"If you're voting yes on military action in #Syria, might as well start cleaning out your office."

[WilliamPitt]

Keep it up.

[KharmaTrain]

1. So...

...will the teabaggers primary Boner and Kantor if they, as expected, vote for action? How about other members of the leadership? I'm all for it!!

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. It is rumored that Boeher will step down in 2014

[Myrina]

37. The rumor is he'll step down as Speaker, not resign

n/t

[AtheistCrusader]

58. Next election is going to be a fuckfest over this, on BOTH sides of the aisle.

Even republicans are upset about it. Especially the Ron Paul republicans and the teahadists.

[Aerows]

2. I won't vote for someone that votes yes

My Representative that I didn't vote for because he's a batshit Republican is a firm no, and it's a shame that it's going to take people like him to keep us out of this debacle because he's a lunatic on nearly everything else.

[sulphurdunn]

48. I'd vote for the Devil himself

to stop my government from doing this again.

[Carolina]

130. Exactly

and I would join you.

I have never felt such disgust toward a POTUS and SOS. Not even Shrub, Condiliar and that cabal... because they channeled their actions long before and we knew they were liars, thieves and worse.

But Obomber and Kerry championing this PNAC madness is beyond the pale. I can't even stand to listen to them any more.

[Aerows]

147. It's just FUBAR

all the way around to get into this. It's Vietnam to the power of 3. I don't support it, can't support it, and won't think it's a great idea no matter who supports it.

If I'm crossing the aisle, then some Democrats need to stand up and take notice. And many have. This "bombing Syria" campaign is ill-conceived, ill-advised and pretty much a slap to the face of the American public that has been told we can't afford to feed hungry children, but we can afford to drop multi-million dollar bombs on a country dozens at a time.

Suddenly the "deficit" is no longer a problem whatsoever.

[sabrina 1]

113. You're not alone by any means. And if they think we will forget, they can think again. They never

grasped what a huge issue these phony wars were from the beginning, to Democrats. This time they miscalculated. They thought that having a Dem President do it would bring the 'left' on board. I guess when you have no principles yourself, you assume others don't either.

Then they didn't take into account that the red team, following their leader, who were fully on board last time, might not support a war led by the leader of the blue team. Nor that some of them actually did change their minds when they realized it was all based on lies.

The message in the OP is exactly what I intended to deliver to my Reps. Schumer is of course on board as expected.

[daleanime]

128. +1

nt

[magical thyme]

144. this. exactly.

"I guess when you have no principles yourself, you assume others don't either."

It took me a long time to learn that lesson.

[Raksha]

145. Well said, sabrina 1.

Re "I guess when you have no principles yourself, you assume others don't either."

BIG miscalculation!

[Aerows]

148. People die in this country

every single day for lack of health care, yet we want to plunge right on in to another Civil War in a country that doesn't affect us one bit?

It's asinine logic. It's like electing to bankrupt yourself and go to jail to shoot some Hatfields just to prove you support the McCoys - and you live in Alaska. It's lunacy.

[sabrina 1]

149. I agree and why are the deaths of 44,000 Americans a year, more than half a million since

9/11, due to lack of HC, NOT a National Security Issue?? I don't get that at all. US domestic policies therefore are more of a threat to Americans than any terrorist attack they are so fearful of, or pretending to be.

[Aerows]

152. My hope is that it has gotten so blatantly

obvious that our government "leaders" could give one shit about the people they represent that the people they represent start throwing them out of office because it is no longer meaningful along partisan lines who is who.

Look at people like Diane Feinstein. She hasn't been a Democrat for years. Obviously there are Republicans that need to go, but there are Democrats that need to hit the road, too, and don't you come back no mo.

[B Calm]

126. Thinking about calling my republican congressmen and tell them to vote yes!

[MelungeonWoman]

136. After that you should call the recruiter and sign up.

Since you feel so strongly that we should send our loved ones off to die for Al Queda's glorious dream of extreme fundamentalism.

[Aerows]

150. If you actually think

that supporting a war in Syria is the right thing to do, then do it. I vote with my conscience, and principles. Principle over policy, principle over party. Anyone that chooses party over principle is no countryman of my kind. They just wish to rule with an iron hand that benefits their own political ambitions, and not their own neighbors, brothers, sisters and children.

