"Centrist Hero" Barack Obama Promotes Homophobic Hatemongers.

[last1standing]

Since some have decided that sending a tweet amounts to promotion and association I think it's important to look back at who our president really has supported and promoted.

Warren Inauguration Prayer Could Draw More Ire
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/31/warren-inauguration-praye_n_154446.html

Rick Warren refuses to oppose Uganda’s “Kill the Gays” bill
http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/11/29/16987

Obama Criticized Over Singer
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/22/obama-criticized-over-singer/?_r=0

Then when you think that Obama actually shook hands with this guy...



and that guy did this:

Vladimir Putin signs anti-gay propaganda bill
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/10151790/Vladimir-Putin-signs-anti-gay-propaganda-bill.html

Scary the people Obama hangs out with isn't it?

Personally, I don't think of Barak Obama as a homophobe. However those who believe that Greenwald supports hate because he sent out a tweet would never be so hypocritical as to suggest this is "different," would they?

[whatchamacallit]

1. Fair game

[sharp_stick]

2. Provide some context please

don't assume that all of us follow you around knowing what the heck you're talking about.

At the very least provide the original "tweet of shame".

[msanthrope]

3. Someone dissed Glenn Greenwald. nt

[DevonRex]

25. You know what they did to you last time you

voiced an opinion. That sucked. It was wrong. Very wrong.

[Cha]

175. At least they coughed up that their hero, Putin, is a "homophobic hatemonger".

[cui bono]

180. Whose hero? n/t

[bvar22]

188. They're at the point where all they can do is just makes stuff up.

Along with Pioneer 10, they have left the Solar System where rational discussion of REAL events takes place,
and have boldly gone to the Fantasy World of Just Make Stuff Up.

[cui bono]

192. Seroiusly, that last week it just shifted into overdrive!

It's insane.

I would be embarrassed if this were a board I was running. And I would get some serious moderation going. I can only imagine the threads that are being posted over at Freeperville just to laugh at us.

[bvar22]

195. I think someone Alerted on my above post.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

This person jumps into the thread a day late just to launch a really needless personal attack on a poster who had the unmitigated gall to say something bad about Glen Greenwald. Nasty, needless and unprovoked to boot.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Sep 13, 2013, 01:04 PM, and the Jury voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: agree with the alerter
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: meh. don't see this as hideworthy
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: Frankly, I'm tired of the sniping on this board. We disagree on many things and should act like adults. This comment was uncalled for...debate the statement not the person making it.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: .
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Go shit in your hat alerter.

LOL.

[last1standing]

4. Here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023652777

[BeyondGeography]

5. McClurkin

We were all so much younger then.

[MineralMan]

6. And, on the other hand, DADT is no more, and

marriage equality is making strides. Obama clearly is no homophobe, and the examples you provided are years old. As for shaking hands with Putin, they are both heads of state. Heads of state shake hands.

Greenwald is certainly not a homophobe, but has just now promoted an organization for which homophobia is part of its mission.

There is a failure of equivalency in your post. Sorry.

[last1standing]

8. Obama supported those homophobes to a far greater extent than Greenwald promoted hate groups.

Since you denounce one, please show some decency and denounce the other in no uncertain terms.

[MineralMan]

11. Ah. I don't take orders well.

Sorry, but I can't comply. President Obama has demonstrated his support for the LGBT community directly.

[last1standing]

13. "Please" is not an order, but I understand you have a hero to protect.

[lumpy]

134. Snappy comeback. Not

[last1standing]

137. LOL! The irony of your 'take down' is delicious. "Not"

[SidDithers]

7. Showing your true colours...

nice.

Sid

[last1standing]

9. Deep, informative post as usual, Sid.

[Segami]

27. LOL!

[whatchamacallit]

22. When you getting back to your true colors?

[Cha]

162. Yeah, but glenn greenwald is still a

"ratfucker

Web definitions

Dirty tricks are unethical, duplicitous, slanderous or illegal tactics employed to destroy or diminish the effectiveness of political or business opponents." ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratfucker

[NOVA_Dem]

10. AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

At Thu Sep 12, 2013, 11:46 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

"Centrist Hero" Barak Obama Promotes Homophobic Hatemongers.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023654100

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

Obama does not support and condone anti-LGBT laws. The OP is inappropriate.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Sep 12, 2013, 11:51 AM, and the Jury voted 1-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: The OP forgot Donnie McClurkin:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/10/29/obama-supporter-god-delivered-me-from-homosexuality/
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Doesn't say Obama supports anti gay laws,just people that may do so.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: It's a bit of cross thread sarcasm. A bit of hyperbole to make a larger point. It's not about LGBT laws at all.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

I was the one that brought up McClurkin. Obama had no problem keeping gays at arms length when he thought it was the safest thing to do.

