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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhatever else you do today, watch this - Thank You Lawrence
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/45755883/ns/msnbc-the_last_word/vp/52979025Finally the real discussion has begun
Jasana
(490 posts)I too urge you all to listen to this. Stupid basic cable only offers my Grandma Fox news so I don't ever get to see anything on MSNBC unless it online.
malaise
(269,040 posts)Jasana
(490 posts)handmade34
(22,756 posts)LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)The red line is blurry and arbitrary and micro thin, isn't it?
malaise
(269,040 posts)The red line is blurry and arbitrary and micro thin
alfie
(522 posts)Absolutely must watch. Wise I got MSNBC
Scuba
(53,475 posts)malaise
(269,040 posts)In_The_Wind
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tomg
(2,574 posts)cate94
(2,811 posts)K & R for the truth, even though it is difficult to watch and hard to hear.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)This is why I am against war in all forms. If we are civilized(and that's an open question...), we will find ways to solve problems without suspending civilization to do it.
The Wizard
(12,545 posts)beerandjesus
(1,301 posts)Thanks for the link!
malaise
(269,040 posts)The truth must be known
mtasselin
(666 posts)I watched it last night on the "The Last Word" and it is more informing today.
drynberg
(1,648 posts)How about Agent Orange, the chemical dropped by the thousands of tons on Vietnam to kill all vegetation, which has caused horrible genetic consequences that are still haunting the Vietnamese People. This AO was of course a chemical used in warfare, but we don't even mention this when discussing the "morally obscene" (alleged) use of CW in a civil war of a sovereign nation...Gee that leaves the USA in a totally hypocritical place...and then we consider aiding in arming Iraq (Saddam) with Sarin to use on Iranians in the 1980s. Or the USA defending the Israelis use of White Phosphorus recently, a chemical that burns through the skin into the body to the core with no way of stopping the damage and terrible pain. So, who is morally obscene?
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Then there is depleted uranium.
I think we could make a list that would make the Syrians look like amateurs.
cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)What would Pres. Obama's response be to this truth?
Do they all get itchy trigger fingers when they ascend to the Presidency?
You know, he has Samantha Power as our delegate to the UN. She cut her teeth in Kosovo. We may be hearing echoes from there. I wish I recalled history from that time. How did it go? What was our strategy? What worked, didn't work, there?
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)The United States signed it almost three decades after the General Assembly adopted it, on January 21, 2009: President Barack Obamas first full day in office. Americas ratification, however, is subject to a diplomatic reservation that says it can disregard the treaty at its discretion if doing so would save civilian lives.
Read more: http://nation.time.com/2013/04/11/napalm-a-true-american-tale/#ixzz2eb0xkcyD
cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)1) Yes, I listened to the "whole thing." Is your tone necessary?
2) I don't get your point in reponse to my post. Might you take the time to clarify?
Thanks!
malaise
(269,040 posts)signed it on his first day in office. So as much as I am against any bombing of Syria he at least has political capital on the subject in a way that not one president in the previous 29 years had - OK - that's the point.
cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)I don't know about political capital, so much as credibility..potentially.
I also don't know how much a difference it makes if someone is liquidated by chemicals or by explosives, in the big picture.
malaise
(269,040 posts)I agree
cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)I'm sorry. I'm a bit out of sorts about this whole deal.
It's confusing to me. I know there is a strategy here that we are unaware of. On the surface I see two "doves" (a Vietnam era term), Obama and Kerry, behaving uncharacteristically hawklike, which concerns me deeply. At the same time, I despise what Assad (and the rebels, apparently?) are doing. But fail to see what makes their vile act stand out.
An eye for an eye? Still? Really?
malaise
(269,040 posts)WCLinolVir
(951 posts)Sienna86
(2,149 posts)Saw this last night.
bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)was referring to!
I have my problems with Lawrence from time to time, but he was completely spot-on with last night's commentary. We've done all kinds of really bad shit in our own history regarding chemical weapons, so we need to take a long hard look at ourselves when it comes to pointing fingers at other countries.
malaise
(269,040 posts)Lawrence is fearless
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)markpkessinger
(8,401 posts)gvstn
(2,805 posts)Sometimes Lawrence gets it right. He is still a bit preachy but definitely worth it this time.
SunSeeker
(51,569 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Really puts things into perspective. For instance, what exactly is a "good" way to die in war? Well, I think I'd take sarin over napalm if I had to choose. Better yet, let's just not do war.
malaise
(269,040 posts)No more war
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)but truth does not compute to bots. <sigh>
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)the dupes of war rhetoric. This is why the moral speeches are bullshit.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)I can't believe it was allowed on the MSM. Kudos!