[liberalhistorian]

168. Methinks the poster was being sarcastic,

and was making the point, albeit rather clumsily, that he hoped for a yea vote from him so that he'd be thrown out of office, not that he supported any actions against Syria.

[B Calm]

169. Bingo

One would think a person would not have to explain. Also I'm a veteran!

[JaneyVee]

3. Ironically, Republican congress has unprecedented levels of public opposition.

[AverageJoe90]

10. This is just one more piece of desperation.

The Republicans are looking for *anything* that will salvage their party. *Anything*. And we ought to remind people of this when the elections roll around next year.....

[totodeinhere]

14. As long as they vote against the war I don't care about their reasons. A vote against

the war is the right thing to do for both Republicans and Democrats. I think there's a good chance that a majority of both caucuses in the House will vote against it.

[AverageJoe90]

20. Well *I* do, even though I'm not gung-ho about the war myself. nt

[Aerows]

155. And *I* don't

because I could give a blessed darn who votes against intervention so long as they do, and if it gives a few folks on my side a political black eye, they deserve the black eye for dreaming this up in the first place.

NO.

[LiberalAndProud]

18. Next year.

Sad. I really believe Democrats, on the whole, would have had the advantage coming into this off-year election given a strong GOTV effort. Regardless of which direction our policy toward Syria moves, I think this episode will prove disastrous for the Democratic party. The spectacle of not enough difference between political rivals looms large. Many who might have been persuaded to vote Democratic will simply not vote. Many who might have joined the GOTV effort will not canvas.

The tin foil hat in me speculates as to whether these changed political fortunes are by design. Regardless, I don't foresee a spectacular election year for our Dems.

Sad.

[AverageJoe90]

23. That's what was said about Libya, too. And yet.....despite all the setbacks.....

....including the tragedy in Benghazi, that didn't happen. People still came out in droves in 2012; in fact, if anyone DOES stay home in 2014, it'll be the "professional left" types, much as it was in 2010(only this time, there won't be a lot of centrists joining them!).

The spectacle of not enough difference between political rivals looms large.

Which is mainly bullshit, and stoked by none other than the Ron Paul types desperately trying to destroy the Democratic party.

Regardless, I don't foresee a spectacular election year for our Dems.

Maybe not if we don't keep fighting election fraud & suppression; one thing I could see happening is that the Goppers COULD try the schtick they did last year, and if enough people get victimized, they could try to blame it on Syria.....of course, not everyone would fall for it, but some might......

[LiberalAndProud]

28. 2012 was not an off year. And Romney/Ryan were the opposition.

Very different scenario than 2014, in my view.

[AverageJoe90]

42. True to an extent......BUT.....

Romney and Ryan were about the best guys they had, that had ANY shot of winning.

And I would suspect that we've learned from most of our 2010 failures, as well as the fact that the GOP is accelerating their own destruction by doubling down on the crazy....which isn't sitting well even with some Republican voters.

[LiberalAndProud]

55. Our political state, in general, isn't sitting well with voters in general.

That tends to lead to apathy, which leads to low voter turnout, which has historically led to Republican wins. I hope my assessment is wrong and yours is correct. Still, we desperately need a better platform than lesser of evils. Desperately.

[sulphurdunn]

50. "Professional Left" type,

That's me, and I most definitely plan to sleep late on election day. I need to rest after all the time, money, shoe leather and bruised knuckles spent carrying a spear for the Democratic Party and the United States. I will have no more innocent blood on my hands because of service to the empire. Fuck it, and fuck anyone who doesn't have a problem with dropping bombs on kids and calling it moral.

[AverageJoe90]

51. I don't want a war, either.....but do you REALLY want to see a repeat of 2010?

[sulphurdunn]

56. If waging war is the only way

to support a political party, then I will not be part of that support. I will support no foreign war against a people who do not threaten me or mine with immanent harm. I will make no exception to that position for any reason whatsoever.

[quakerboy]

110. Do you?

Those Democrats pushing this war are the ones who will cause a repeat of 2010. Or maybe worse.

Why do they keep trying to self immolate? Anytime the Reps start to self destruct, we have to one up them somehow.