[last1standing]

12. Thanks for the vote and the post :)

And I didn't forget McClurkin; he's the third link down.

[ProSense]

14. Report: Obama To Meet With LGBT Rights Groups In Russia

Report: Obama To Meet With LGBT Rights Groups In Russia
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023581656

Pentagon To Announce Equal Benefits For Married Gay Couples
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023461008

Thanks, Obama >> updated, Edith Windsor reacts
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023101179

Also, it's "Barack" Obama.

[last1standing]

15. OMG! My keyboard didn't register a "c!" I'll fix that now.

And thanks for proving that guilt by association is bullshit. I'm sure you'll mention that in the other thread, right?

Hello?

Hello?

[ProSense]

26. Sure, blame the "keyboard"

"And thanks for proving that guilt by association is bullshit. "

Oh, the friggin irony.

[last1standing]

28. Yes. My secret agenda is to undermine Obama by leaving the C out of his first name.

You get more clever and insightful by the minute. How will we forces of darkness ever compete with your mental agility?

[ProSense]

36. "Personally, I don't think of Barak Obama as a homophobe."

You just decided to post a ridiculous OP implying that.

[last1standing]

37. You're so smart you saw right through my wicked plan. Drats!

n/t

[zeemike]

74. But you do think of Green wald as a libertarian?

and you know far less about him than Obama?
Funny how that works just the opposite of what you would think.

[PoliticAverse]

81. The implied ridiculosity appeared to be the point, which you seem to have missed. n/t

[Cha]

164. Yes, President Barack Obama actually champions Gay Rights.. while

glenn greenwald really is a

"ratfucker

Web definitions

Dirty tricks are unethical, duplicitous, slanderous or illegal tactics employed to destroy or diminish the effectiveness of political or business opponents. ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratfucker"

[sheshe2]

170. ...

[Mojorabbit]

181. I thought we were done with the ratfucker meme

a long time ago. It is like being trapped in Groundhog day. You all are spouting it in multiple threads again and it shows an appalling lack of having anything intelligent or meaningful to add to the conversation.

[Capt. Obvious]

16. ah touche'

I noticed on the other thread that the phrase "grand dragon" must have been in today's talking points as it was used by multiple people.

[VanillaRhapsody]

61. that wasn't multiple people...that was me!

Unless I have unwittingly multiplied!

[Capt. Obvious]

66. Wasn't just you - though you used it multiple times in that thread

The other DUer is using it in another thread. In my mind I just melded the two threads.

[last1standing]

97. You were right. This poster used it as well.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023652777#post106

And I responded to that.

[Hydra]

17. Official re-write is that the President always supported LBGT equality

And that Glenn Greenwald is a dirty LBGTer who is a RW Libertarian Paulbot and national security threat(spy? terrorist?) working for Wikileaks and Putin.

They need a Winston Smith to do better rewrites.

[Douglas Carpenter]

18. I suppose following their logic the Pope is promoting both communism and rightwing death squads

[Catherina]

19. Unfortunately too many of us were paying attention at the time, before the rewrite. Rec'd n/t

[noiretextatique]

20. oh yes, Obama is so much more homophobic than Bush 2

or Bush 1 or Ronald Reagan or the rest yet another post about the hope for a magical negro in the white house.

[last1standing]

21. So you support 'limited' homophobia?

I don't think Obama is homophobic at all but since he hangs out with them there are many on this site who must think he is.

At least they think so when Greenwald sends a tweet.

[noiretextatique]

29. when there is no racism in the gay community

feel free to take me to task about homophobia in the black community, which is the underlying theme of this and other posts on DU I've seen in the LGBT forum. until then, my black, lesbian self will enjoy the benefits of Obama's presidency, while acknowledging that he is far from perfect. gay marriage with federal benefits, and the end of dadt are far more important to me then his pandering to assholes. and: please inform me of ANY American president with a better record on gay rights than Obama. i will eagerly await your response.

[last1standing]

32. What a stupid, hateful post.

One does not make the other right. I don't care if you're black, lesbian, Texan, or mentally impaired. Hatred is hatred and you don't get to choose which is acceptable.

Disgusting. Seriously disgusting.

