“Victory has a thousand fathers, but defeat is an orphan.”

[kentuck]

A quote that has been attributed to JFK.

If the President resolves the Syrian issue without bombing them, who will declare victory? Will those that supported the bombing of Syria declare victory because they supported the President? And will they brag about how "their" President was playing nth degree chess all along?

And will those that were against bombing Syria declare victory because they got the end result they wanted?

Who is the orphan?

[Pretzel_Warrior]

1. Obama. good. does not compute.

[orpupilofnature57]

2. US,, They'll still hate the U.S of A, and our government

will put the yoke of payment on 99% of US, to the benefit of the Global 1% and the sycophants that implement the ways .

[kentuck]

3. No orphans?

Everyone is a winner?

[Recursion]

4. I think that's the premise behind the nth-dimensional chess mockery

On the one hand, Obama does have a pretty clear history of being a counterpuncher and getting his opponents to do his work for him. On the other hand, he often just lucks out. On the third hand, it's not always easy to draw a firm line between the two (and, for that matter, being lucky is the one quality you probably want most in a President).

Putin's offer was almost certainly not part of some grand plan Obama had. However, making a credible enough threat of the use of force that the international community got off its ass and did something almost certainly was.

[kentuck]

6. As in gambling...

Better to be lucky than good.

[Union Scribe]

5. It will be a victory if it happens.

People can credit whomever they like. IMO it was two world leaders whose options were shrinking because of international pressure ceding to a diplomatic solution. If it happens. We'll see.

[kentuck]

11. Good point.

[PowerToThePeople]

7. War will be the orphan.

[BuelahWitch]

9. And the warmongering PNAC

[Uncle Joe]

8. If we bomb Syria, there will be orphans, if we don't bomb Syria

there will be orphans.

Syria has to create its' own "victory" and the only means of that happening is for a political, diplomatic settlement to take place, sharing power within that nation.

Thanks for the thread, kentuck.

[kentuck]

10. Thanks Uncle Joe!

I hope that is enough for both sides.