[grahamhgreen]

139. Does Obama?

[HardTimes99]

73. You are utterly misconstruing the 2010 mid-term results. While I do not have links handy right now,

2010 witnessed progresssive Dems returned to office in high percentages and progressive turnout in line with expectations.

Instead, 2010 saw a massive defeat of so-called Blue Dog Dems, mainly because voters in Blue Dog districts stayed home or voted Republican (illustrating Truman's dictum that, given a choice between Republican and Repub-lite, the people will choose the genuine article every time).

Stop blaming the 'professional left' (whatever the fuck that means) for the tactical and stratetic fuck-ups of Obama, Rahm and all the centrist Dems.

[LongTomH]

77. We need to keep reminding people of this! Thank you!

The only media comment on this came from Rachel Maddow.

[LiberalAndProud]

93. I remember

pining for Howard Dean and his 50-state strategy. "Rode hard and put away wet," pretty much describes how I felt about our treatment in that election year. We in the deep red states are left to our own devices. Well, good luck with that.

[AverageJoe90]

96. You do realize I wasn't talking about ALL progressives, right?

Indeed, many progressives DID do good work in 2010. But some DID stay home. And most of them who did were indeed "Professional Left" Greenwald and Hamsher types.

Let us hope we can still energize enough support to at least stay alive in '14, if not make more gains. And it would help if we could TRY to stay pragmatic, while not straying from our core values, either. It worked for us in 2012, even after the Benghazi mess.....

[Aerows]

158. No

You were just impugning 99.999% of them because they don't agree with Obama 100% of the time.

[AverageJoe90]

164. Not even close. I consider myself a Progressive, too.....albeit one of the more rational ones. nt

[Aerows]

166. Lots of people consider themselves things that they aren't.

Why, just today I was told I was a racist, and I don't consider myself a racist simply because I disagree with Obama.

Imagine my surprise that I can merely disagree with a politician and get the racist label lobbed at me.

[kath]

107. Thank you, thank you, thank you for this post. SOOOOOO frickin' sick of all the baseless bs spewed

About 2010 turnout.

[quakerboy]

111. My understanding was that even more than that

It wasnt the left that stayed home, it was the new voters who we convinced to come out out with a promise of hope and change, who didnt see it, and stayed home.

[Raksha]

143. Obama and Kerry and the rest of the PNAC types destroyed the Democratic Party.

I don't know if they did it on purpose or what, but you can't blame Ron Paul for pointing it out. Personally, as a card-carrying member of the "professional left" I'm not shedding any tears over it. It might give a real progressive movement--and by that I mean a political party--a fighting chance.

[AverageJoe90]

165. Or it'll hand over the White House to the Goppers in '16.

In fact, if we don't play our cards in the correct manner, that is FAR, FAR more likely to happen, than giving a solid national movement any real chance of success.
If we TRULY want change, we need to build this thing from the ground up.....and maybe learn to be a bit more pragmatic while we're at it.

[Aerows]

156. Libya isn't Syria

AverageJoe, and if you think that it is, knowing the political implications of them being an Iranian ally, you are hardly informed enough to even have opinion other than "Woot woot, Go to war, kill people". This isn't a football game. This is a geopolitical situation that can have some dire fucking consequences and has the potential to kill millions of people.

As a human being, I never take that lightly, and neither should anyone else.

[AverageJoe90]

163. The two situations aren't that much different, TBH.

Yes, it may be argued that Iran wasn't nearly as much of a factor in Libya as it is Syria, but here's the thing: The Russians were pretty big supporters of Gaddafi's regime at first, too. And unlike Syria, Libya has *plenty* of oil. And I distinctly remember the fears that Libya was going to turn into something much worse than it really was, and yes, even includingsome "imminent World War III" fearmongering.

This is a geopolitical situation that can have some dire fucking consequences and has the potential to kill millions of people.

As a human being, I never take that lightly, and neither should anyone else.

I'm not either. But some people are taking this WAY TOO FAR, which at least, is certainly just as bad, and, IMO, possibly worse than that. For all those paranoiacs out there looking for signs of a repeat of "the Guns of August" over this puny and insignificant nation called Syria....well, let's just say that the Creative Speculation section is right up their alley.....