[last1standing]

49. How cute, personal abuse. You're a very nice, mature human being, aren't you?

n/t

[noiretextatique]

53. stupid, hateful

yeah...that's real friendly. again, I challenge you to name an American president who has done more for gay people than Obama. of course: you can't.

[last1standing]

55. I was commenting on your post, not you.

Your comments were vile and the follow up was worse.

Some have no self-respect or shame.

[noiretextatique]

62. do you deny there is racism in the gay community?

if not, I don't see why you have a problem with my post. I don't deny there is homophobia in the black community, but I do take issue with the notion that black people are more homophobic than white people. and I do believe THAT is, and has been, and underlying theme in the white gay community, and I do believe it is an unfair one.

[last1standing]

63. No, and there's homophobia in the black community. Still doesn't make your post less hateful.

n/t

[Catherina]

174. This is important. "PUBLIC APOLOGY to last1standing"

noiretextatique (22,176 posts) 40. PUBLIC APOLOGY to last1standing

I badly misread a thread you started and said some terrible things based on my misreading. I sincerely apologize to you, and to DU for my stupid, disrespectful words. I hope to see you around here more often. Again, please accept my sincere apologies. Up to 50 on my wet noodle lashes

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023655909#post40

and when last1standing responds, I'll post it here too since they're both unable to post in this thread.

[Number23]

140. Since you've decided to apologize to this person for the nasty things they said to you

Last edited Thu Sep 12, 2013, 08:31 PM - Edit history (1)

all up and down this thread for reasons I will never understand, I'm editing my post.

God, this place is bizarre.

[last1standing]

146. Awww.... Number 23 doesn't love me anymore.

I can't tell you how heartbroken I am that you don't like me.

[Number23]

148. I've never even seen your name before today. Have never paid you even the slightest bit of

attention. But I know it now.

[last1standing]

149. I'm scared.... so scared. What might Number 23 do now that she knows me?

I'll hire bodyguards at once.

[Number23]

150. Judging by your posts, your first hire should be a charm instructor that loves a challenge

And maybe a few remedial educators. You do that and the bodyguards may not even be necessary.

[last1standing]

152. Yes, while your barely intelligible insults exude charm and elegance.

Not very clever or well thought out, but very tasteful.

[Number23]

158. Apparently I misread the 100 or so insults and flamebaiting from the OP to so I'm editing

Last edited Thu Sep 12, 2013, 08:36 PM - Edit history (2)

Seems they've been given permission to carry on so I guess they'll do just that.

[lumpy]

142. Hypocrisy at work. You do it well.

[last1standing]

145. LOL! You're going to comment on every post I made in this thread, aren't you?

All I can say is....

Please continue.

[lumpy]

157. Trying to keep you happy. You are getting the attention you seem to crave.

[lumpy]

138. Apparently all you care about is disrupting and posting petty arguments, one of those who have

diminished the quality of DU postings for the benefit of your wanting ego. Hard to believe that you take a real interest in the betterment of humanity or anything more than your own ego.
You should try to do something about that, form your own opinions. Reading helps.

[last1standing]

139. Ohhh! Insults from the "take-down" master!

I shall run and hide because "lumpy" said mean things to me.

[noiretextatique]

47. what is homophobic about marriage equality

or the end of DOMA?

[lumpy]

141. And no one should repond to your posts for the same reason. Who really cares.

[last1standing]

143. For once I agree with you.

If you're rude to me, I'll be rude in return. If you don't like it, don't respond. I'm very happy either way.

And yes, who really cares?

[William769]

155. And the jury has spoken.

[Cha]

166. Sweet!

[lumpy]

161. That was an invitation to respond, because I don't give a hoot what you have to say to me.

[fascisthunter]

202. lol... Bush is a bad comparison to exonerate anybody of homophobia

[11 Bravo]

23. If you are unaware that Barack Obama has been the most LGBT friendly President in US history ...

then I am astonished that you are bright enough to operate a computer. If, on the other hand, you are aware of that fact and choose to post this drivel anyway, then perhaps you have a different agenda. Hmmmm ... whatever could it be?

[last1standing]

24. So you don't support guilt by association?

So many of your comrades do. Will you go here and correct them?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023652777

[11 Bravo]

30. I do not, and while I believe Greenwald is a self-agrandizing jerk, I have not attacked him ...

on the "guilt by association" front. That does, however, appear to be a tactic that you favor.

[last1standing]

33. Nope. I favor pointing out that guilt by association is asinine.

But you want to attack me for using your hero in the process? I'm cool with that.

