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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDU'ers who saw the Latest Batch of Gruesome Videos--Do you think they are totally Authentic??
I haven't seen the latest batch that were released to convince us about the atrocities in Syria because I don't like to see really graphic stuff. I've seen the other videos around that were released and some of them didn't look real to me. Maybe if they'd had some info with a narrator or something saying where they were from, I could have thought they looked more authentic. But, some of them...seemed photo-shopped or edited in a way that didn't reveal or obscured what the environment around the scene was, context of what bystanders or observers were doing and WHO the person taking the photo or video might have been.
Don't get me wrong....I'm not saying that CW weren't used in Syria...but, I wonder why there aren't interviews with those who photographed or video taped these incidents that are available from either Reporters and Observers on the Scene or News Organizations, NGO's, Hospital Employees or others who have given testimony of dates and who they are so that we can verify timelines and authenticate if these are from the August 21st attack or are from other gassings and incidents that may have happened earlier or even in other countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen which might have been incorporated into what our Senate Intelligence Committee Members were shown and even the ones released to the MSM this weekend by an overly zealous CIA/Pentagon/Security Agency.
I don't watch much MSM -- CNN/MSNBC or Networks...so I might have missed discussions over how the Videos/Photographs were verified and interviews with those who taped or took photos...so that there is more than just the running background behind a commentator which is pretty much all I've seen in the little I watch.
Does anyone else have questions about these latest Videos?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)And that's enough of a doubt to feel they may have been staged. And I agree with you. I don't know what to believe. We've all been duped at some point in the past.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Our CIA is totally willing to stage shit to have us enter a war theater. Gulf of Tonkin was all made up; but it worked. A decade later and we were still in Vietnam.
This is the video age, so live footage it is.
David__77
(23,419 posts)I mean, someone shaking an injured baby in the air and giving a speech about atrocities doesn't strike many people as the "common sense" thing to do, as opposed to focusing on how to assist or at least comfort those injured. But that doesn't mean the basic premises are "staged," just that they may convey inauthenticity to some.
I don't know. But whether they are or are not does not affect my position on what course the US should take, which is non-intervention.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)It makes a difference if our Government puts out stuff that isn't verified by other sources.
So, I thought I'd ask...because, since I watch so little of MSM that maybe there were discussions and parsing of who took the videos (from I-Phone, Media, Observers, By-Standers" and the dates and their personal verification) that I had missed because I don't watch MSM.
If the case is TIGHT against Assad that our Senate and House will vote on in the coming days and Obama was "Ready to Go" last Weekend and then pulled back...I'd want to know WHY did Obama pull back and why the campaign to flood MSM with NEW Videos more gruesome and graphic than before ...while we wait for a "Coalition of the Willing" to aid us or for the UN Inspectors Report.
There are questions I have as a citizen asked to commit more of my Taxpayers Dollars to War and PTSD of our Soldiers and the draining of our Economic Resourses because of these Videos...that I have questions about.
Just Saying....IMHO
arcane1
(38,613 posts)That isn't proof of who actually deployed the gas.
Supposedly there is satellite data that "proves" it was Assad, but they don't seem to be sharing that info with us. It's almost as if they are deliberately trying to appeal to our emotions instead of our reason.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)some inside stuff from Obama to ease my skepticism of the newly released videos that have been (according to weblogs) been circulating on MSM since yesterday.
Buddaman
(503 posts)This isn't our war...it's theirs. If they want to gas, bomb, grenade or shoot bullets it's all the same...killing is killing...dead is dead. America won't change the ways of the Middle East....EVER!! Let them fight THEIR war and let them fight it the way they see fit....They don't like Americans in the Mid East and I don't blame them, bush pretty much sealed the deal there. Keep America safe and let them fuckers fight it out, that's the way I'd handle it and that's the way it should be handled......
Warpy
(111,270 posts)I'd want my feet as covered as possible to avoid exposure to whatever they were hit with, Wellies if available.