[DirkGently]

29. Giving up the high ground on pointless wars will hurt.

Continually crowding Democratic Party policies over to the right is going to alienate not just "the professional left," but the working left, the regular left, the center-left, and the center.

Our party leadership is currently cuddling up with John "Bomb Iran" McCain, and Lindsay Graham and John Boehner for Pete's sake.

Anyone who thinks shoving yet another idiotic war down the throats of Americans who oppose it at 80+% is a good idea politically is kidding themselves.

[sendero]

125. Exactly..

.... people who don't get AMERICANS DON'T WANT ANOTHER PHONY WAR and that not starting one will somehow hurt Democrats are clueless.

Forget Obama he can't be elected again. Congressfolk who vote FOR this PHONY WAR will pay a political price, Americans don't mind being fucked over but not twice the same way.

[Aerows]

157. Amen

if people think getting a political black eye over a no vote is bad, wait until they get a political black eye over the yes vote.

[leftstreet]

27. The ENTIRE Congress is less popular than a colonoscopy

Everybody Hates Congress

June 19 2013

If the U.S. Congress was one of the kingdoms on HBO's "Game of Thrones," the only people who would support it would be members of the Stark family: in other words, a clan of rather honorable but naïve people whose numbers have been shrinking weekly to the verge of extinction. The latest assessment of Congress' low esteem came the other day from the Gallup polling organization, which says Congress has achieved historic unpopularity.

This is a god-awful state of affairs for the nation. And it presents special challenges for Republicans.

The new survey puts congressional approval at 10 percent, which is not only the lowest rating ever for Congress, Gallup says, but the worst it "has ever found for any institution it has measured since 1973." That's the year Gallup began measuring public approval of Congress. Even then, approval was only 42 percent, and that was in the midst of the Watergate scandal, which was a dark time during which Congress' star shined brightly.

To put some perspective on what these crummy approval numbers mean, another polling organization, Public Policy Polling, decided earlier this year to provide some context. In the PPP matrix, cockroaches, traffic jams and the much-maligned rock band Nickelback all found higher levels of approval than the U.S. Congress.


http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/keith-rupp/2013/06/19/poll-finds-congress-popularity-hits-historic-lows

[JaneyVee]

98. And Pres.Obama's is around 50%. GOP Congress at 9%.

[Dragonfli]

116. Is he running for the house or Senate? /nt

[Autumn]

4. That's they way I feel. Anyone votes yes on this I will not support them.

[okieinpain]

5. it can just as easily swing the other way. If Assad kills a tens of thousands

people might start to feel otherwise. there are tipping points that can go either way.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. You should check the casualty figures

they are up there.

[whatchamacallit]

8. Amen!

I'm never supporting this shit again. I hope they all get tossed.

[99th_Monkey]

9. Kick to High Heaven & Recommend Effusively ~eom

[DJ13]

11. They dont care

This one vote and their MIC campaign funding buddies will have an even nicer office waiting for them.

[eissa]

12. You know what really pisses me off about this whole thing?

Obama has made me agree with assholes like Justin Amash. I never thought I'd see the day

[WilliamPitt]

16. This.

[LuckyLib]

26. I commented the other day, "Holy shit. Michele Bachmann and I agree on this."

[David__77]

53. Agreed.

But Amash is, to my knowledge, the only Syrian-American in congress. As a Christian, I'm sure he is aware of the implications of the unfolding civil war there. Politics is a complicated game.

[HardTimes99]

74. I know we're through the rabbit hole when I'm in agreement with Rand Paul and

John Bolton on anything.

[Marrah_G]

99. I know, right?

[sarcasmo]

106. +2

[donheld]

112. indeed

[Junkdrawer]

13. Grayson on DN said emails and phone calls were running 100 to 1 against....

Golly, here on "liberal" DU, it seems so evenly matched.

[zipplewrath]

24. Inch deep but a mile wide

I'm afraid, like many things, the congress critters are hearing from the "vocal minority". The people that are up in arms about this are the ones making all the noise. Those that either don't care (the majority I'd bet) or support it, aren't particularly moved to call. But in November of 2014, it will be the majority that decides, not just the vocal opposition.

[cui bono]

119. Not really, it will still be the "vocal" ones that decide. Remember, we have very low voter

turnout in the US.