[11 Bravo]

44. And there it is, "my HERO". Naturally, you can't point to one fucking post of mine that ...

could even remotely be construed as hero-worship, but that's all you've got. It's a sophomoric and intellectually lazy argument, but now that I think about it, I guess that makes it a perfect fit for you.

[last1standing]

79. I have to admit not really caring what you think after your initial post.

You can't expect to be rude and not have it flung back at you.

[noiretextatique]

31. it's absolutely INSANE

thank you for noticing.

[Cha]

167. The "agenda" is to get back at President Barack Obama supporters for

being mean to greenwad for pointing out..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3651250

But, he's just making himself look .. like greenwald.

[Whisp]

34. yeh, Greenwald, the President of Ratfuck

should be given the same lee way as a President whose stated that diplomacy works better than what Bush the Ratfucker did.

sure!

[last1standing]

35. Awww! Whisp can call people names. How very clever and adult.

And you don't address the subject of guilt by association. How expected.

[Whisp]

45. If Obama can't talk or meet with anyone

who has ever had a blemish, then how can he do his Presidentin'?

the comparison to Greenwaldo is just plain idiotic.

[last1standing]

65. So homophobia is merely "a blemish." Thanks for pointing that out.

We all knew where you stood but it's good to get these things out in the open. Don't you agree?

[Whisp]

69. so then what say you about Snowden and his view that this Putin guy is

all for human rights... much better human rights that the regressive U.S.

and Greenwaldo seems to share this sentiment too.

They both seem to respect Putin. And throw in Assange into that dogpile, and every other Fuck Ron Pauler.

How does that make sense in your teeny tiny little book?

[last1standing]

70. It's just "a blemish," right?

We can't hold the blemish of homophobia against anyone can we? You must agree since you just told me that.

[Whisp]

88. and we must agree that Greenwaldo doesn't have the

responsibiiities of a President. did I really have to say this? GG is only looking after his own selfish jackwagony.

oiy.

[last1standing]

92. "Responsible" people are allowed to be homophobic?

Amazing the shit you come up with.

[Whisp]

96. you are making no sense at all.

but I think you know that.

comparing the responsibilities and obligations of a President, and all the unpleasantries attached to that is not comparable to Greenwaldo and his great burdens weighing in on him constantly - like checking up how his donation pay pal account is doing.

[last1standing]

99. What makes no sense is how those calling homophobia "a blemish"

can not get banned.

But this is the New DU and so long as it's a "responsible" person supporting the homophobia, it's a-ok.

[Whisp]

106. I don't know how you got to there, from that other there...

but I know how these games work here.

you are calling me a homophobe, for some stupid ass reason, but yet if I even hinted that anyone here could be a *gasp, racist, I would be called out in 1 second.

but false accusations of homophobia seem to be the memo going around lately. I guess it's Plan G when plan A to F didn't work out so well for all the anti-stasi saviours of the peace in the world.

[last1standing]

110. I never said any such thing.

I've merely let your comments speak for themselves. If they make you appear to be a homophobe, who am I do disagree?

[Cha]

171. It's the bully victim mentality, Whisp. it works in their circle jerk but that's all. nt

[fascisthunter]

203. go find a cookie and some milk

nap time

[lumpy]

144. Wasting time aren't we. This person is only having fun posting crap so he will get some attention.

[Skidmore]

151. Whisp, I say you've identified the ultimate cadre of authoritarians

and what an unholy and bizarre alliance they are. Paul, Putin, and Greenwald, the Lords of Anarchy.

[VanillaRhapsody]

67. I wish someone would ask Greenwald how many tracking cookies that the Guardian uses

since he knows so much about the activities of the govt...shouldn't he know the answer to that? that's what kind of hypocrite he is...

[Marr]

94. That website cookie= NSA spying line was unbelievably lame the first time around.

You're embarrassing yourself.

[bvar22]

191. Embarrassing himself in public is not just his forte',

....it appears to be his singular ability.

[Bluenorthwest]

38. What's really informative is to poke around threads about marriage equality

or about Rick Warren from before Obama changed his position. The same folks who now claim to be the super friends to the gays were defending Warren, excusing vicious hate speech, and of course attacking other posters who criticized the policy, the language and the personnel.
Very informative.

[last1standing]

41. It's the exact same people.

Some under different names, but still the same posters.

They're also the same ones smearing Greenwald and Snowden with propaganda blog sites.

