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FourScore

(9,704 posts)
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 02:55 PM Sep 2013

107-Year-Old Killed by SWAT team

Ark. SWAT officers kill man, 107, in standoff
AP 12:35 p.m. EDT September 8, 2013

PINE BLUFF, Ark. (AP) — Police in the southeast Arkansas city of Pine Bluff say a 107-year-old man is dead after SWAT officers shot back at him during a standoff at a home.

Pine Bluff Lt. David Price tells KATV that police officers called to the home Saturday were told Monroe Isadore had pointed a weapon at two people there.

Officers had the threatened pair leave the home and approached a bedroom. Police say Isadore shot through the door at officers but missed hitting them.

More officers were called, including a SWAT team that inserted a camera into the room and confirmed Isadore had a handgun.

Police say SWAT officers released gas into the room when negotiations didn't work. They say Isadore shot at officers and they fired back, killing him.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/08/arkansas-standoff-107-year-old-man/2782117/

Wow! I feel safer!

F**king idiots!!

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107-Year-Old Killed by SWAT team (Original Post) FourScore Sep 2013 OP
sad..nt Jesus Malverde Sep 2013 #1
Euthansia via cop. NT Trillo Sep 2013 #2
"...Isadore shot at officers..." sagat Sep 2013 #3
They never should have provoked him. FourScore Sep 2013 #4
Let's not forget... FarPoint Sep 2013 #6
Exactly. A little common sense brought to bear... Mr_Jefferson_24 Sep 2013 #10
How easy it must be for a hair-triggered militarized police force to use lethal force against indepat Sep 2013 #14
Bullets fired by a 107 year old are less lethal. alphafemale Sep 2013 #9
He was locked by himself in his bedroom in his own home. They had a camera on tblue37 Sep 2013 #16
Well this is America where some people never see any options but to shoot to kill no matter how sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #21
You know, it's a wonder this old crackpot lived as long as he did. kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #5
I cannot believe he shot at the cops. Rex Sep 2013 #7
Apparently he assaulted 2 people. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #8
Who knows? Maybe they were abusive caretakers. We have very little information. nt tblue37 Sep 2013 #17
True that. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #18
There's NO REASON why there should be "only one outcome to that." tblue37 Sep 2013 #22
They could have waited until he fell asleep. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #11
Why, because he was old? darkangel218 Sep 2013 #12
Actually this followed an escalation of force nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #13
IT SHOULD NOT BE EXPECTED! The situation was under control. tblue37 Sep 2013 #23
I am sorry, but once anybody opens fire nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #24
Hm. Well it's sad... but he shot at them. sibelian Sep 2013 #15
THEY COULD WAIT! He was OLD, they had a camera on him, tblue37 Sep 2013 #20
Aging while black? Precisely Sep 2013 #19

FourScore

(9,704 posts)
4. They never should have provoked him.
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 03:10 PM
Sep 2013

He was 107!!! Wait'll he nods off, for God's sake! The old man was holed up in a room by himself!

Mr_Jefferson_24

(8,559 posts)
10. Exactly. A little common sense brought to bear...
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 03:35 PM
Sep 2013

... would resolve most of these situations with no one being killed or injured.

Apparently not part of their training.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
14. How easy it must be for a hair-triggered militarized police force to use lethal force against
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 04:04 PM
Sep 2013

against an octogenarian in a gun-crazed 'murika.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
9. Bullets fired by a 107 year old are less lethal.
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 03:30 PM
Sep 2013

Obviously.

Firing at cops.

Some people never wise the fuck up it seems.



tblue37

(65,403 posts)
16. He was locked by himself in his bedroom in his own home. They had a camera on
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 04:18 PM
Sep 2013

him. He wasn't going anywhere and wasn't in a posituon to harm anyone who did not approach him. All they had to do was wait a bit. He would have conked out--probably sooner rather than later, andcwith the camera on him, they would have been able to tell when he was asleep.

He did bot need to be shot. The cops are just trigger-happy. Probably, too, one of them decidedthe old guy needed to be "taught a lesson" about respecting their authoritay!

The other possibility is mere cowardice: one of the cops might have reflexively,--quite thoughtlessly--returned fire because being shot at blanked his mind with fear so that he just reacted.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
21. Well this is America where some people never see any options but to shoot to kill no matter how
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 04:25 PM
Sep 2013

minor the threat. Any excuse will do.

Let's see, if that had been Norway eg, the police would have waited, understanding that a 107 year old man was certainly no threat to them.

When, eg, someone managed to sneak into Buckingham Palace and go right to the Queen's bedroom, instead of mowing him down, the cops talked to him and escorted him out of the Palace.

But in the Home of the Brave everyone is so afraid, even of an old man who obviously couldn't shoot straight, there was no other option but to kill him.

What a country!

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
5. You know, it's a wonder this old crackpot lived as long as he did.
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 03:16 PM
Sep 2013

I'm betting he was a lifelong gun nutter. HE SHOT AT THE COPS.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
7. I cannot believe he shot at the cops.
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 03:26 PM
Sep 2013

Was he hold out behind the bed? A 107 old prepper? They probably threw in the gas and he went apeshit with the gun.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
8. Apparently he assaulted 2 people.
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 03:27 PM
Sep 2013

Then started shooting at the swat team. I'm not a cop defender or anything, but seriously, what shouldve they done? Let him keep shooting because of his age?

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
18. True that.
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 04:20 PM
Sep 2013

His mistake was shooting at the cops though. There is only one outcome when that happens, regardless of age.

tblue37

(65,403 posts)
22. There's NO REASON why there should be "only one outcome to that."
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 04:26 PM
Sep 2013

Considering his age and other aspects of the situation, NOT killing him would have been quite easy, and NOT killing *unless it is actually necessary* should be cops' default mode.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
13. Actually this followed an escalation of force
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 03:57 PM
Sep 2013

It might be shocking due to the age, but once he opened fire the escalation was expected

tblue37

(65,403 posts)
23. IT SHOULD NOT BE EXPECTED! The situation was under control.
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 04:28 PM
Sep 2013

He was too old to outlast them. They had a camera on him and he was not in a position to threaten anyone who didn't *present* themselves as an easy target.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
24. I am sorry, but once anybody opens fire
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 04:43 PM
Sep 2013

Deadly force *is authorized* for any police department around the world, not just the US.

This is pure speculation, and the investigation could discover this, was this suicide by cop?

tblue37

(65,403 posts)
20. THEY COULD WAIT! He was OLD, they had a camera on him,
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 04:23 PM
Sep 2013

he was locked in his room, so no one was in any immediate danger. He would have fallen asleep soon enough--and with the camera on him, they would know when he did.

They were in a hurry and didn't want to take the time to do it right when it is so easy just to blow the old guy away.

 

Precisely

(358 posts)
19. Aging while black?
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 04:22 PM
Sep 2013

"The SWAT team inserted a camera into the room and confirmed Isadore was armed with a handgun, Price said."

Was he white or ....?

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