[bobduca]

138. The ProWarObamaLoyaltyBrigade is so Sensible!

Always Standing By Their Man as He Defends Our US Credibility Against Those Who Would Cross Red Lines!

[maxsolomon]

15. He sees the conflict through different eyes than most:

"Amash is a second generation Arab-American of Palestinian Christian and Syrian Greek Orthodox descent". I'd wager he's not so much pro-Assad as anti-Sunni, and not without reason.

But 2014 is a long way away, Justin. Assuming this is over by Xmas, Americans have the memories of crane flies.

[WillyT]

17. K & R !!!

[jessie04]

19. I heard the same thing said about Libya.

Obama won 2nd term.

[eissa]

22. Libya had nowhere near this level of opposition

Not even close.

[cali]

33. research it. the opposition to Libya wasn't as big as the opposition to Syria

furthermore, Libya was a NATO action backed by the U.N. Quite different.

[questionseverything]

103. libya and syria have something else in common tho

Iraq and Libya have been taken out, and Iran has been heavily boycotted. Syria is now in the cross-hairs. Why? Here is one overlooked scenario.

September 4, 2013 |
In an August 2013 article titled “Larry Summers and the Secret ‘End-game’ Memo,” Greg Palast posted evidence of a secret late-1990s plan devised by Wall Street and U.S. Treasury officials to open banking to the lucrative derivatives business. To pull this off required the relaxation of banking regulations not just in the US but globally. The vehicle to be used was the Financial Services Agreement of the World Trade Organization.

The “end-game” would require not just coercing support among WTO members but taking down those countries refusing to join. Some key countries remained holdouts from the WTO, including Iraq, Libya, Iran and Syria. In these Islamic countries, banks are largely state-owned; and “usury” – charging rent for the “use” of money – is viewed as a sin, if not a crime. That puts them at odds with the Western model of rent extraction by private middlemen. Publicly-owned banks are also a threat to the mushrooming derivatives business, since governments with their own banks don’t need interest rate swaps, credit default swaps, or investment-grade ratings by private rating agencies in order to finance their operations.

Bank deregulation proceeded according to plan, and the government-sanctioned and -nurtured derivatives business mushroomed into a $700-plus trillion pyramid scheme. Highly leveraged, completely unregulated, and dangerously unsustainable, it collapsed in 2008 when investment bank Lehman Brothers went bankrupt, taking a large segment of the global economy with it. The countries that managed to escape were those sustained by public banking models outside the international banking net.

These countries were not all Islamic. Forty percent of banks globally are publicly-owned. They are largely in the BRIC countries—Brazil, Russia, India and China—which house forty percent of the global population. They also escaped the 2008 credit crisis, but they at least made a show of conforming to Western banking rules. This was not true of the “rogue” Islamic nations, where usury was forbidden by Islamic teaching. To make the world safe for usury, these rogue states had to be silenced by other means. Having failed to succumb to economic coercion, they wound up in the crosshairs of the powerful US military

[DeSwiss]

21. This is a perfect example of just how fucked-up this administration is.....

...when they've got me and other liberals agreeing with the likes of this asshole.

- K&R

[carolinayellowdog]

25. Robert Hurt and Morgan Griffith may get this quoted to them in my messages

This month I'm moving from VA-05 to VA-09 so can write to both as a constituent. Have never in my life communicated with a Republican congressman's office, as there never seemed to be any point-- they'd do the wrong thing, regardless. For once, this seems to be something where they might listen to a constituent in a non-partisan way.

[jessie04]

30. I put my trust in other people.

Pres.Obama
VP JOE BIDEN
SOS KERRY
MIN LEADER NANCY PELOSI
( FUTURE PRES.) HILARY CLINTON
CONG.DEBBIE-WASSERMAN SCHULTZ
HOWARD DEAN
SEN. CARDEN
SEN MENENDEZ ( NJ)
SEN COONS
SEN. BOXER
SEN DICK DURBIN
SEN Jeanne Shaheen
SEN Tim Kaine


The repukes only reason for opposing military action is they hate Obama. They couldn't care less about morals or ethics. They only want Obama to FAIL !!!

If you buddy up with dogs, you will get fleas.