[MuseRider]

118. You bet they were

I remember all too well those days. Lost a lot of friends to the old TS then.

[theHandpuppet]

169. Touche'

They think we had forgotten.

[last1standing]

40. Yes it is.

But mostly its about all those posters who will use any excuse in their attempts to destroy anyone who looks at their hero the wrong way.

I'm loving how these people keep claiming that Obama's active support of homophobes is somehow "different."

[bunnies]

43. Wait...

are you saying that some are attacking Greenwald but defending Obama? Oh boy.

[FSogol]

42. Uh oh. Putin and Greenwald were insulted and somebody has a sad!

[bunnies]

48. ....

[JoePhilly]

189. Bwahahaha!

I love the "has a sad" thing ... first heard it on Stephanie Miller, and now my 14 year old daughter says it any time something goes wrong ... its hilarious.

[JoeyT]

50. Having just seen the "Guilt by association" OP,

I'd like to point out that you forgot the Saudis.



A country where being LGBT is punishable by death, which also bans "propaganda", but no one says a word to them about it.

[last1standing]

52. Good one! Thanks.

n/t

[AgingAmerican]

64. Obama also praised GW Bush

So, by their logic, Bush is his "Hero".



www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/president-george-w-bush-praises-president-obama-counterterrorism-immigration-reform-article-1.1392276

See, we can use the same logical fallacy!!

[TBF]

102. But they are just friends --

you have to go to his picture for the kissy kissy ...



(Yes, I know we all need the bottle of brain bleach now.)

[lumpy]

156. If Obama quit communicating with every world leader and their emissaries the US would not have a

voice in the world. That includes shaking hands sometimes. Making enemies is not good political strategy. Every country and every one has differences on every subject, but most can find agreement in some areas. Sometimes communications can change minds. Nothing happens in a sterile atmosphere where there is no communication because of difference of opinion.
This is how it works.

[JoeyT]

163. And yet nary a word from them

about how awful Saudi Arabia is on human rights. We only pretend to be concerned about human rights when it's a country we're pissed at or don't like. If it's one of our buddies, we couldn't give a shit less what they do.

[lumpy]

168. This nation cannot possibly solve all human rights problems that exists in other countries let

alone those that exist in this country. Certainly not in 8 years. That will take your lifetime and probably more lifetimes. Most people including our leaders are aware of these problems. Rather a difficult task to address them all at once especially when there are arguments about how to go about it. I guess it has to be one step at a time. By reading world history it shows that humanity has made strides in the right direction.

[NuttyFluffers]

54. no POTUS has a choice to deal with so pivotal head of state.

the others involve choice. but Russia, like China, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc. cannot be left to choice. POTUS must deal with them regardless.

[last1standing]

58. Was Obama forced to deal with Warren and McClurkin?

n/t

[NuttyFluffers]

197. you obviously don't read: "the others involve choice."

it was the very next sentence inside my post.

dissimilar things are dissimilar. your knee jerk response is knee jerk.

this correlation is a weak argument.

[Blue_Tires]

57. I don't see the disconnect

I can see the NSA story as valid and newsworthy and STILL believe personally that Snowden was nothing more than a useful idiot, and that Greenwald is a hypocritical nutbar with a fragile ego...

[last1standing]

60. While I don't completely agree, I can respect that viewpoint.

I don't respect those who use smear tactics to discredit the messenger so that the information they provide is lost or tainted.

[lumpy]

172. Baby, we know that is the only thing you are concerned about is 'smear 'tactics aimed at you.

That info you posted got lost in the thread because you posted nothing but 'smears' in response to others.
As you sow so shall you reap.
To make my self clear, I responded to some of your posts in kind with yours. I try not to respond to silly posts. I apologize if I hurt your feelings and I feel remorse to having responded to your erudite (???) postings.

[Bluenorthwest]

176. Calling another poster 'baby' and quoting Scripture is creepy ass stuff.

Baby? Seriously? That's fucked up.

[xchrom]

59. du rec.

[idwiyo]

68. Oh boy, did you just open a can of worms!.

[last1standing]

72. I believe in consistancy. If they want guilt by association then they should denounce it everywhere

Even when their hero is implicated.

[11 Bravo]

83. One should probably be able to spell that in which they profess to believe.

But hey, you got "hero" right. Maybe you should stick with the simple stuff.

[idwiyo]

85. FFS! Spelling mistake? That's all you can come up with in your enlightened state?

[last1standing]

90. Oh no! The Grammar Nazis are on my trail! How will I ever escape?!!!!!!

Consistency isn't the only hobgoblin of little minds.