I also question reviving Sarin victims with water. Injections of 2-PAM-Cl or Atropine yes. Water, no. Water and detergent remove it from skin. Clothing also needs to be removed ASAP and the person scrubbed, not just flushed with water.
If the videos were faked, they did a damned good job, especially with the kids. There are questions, though, big ones.
I think they were hit with something, whether it was an amateur job with concentrated insecticide or a chemical agent other than Sarin. I just don't know what it was or who did the attack. And neither does anyone else, I suspect.
I agree some of the photos (not the recent that I haven't seen) seems to show they were hit with Something...but there just isn't any CONTEXT.
In this day and age and sophistication of Internet Users ...it begs question that there WOULDN'T be questions about the first release they did.
There's just no CONTEXT of the GASSING:
And as your say:
"I also question reviving Sarin victims with water. Injections of 2-PAM-Cl or Atropine yes. Water, no. Water and detergent remove it from skin. Clothing also needs to be removed ASAP and the person scrubbed, not just flushed with water."
It seems just "You Tubes" were thrown out there by Administration with Kerry (seeming so cool saying Social Media Verifies) that we would all just accept that what's on "YOU TUBE" and FACEBOOK with Photos on your "LIKES" would pass for WHY we would do an AIR ASSAULT on SYRIA ...with few Questions Asked.
It just doesn't make sense.
Warpy
(111,270 posts)I don't buy a word coming out of Washington, it's gotten to be a habit since the Nixon years.
The whole thing has got my BS meter pinned.
Something injured and killed people. We just don't know what it is or who did it. We might never know. That's what wars are all about.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)And if they believe them are they war hawks?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)But...seriously... I had to ask the Question...because...there's just Loose Threads in this Video of Gruesome...that begs the question.
I don't know...that's why I asked about it. I thought since I don't watch MSM ...I missed verification.
whttevrr
(2,345 posts)...not like anything most people have seen. Dead people almost look like wax mannequins. If the only place you have seen a dead body is on TV, then most likely you have never actually seen a real dead body.
Funerals are different because an effort is made to use makeup to make the body look 'alive'.
Real death looks... not really fake, but it has a cognitive dissonance that makes it appear unreal. Unfortunately, we are getting many examples of what real dead bodies look like.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pallor_mortis
Pallor mortis (Latin: pallor "paleness", mortis "of death" is a post mortem paleness which happens in those with light/white skin almost instantly (in the 1525 minutes after the death) because of a lack of capillary circulation throughout the body.[1] The blood sinks down into the lower parts (due to gravity) of the body creating livor mortis.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)in the coffin.. BUT...these photo's Newly Released from Obama Administration...are they like that? Just Furnerals and nothing from the Reporters or Hospital Admins or Anyone Else at the sight who Captured the Videos & Photos and appeared on MEDIA or who Reported to CIA INFO to VERIFY...that all of this is ACCURATE and DOCUMENTED?
We need to see VERIFICATION of the VIDEO..that was put into DVD FORM for US SENATE to know if it's REAL?
That's what I'm saying....ASKING?
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... which means they are probably fake, I think.
Maybe we can ask the Myth Busters to try and recreate them?
Cleita
(75,480 posts)exactly how and from what seems unknown. Also when and where seems to be unknown and there is no concrete evidence of dates and places being what they claim to be. In other words the basic questions a reporter would ask what, where, when, why and how don't have solid verifiable answers.
Something happened that is shown in the videos but that's all we know.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)They think we don't exist. Those of us who have a History...and Background that makes us still QUESTION.
What you say:
"...the basic questions a reporter would ask what, where, when, why and how don't have solid verifiable answers."
KoKo
(84,711 posts)begin...and then on to Tuesday Night for the Speech.
I wonder if more will be "leaked" in the next two days...answering the questions some of us have about those Videos.
On to Monday....and what follows.