[Isoldeblue]

31. +1 n/t

[cali]

35. I put my trust in my own faculties and research

I certainly trust my congressional delegation more than anyone on your list, but how they vote doesn't influence me.

[Marr]

52. +1

[carolinayellowdog]

72. I trust your congressional delegation more than anyone else's except Oregon

One of my senators is presumably undecided but Warner and Kaine will both probably end up as yeses. Our House delegation will be interesting to watch; Scott sounds like an eventual no in this story and Rigell has been rather vocally anti- in other interviews.

[whatchamacallit]

36. Lol!

Sick fucking joke.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

38. you forgot a few people on that list.

John Boehner
Eric Cantor
John McCain
Lindsey Graham

[woo me with science]

39. Dick Cheney.

Joe Lieberman.

[Dragonfli]

117. John Yoo AKA the baby ball crusher /nt

[jessie04]

43. They are joining the dems.

The repukes don't give a shit about morals and ethics. They just want Obama to fail.

[whatchamacallit]

45. No

the dems are joining the neocons.

[jessie04]

47. No....Obama called for surgical strikes...

and a few pukes joined HIM.

The rest of them simply hate Obama so much , they put their hatred ahead of everything.

[truebluegreen]

66. "Surgical strikes"

What a load of BS.

[jessie04]

83. Of course..... you have more intel than the President.

thx

[truebluegreen]

100. And of course the President has access to bombs

that completely spare civilians.

That must be why he uses drones.

Not.

[beerandjesus]

142. That's EXACTLY what people were saying to me when I opposed Iraq.

[durablend]

159. Clearly those of us against the war

Are aligned with Hitler, right?

[Carolina]

131. there is no such thing

as a fucking surgical strike. You're delusional to think a BOMB can be so precise

Sheesh what about flying shrapnel from the targeted, struck target?! What about the destruction of infrastructure leading to and from that target... water, electrical lines, etc. Ya think that will hurt Assad or innocent Syrians like children?

Think!

[NuclearDem]

41. Dr Fate did it a lot better.

[AverageJoe90]

44. Damn straight. n/t

[jessie04]

49. Thanks....I was getting a little lonely. LOL

[frylock]

62. and the repukes that DO support military action? what's their motivation?

and I do agree with you on this:

If you buddy up with dogs, you will get fleas.

take a look at the dogs that Obama is buddying up with.

[bigwillq]

65. Obama needs a flea bath

[jessie04]

79. They agreed with Obama...not the other way around.

Their motivation?... They agreed with Obama that a line was crossed...and it was.

[frylock]

81. clearly, they trust president obama on this just as you do..

who am I to question the judgment of the likes of Dick Cheney or Lindsay Graham?

[jessie04]

82. I do trust the President.

I couldn't care less what the 2 clowns you mentioned think.

[frylock]

86. just as i don't give a fuck what YOU or the republicans against this insanity think..

I don't give a fuck who agrees with who, or who agreed with who first. see how that works? ain't life fucking grand?

[jessie04]

89. Thx. nt

[bigwillq]

64. I don't trust anyone of them on this issue.

I have always liked Dean, but I am against him on this issue. Still love Dean, though. We just disagree here.

[former9thward]

70. Try not to get too many fleas off of Cheney, Bush, Rove, Boehner, etc.

You are buddies with them if you support the Syrian war.

[Nevernose]

71. There is nothing moral or ethical about launching missiles

You can argue that it's necessary, you can argue that it's logical or legal or lots of other things. You can argue that those repuke's motivations are motivated purely by Obama-hate (you'd be right about that).

But morality applied to cruise missiles? Ridiculous.

[Savannahmann]

75. There is an old saying.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. I've asked this question before. I support legalization of Marijuana. Libertarians support legalization of Marijuana. Some Republicans support legalization of Marijuana. Why not form a coalition of those who agree on this one single issue.

The Democratic Party Purists refuse to consider pointing out how it will empower the Libertarians to think they are popular. They are right IMO on one issue. That doesn't mean I agree with them on anything else, nor would I vote with them on any other issue. It just means on one issue we have agreement.