[11 Bravo]

116. Actually, I agree with you. A foolish (hero) consistency (hero) IS (hero) the (hero) ...

hobgoblin (hero) of (hero) little (hero) minds (hero)!
Now, ask your doctor for irony supplements. Someone with your singular shtick deriding consistency (glad I could clue you in on the spelling) is comical to say the least.

[last1standing]

121. Awww... Did I hurt your feelings by pointing out your hero worship?

Oh well....

[11 Bravo]

129. You're kind of a caricature, aren't you? I asked you earlier to find a single instance ...

of hero worship in any of my posts, and you responded with an evasive non-sequitur. Now you're back with your tired "hero" shit again. For the record, I oppose any intervention in Syria and have said so, more than once, on this forum. Finally, if the day ever comes when a puerile and anonymous internet nobody can hurt my feelings, I will seek immediate help. So, I'll take my leave of you now, little hobgoblin, but hey ... one last time ... HERO!

[last1standing]

131. Yes, I am a caracature.

And as I said before, I can't take you seriously. Maybe you should write some slash/fic about your hero where he gives a Damn.

[cui bono]

182. You mean the way you did with your post?

[idwiyo]

86. Not a chance. We both know it. Not a bloody chance.

[Tveil]

71. Don't forget his new buddy War Criminal Kissinger n/t

[idwiyo]

87. That borders at unforgivable. Sorry, that shit stinks way too much, just as Warren still does.

[phleshdef]

73. What a dumb fucking argument based on a dogpile of false equivalency.

Putin is literally persecuting GLBT folks.

Obama had a brief association with a few preachers. He also repealed DADT, let DOMA go down without challenging it and his administration is now treating same sex couples as equals as far as taxes and other federal matters go.

At this point in history, Barack Obama is THE gay rights President. Whereas Putin is locking up gay folks in jail and trying to hide behind religious bigotry as the reason for doing so.

Don't EVER try to compare Putin to Obama on the issue of gay rights. You embarrass yourself and you insult the intelligence of everyone reading your tripe.

[whatchamacallit]

75. But Greenwald's retweet

is outrageous?

[last1standing]

76. Touch a nerve there, did I? Your CAPS seem to suggest so.

But seriously, if I'm using a false equivalency, show me how instead of screaming about what a doody-head I am. Show me how using guilt by association for Greenwald is acceptable yet using the same standard for Obama is not.

I'm waiting....

[phleshdef]

77. [Insert a response here that would likely be hidden by a jury decision]

That's all you are getting from me and its more than this garbage deserves.

[last1standing]

78. In other words, plenty of insults but no honest answer.

I expected no more and you promptly delivered it.

[Marr]

100. +1

[Bernardo de La Paz]

80. Obama does NOT "hang out" with Putin but has to be diplomatic to get things done.

Yes, and to get done some things that you want done.

Idealists, purists, perfectionists, and absolutists don't get much accomplished. One can have principles and still talk to "the enemy" or cooperate with people who are not perfect or sometimes do things you don't like, or even often do things you don't like.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

82. Big mistake to confuse cooperation with "promotion". Obama is not "promoting" Putin. nt

[last1standing]

95. He's promoting Putin as much, or more than, Greenwald is promoting Oathkeepers.

n/t

[Bernardo de La Paz]

101. He's not promoting Putin. Greenwald has nothing to do with the issue of Obama working with Putin.

Greenwald has nothing to do with the issue of Obama working with Putin to try to minimize the mess of Syria. If they don't work together it will be a bigger mess.

[last1standing]

103. This thread is about guilt by association.

Since certain posters want to use that method to attack Greenwald, I thought this was fair play.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023652777

In the old days, we would have called this a copycat thread.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

105. Posters need to post on topics & not start inflammatory back-ass-wards posts to make minor points.nt

[last1standing]

109. Thanks for directing me on what I "need" to do.

Please excuse me if I instead.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

117. Well, if you can't take constructive criticism or any criticism, so be it.

Your OP & replies inherently implicitly direct people in what they "need" to do. Go ahead and laugh.

If you were serious and empathic about gay issues you wouldn't waste our time with nonsense like this thread. You wouldn't rile up the gay community and their supporters as a vehicle to push your other agenda.

