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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNever Forget
...that vengeance is a loser's game, that killing to prove killing is wrong is a suicidal Mobius loop, that someone is looking to make money off your killing rage and will do so if you let them, that the dead here and there and everywhere are not anecdotes or metaphors but are flesh and blood and tears just like you, and that we all inhabit this small planet, we all breathe the same air, we all cherish our children's future, and we are all mortal.
Never forget.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,636 posts)You are on fire today!
Bravo!
Autumn
(45,107 posts)Recommended
Journeyman
(15,036 posts)kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)onethatcares
(16,172 posts)I needed that.
eissa
(4,238 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)Think therefore on revenge and cease to weep.
Henry VI, Part Two, (Act 4, Scene 4)
oberliner
(58,724 posts)How can you write that BS on 9/11 of all days?
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)The level of ignorance about the world is staggering at times.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Your the expert.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)There are people in the world who don't give a crap about their children's future. There are people who are abusive to their children and worse.
Do you disagree?
daleanime
(17,796 posts)although your leap from ignorance to our children's future does provide a chilling insight into your personality.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)My response was to the line in the OP which read:
"we all cherish our children's future"
I wrote that I thought that was BS - and that it was ignorant to think otherwise.
I'm not sure what "chilling insight" that provides into my personality. I would think it would be self-evident (that not everyone cherishes their children's future).
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)For all of our bluster and smoke-blowing about how "our children are our future, so let's leave them a great one", you have to concede that America isn't really doing a great job of "walking the walk" in that regard. The costs we're leaving them and the wages we expect them to pay these costs with are greatly insurmountable.
The one thing that's positive is that this up-and-coming generation of voters standardize a Republican presidency with that of this guy:
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)Not the ability to exist in a overpopulated, polluted world, without resources.
Response to oberliner (Reply #9)
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L0oniX
(31,493 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)For me, personally, it's important to recognize that not everyone "cherishes their children" and such.
Pretending otherwise is counterproductive in my opinion.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)and sends a child flying through a wall, breaking a number of bones and causing severe internal bleeding, that child's parent will experience the same excruciating sense of horror and loss as even one such as you might in a similar situation.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)My point, though, is that there are people in the world who do not care about the lives of others, not even their own children.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)And if we could somehow magically guarantee that our missiles and bombs only kill those horrible people then maybe we could discount the OP and the "hard men making hard decisions" meme would be justified. Maybe.
Sadly, we know from tragically abundant experience that our attempts to deliver retribution via ordnance always include innocent bystanders on the butcher's bill. Shrugging off those innocent deaths as the cost of doing business is damaging to our collective national soul and counter-productive to our objectives. Killing those bystanders on purpose is simply collective punishment and prohibited by the Geneva Convention.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)It was just that one phrase that rankled me because - and you seem to agree - it simply is not true.
Just as it is foolish to think that missiles and bombs can be magically guided towards horrible people, it is equally foolish to think that "everyone cherishes their children's future" when there is very clear evidence in the world that this is not so.
I reiterate that it is foolish to think there aren't people in the world who do not care about anyone's future, even that of their own children.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Of course I can't read his mind, but I suspect the OP was considering the context of the innocent people caught in the crossfire.
Duval
(4,280 posts)you to give me the necessary insight and truth. I'm quite a big fan!
marble falls
(57,106 posts)Owl
(3,642 posts)Thanks Will.
K&R
Hydra
(14,459 posts)Especially since the people most responsible for what happened walk free, never to worry that their treason will bring them low.
SalmonChantedEvening
(31,952 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)JFK would undoubtedly approve.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)Thanks for the thread, WilliamPitt.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)michigandem58
(1,044 posts)But sounds pretty. Expect lots of recs.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)Thanks WilliamPitt, for the sanity.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)"...we all inhabit this small planet, we all breathe the same air, we all cherish our children's future, and we are all mortal" is from his Peace speech in 1963. Pretty iconic, actually. I'm surprised you didn't get the reference.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)LOL
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,007 posts)If you care about society, you care about children.
If you don't care about children, you have no time or heart for society and should become a recluse so that society doesn't have to carry you.
A person who doesn't care about children will be cared for in their old age and their dotage and their medical dependencies by the children they didn't care for, who will none the less care for (in the sense of feeling for) the person.
"It takes a village to raise a child," but also, it takes a village to care for an elder.
Crewleader
(17,005 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)So now, the criticism is not with the actual point you've made, but rather digging into the bowels of the sentiment to petulantly pick out, "not everyone in the world cherishes their children."
You know Will... you're doing something right when the deepest, most insightful criticism that can thrown at the wall is an Aunt Sally.