Democrats celebrate him

Henry Kissinger’s 90th birthday party on Monday night at New York’s most glamorous dining room in Manhattan’s St. Regis Hotel drew an astonishing lineup of luminaries, including former secretaries of state Hillary Clinton and Condoleezza Rice, former French president Valéry Giscard D’Estaing, former chief of staff James Baker, former secretary of state Colin Powell, Gen. David Petraeus, and former defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld. Many of them, such as a visiting French dignitary fresh off a plane from Paris at the age of 103, proved that 90 is the new 30. Former president Bill Clinton, former secretary of state George Shultz, and current Secretary of State John Kerry all came to the podium to toast what Kerry called America’s “indispensable statesman,” as did as Kissinger’s two children, David and Elizabeth.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/04/john-mccain-s-surprising-toast-at-kissinger-s-90th-birthday-party.html


“Kerry,” mouthed the photographer, as a line of security guards formed a pathway under the smaller entryway. Teresa Heinz Kerry, in a white blazer, got out of a black sedan, and her husband, Secretary of State John Kerry, came around from the other side. The two walked in together with a gaggle of security and miscellaneous entourage. Just a little earlier, Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice, who once vied for the secretary-of-State gig in her own right, had arrived. Nancy Kissinger had sent the word out through her girlfriends over the weekend, “If you have jewelry, this is the night to get it out of the bank.” And they did. The Alfalfa Club dinner crowd in tiaras was the order of the night.


Hillary Clinton (third from right) arrives with Oscar de la Renta (third from left) at the St. Regis hotel in New York City on June 3. (Nina Strochlic)

Inside, guests reported, a mariachi band played, and Kissinger was regaled with a slew of speeches. Kerry called him an “indispensable statesman,” and David and Elizabeth Kissinger separately paid tribute to their dad in front of an audience that included Gen. David Petraeus, former secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, Fox News president Roger Ailes, and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

...
So, who regaled Kissinger with the best speech? “Bill Clinton, as always,” former ambassador William vanden Heuveland said. The former president was the grand finale, apparently assuring the crowd, “I’m the last speaker, so you can all kind of relax.”

The Board Kerry met with on the same day:

The Foreign Affairs Policy Board was launched in December 2011 to provide the Secretary of State, the Deputy Secretaries of State, and the Director of Policy Planning with independent, informed advice and opinion concerning matters of U.S. foreign policy. The Board serves in a solely advisory capacity, with an agenda shaped by the questions and concerns of the Secretary. Its discussions focus on assessing global threats and opportunities; identifying trends that implicate core national security interests; providing recommendations with respect to tools and capacities of the civilian foreign affairs agencies; defining priorities and strategic frameworks for U.S. foreign policy; and performing any other research and analysis of topics raised by the Secretary of State, the Deputy Secretaries, and the Director of Policy Planning.

The Board meets in a plenary session several times a year and is chartered to have up to 25 members. The Board comprises a distinguished, diverse, and bipartisan membership with a wide range of expertise and background, including past government service, academia, politics, development, and business. Strobe Talbott, President of the Brookings Institution and a former Deputy Secretary of State, serves as the Board’s Chair. He works closely with Secretary Kerry and his Policy Planning Director, David McKean , to coordinate the Board and its meetings.

Current members are:

Mr. Liaquat Ahamed
Ms. Ann Fudge
Dr. Helene Gayle
Ms. Nina Hachigian
Mr. Stephen Hadley
The Honorable Jane Harman
Ambassador Carla Hills
Mr. Alberto Ibarguen
Dr. Robert Kagan
Dr. Rachel Kleinfeld
The Honorable Jim Kolbe
Dr. Stephen Krasner
Ms. Ellen Laipson
Mr. Thomas McLarty
Admiral Michael Mullen
Dr. Vali Nasr
Ambassador John Negroponte
Ms. Jacqueline Novogratz
Ambassador Thomas Pickering
Mr. John Podesta
Dr. Anne-Marie Slaughter
Mr. James Steinberg
Mr. Strobe Talbott
Dr. Laura Tyson
Mr. Rich Verma

See any other war criminals on this list? I do.

On edit: Thank you Catherina for originally providing the link to the Kissinger birthday bash.

[niyad]

112. I almost spit out my coffee reading that list. please, dear goddess, tell me you are making this up

[Oilwellian]

115. Here's the link

Considering the council was created by Hillary, I would imagine a number of members were hand-picked by her:

http://www.state.gov/s/p/fapb/c50662.htm

[niyad]

116. I was really hoping you were making it up. that list is sickening.

[blm]

117. Hopefully this will be the LAST time this ever has to happen again.

Was just wondering a while ago what more will be revealed once both Kissinger and Poppy Bush pass on.

[adirondacker]

118. WOW! WTF! nt

[Catherina]

119. You're welcome. I got so sick reading about that. It's a big club and we ain't in it. n/t

[woo me with science]

120. Wow.

Just wow. This, with the connection to HRC, is OP-worthy.

[treestar]

113. On what charge?

Even if you disagree with the US helping out Allende's opponents, on what ground is that a crime?

And Kissinger is fucking 90 years old right now. So what's the hate for?

Why shouldn't Kerry talk to him as well as others? It doesn't mean Kerry will imbibe every thought or emotion of Kissinger's lock, stock and barrel.

This is like saying talking to Ayers would make Obama a communist.

[Comrade Grumpy]

121. Where to begin?

How about co-conspirator in crimes against humanity for the mass murder of thousands of Chileans?

How about co-conspirator in crimes against humanity for Operation Condor (look it up)?

How about co-conspirator in crimes against humanity for his role in the Kurdish rebellion against Saddam Hussein?

This guy has corpses coming out his mouth. I don't care how old he is.

[TBF]

122. Is that war criminal still alive? smh ... nt

[blackspade]

124. Kissinger is a rat.