Take a read about a serious gay issue in Cleveland: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/12/city-of-cleveland-cocktails-lounge_n_3913662.html

In the wake of a series of neighborhood hate crimes targeting Ohio's gay community, the City of Cleveland sent a letter this week to the owner of gay bar Cleveland's Cocktail Lounge, claiming that the bar's repeated calls to law enforcement are over-burdening "the taxpayers of the City of Cleveland" and "our safety forces."

According to The Cleveland Plain Dealer there have been six reported LGBT-related attacks on patrons heading to and from Cleveland's Cocktail Lounge since last spring. The latest incidents involved a group of about 20 people allegedly beating up 28-year-old Jared Fox, resulting in his ear drum rupturing and his face bloodied and bruised, and a group of boys allegedly throwing large rocks at patrons. A 13-year-old was arrested in conjunction with the latter act of violence.

[last1standing]

122. Perhaps you need a lesson in the meaning of "constructive."

Rude posts are not constructive.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

126. "Rude"? See your rude posts (links) to others. None of my replies have been rude.

Your post 9: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023654100#post9

Your post 21: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3654348

Your post 92: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023654100#post92

Your post 121: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023654100#post121

[last1standing]

128. LOL! I don't even know how to answer this other than to laugh at the arrogance.

and the ignorance of your post.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

124. Then title it "Guilt by Association" & don't run a false flag operation about homophobia.

You don't think Obama is a homophobe. Using the guilt by association technique to paint Obama as a homophobe is a false flag op even if you don't think he's a homophobe.

[last1standing]

125. Still directing me? I thought we had gone through that.

n/t

[Bernardo de La Paz]

127. Still supplying constructive criticism. Abusing gays & supporters is not cool when you backhand them

[last1standing]

130. Making up shit about what I've said isn't very constructive, either.

But I don't expect you to get that any longer.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

132. Hypocritically, in your OP you used the same tactic you pretend to loathe and abhor.

You used the "guilt by association" tactic to rile up lots of people about a completely different unrelated issue (homophobia) from the one that upset you (Greenwald).

Then at the very end of a long original post that pretends to paint Obama as a homophobe you say (paraphrased) "haha just kidding; only using you to make my little point".

[last1standing]

133. Hypocritically, you fling insults then demand respect.

I have none for those who prove themselves disrespectful so I don't care about enough about your opinions to bother correcting you.

I will, however, continue to enjoy making fun of them.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

135. I posted links to you insulting others (#126). I have not asked for or demanded respect.

I posted links to you insulting others (#126).

Calling out your hypocritical tactic is as hypocrisy is not an "insult"; it is a direct rebuke and comes as a result of you not dealing with constructive criticism of your tactic. First I constructively pointed out that when members have a point to make they need to make it directly and up front (#105). Then you avoided addressing it and tried to deflect it with nonsense about "directing" you, which clearly showed you were not interested in any criticism at all. Thus I was more direct to make the point that using the very tactic you loathe is hypocritical.

I have not asked for or "demanded" respect.

People can read and will read.

[last1standing]

136. Good, because I won't give you any after your rudeness.

Poor thing.

[lumpy]

165. Sad that some people ignore (probably willingly) the reality of how the world goes around.

Communicating with other countries can bring desirable results whether there are important disagreements or not. Isolation does accomplish anything. A hand shake can open doors.

[Ocelot]

84. Let's not forget the Saudi homophobes either

Even worse than Russia since they've been at it for so much longer, and they're supposed to be our uber-close ally. No gay service member should ever have to put his/her life on the line by going to war for Saudi Arabia (and yes, I'm referring directly to the Syrian situation).

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[Richardo]

89. Shaking hands with another head of state is 'promoting' homophobia. Check.

What a fucking idiotic post.

[Marr]

107. Rick Warren is a head of state? /nt

[Richardo]

147. No.

[Kolesar]

154. This thread originated in head-injury land...eom

[Number23]

160. No doubt about it. One of the most hateful, idiotic things I've seen here in a while

Needlessly, pointlessly hateful.

[99th_Monkey]

98. K&R great post. Greenwald bashers, listen up! nt

[Marr]

104. This is an entertaining thread.

I've noticed, amongst the other attributes they eerily share with the Bushbots of yesterday, our authoritarian wing has the same gaping blindspot; hypocrisy. They seem to make a habit of using the most ridiculous arguments to smear people, then indignantly crying foul when the exact same argument is turned around 180 degrees.

[last1standing]

108. To be fair, they have caught me out in a couple of spelling mistakes.

Therefore, my entire thread is pointless. That does seem to be the basis for their substantive arguments.

[Marr]

114. True, and some of the umm... "arguments"... appear to have been deleted by juries.

But there's a case to be made on both sides, I'm sure. On the one hand, turnabout is fair play, and guilt by association is just an empty smear that can be used against anyone. On the other hand, JERK FACE EMOPROG RATFUCKER.

[Sunlei]

111. wonder where 'equal rights for all' would be today if romney won? or mccain/palin.

probably 4 or 5 wars including supporting Palins' Uganda gunrunner 'campaign minister' interests.

[last1standing]

112. I wonder where 'freedom of the press' would be today if Ellsburg had been jailed. Or Bernstein.

Probably under a dictatorship masquerading as a democracy where we all had to worry about what we say.

[Sunlei]

113. /daydreams

[last1standing]

115. LOL! Very true.

[CakeGrrl]

119. What has the Greenwald Administration done to advance LGBT rights?

Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

[last1standing]

123. What has the Obama administration done to curtail illegal spying?

Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

[Cha]

173. At least they admitted their hero, Putin, is a fucking homophobic hatemonger..

[Marr]

183. Who are these people who idolize Putin?

Please name them. I promise not to alert on your post.

I ask because I keep seeing this accusation from you and people you tend to agree with. These are mostly people who post in a fan club forum called the BOG, so I know they have a firm grasp on what hero worship actually is. I'm anxious to see a few examples of this same behavior here directed at Putin and I've no doubt you have plenty of examples ready.

[cui bono]

194. Asked and never answered.

Of course.

[MotherPetrie]

120. Obama's association with that POS Warren still pisses me off. His subjecting himself to that phony

pious asshole's inquisition prior to the 2008 election still makes my blood boil.

[Kolesar]

153. yeah, I'm sure that you work around the clock for gay rights. ....

[MotherPetrie]

179. I've been supporting and contributing to the fight for gay rights for almost 40 years.

Obama giving the likes of Rick Warren any respect, even giving him a conspicuous role in his first inauguration, makes me want to puke.
But go ahead and insult me for being sickened by it, rather than criticize Obama for giving that anti-gay piece of shit any role at all, if it makes you feel any better. That's all you've got.

[Marr]

184. You said something less than flattering about his hero.

That's all they need to know, apparently.

[MotherPetrie]

193. Ain't that the truth.

[Kolesar]

186. Sure. Tell the skeptic what you have done

:uh don't ask:

[MotherPetrie]

187. Unlike Obama, I've never given a religious right homophobe a public platform.

What I've done privately is contribute to gay rights causes and AIDS clinics, participate in gay rights rallies, give emotional support to my gay friends and family members, and speak out for gay rights whenever I can. Believe it or not -- it doesn't matter to me -- I know what I've done. And I know what you're trying to do, because I've seen it over and over again to the point where I now expect it: When all else fails, when certain of Obama's actions can't be glossed over, try to turn it around it around on the person pointing them out and accuse that person of them. Talk about counterproductive.

[Kolesar]

190. As you sow, so shall you reap

I've seen it over and over again to the point where I now expect it

try to turn it around it around on the person pointing them out and accuse that person of them. Talk about counterproductive.

[HangOnKids]

196. Gee Comedy!

What a hoot.

[Kolesar]

198. Is that all you know how to say, "Gracie"?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3663822

[HangOnKids]

199. Yes!

Any more questions Kolesar?

[Kolesar]

200. That proves what you are here for ...eom

[HangOnKids]

201. Oh please

Your fish hook is most unappealing.

[fascisthunter]

204. does it matter? Yawn...

then don't reply. Cheers!

[Agnosticsherbet]

159. qui cum canibus concumbunt cum pulicibus surgent

He that lieth down with dogs shall rise up with fleas

[OilemFirchen]

177. The Warren blunder was a shame.

However, it doesn't establish a pattern. Obama does not make a habit of associating with, and certainly not one of promoting, homophobes.

Greenwald, OTOH, has an easily discoverable laundry list of despicable, like-minded compatriots. It's not guilt by association - it's association by association.

[bvar22]

178. I'm staying out of this one,

but will post the generalization that
If you LIVE by the Sword,
it is justice that you DIE by the Sword.


Well Played,
but what is gained by descending to their level?

[sigmasix]

185. Greenwald tells you what you want to hear

When you want to believe that the politician you hate is a traitor you turn to fake journalists like Greenwald and fox "news". Congratulations on the confirmation bias and level of ODS dysfunction.

[fascisthunter]

205. lol