I oppose bombing Syria because there is no way it ends well. It makes us look asinine, and it could reasonably lead to world war III. So I don't want the bombing. I don't care why someone votes with me. I don't care if they are racist pigs. My reasons are well thought out and are taking many things into consideration including but not limited to the participants in the civil war, there are no good guys. The reaction of the Russians, at best, hostile, at worst outright hostilities. The stupidity of the outlined plans, you can't bomb chemical weapons, they are then released and then we've gassed the people of Syria. We can claim it was unintentional, but when the Russians demand sanctions in the UN for it what is our action going to be? Probably Veto, which makes us look like imperialist thugs.

Now, let's say that Rep. Alan Grayson agrees with me, and votes the way I think he should. Does that mean he's racist because some other jackass on the other side of the aisle is? Does that make me racist?

Claiming I am empowering Racists and haters by reaching a conclusion based upon facts and logic none of which has anything to do with race or party is in a word, juvenile.

The Republicans may be assholes, but on this issue, they have joined with Democrats to oppose the bombings. That makes opposition bi-partisan, which is supposed to be good. I don't care if they are voting this way because they hate the President. I don't care if they are voting this way because they would rather embarrass a Democrat than vote for war. I know why I oppose it, I know why Representative Grayson opposes it, and I know why other Democrats oppose it.

So take your dogs, and your fleas, and put them somewhere else. Because if you and the President and Nancy Pelosi get their way and start bombing, we'll be lucky to survive it, because there is the very real possibility that it leads to World War III which will be fought with big missiles flying over the north pole to eliminate whole cities.

[Raksha]

146. Well said! +1000

[HardTimes99]

76. Um, you better apply some Karl Rove and Norm Coleman flea treatment to yourself then - nt

[jessie04]

80. Not me...

I couldn't give a rats ass what they think. They happen to agree with Obama....not the other way around.

[frylock]

85. derpa derpa derp

[JoeyT]

118. I blindly trust authority!

But don't you call me an authoritarian!!!!

Whee!

[Ocelot]

141. You'd better get yourself some Frontline, then

If you buddy up with dogs, you will get fleas.

DICK CHENEY
JOHN BOEHNER
JOE LIEBERMAN
KARL ROVE
ERIC CANTOR
JOHN MCCAIN
And many more WARMONGERING ASSHOLES...

You must have quite the infestation going on at your house.

[Brickbat]

32. So, so glad my DFL (Dem) Rep is voting against it.

Rick Nolan represent!

[progressoid]

34. I wish.

I don't think Americans will make this the issue that they use to vote someone out. Assuming they remember it in November.

[Myrina]

40. If votes counted as much as MIC donor dollars,

then, maybe. But in this day & age of redistricting, suppression and oh, yeah, Diebolding, I highly doubt that the candidate with the most popular votes really has a 100% chance of taking office if the powers that be don't want him/her to.

[pinboy3niner]

46. For many, this vote won't affect their re-election chances much

But it will be a really BFD for Republicans on the Pres. wannabe list for 2016. Especially with Rubio and Rand already down as solid NO votes.

[David__77]

54. It might just ending up mattering for the Democrats' 2016 primary as well.

That is yet to be seen. Many of us will be looking to who says yes and who says no.

[Adrahil]

59. Maybe...

...but I guess I'm in the minority here, as I think reasonable people can disagree on this subject. My wife certainly disagrees with me!

[hvn_nbr_2]

57. Unfortunately, public opposition or support has absolutely no effect on Congress.

Congress votes the way the big-bucks checks come in.

If public opinion mattered at all, we'd have background checks to buy military assault weapons.

[iamthebandfanman]

60. Yes, keep posting right wing

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lunatics as your voice of conscience.

thatll get people to stop accusing you of alliances and similarities to them.

[WilliamPitt]

61. As my voice of conscious?

...speaking of similarities to them.

[iamthebandfanman]

84. was it easier to find my type-o

than to find a progressive that shares your view ?
I doubt it....

so why post a quote from some one like amash ?

P.s.

thanks for correcting me.. ill be sure to correct my post so that you can focus on my point rather than attacking my mistake (that you keep posting right wing nutjobs quotes and then whine when people point it out)

[WilliamPitt]

91. "...to find a progressive that shares your view ?"

Um.

Never mind.

P.S. "type-o" is what makes your post art.

[carolinayellowdog]

137. a typo is when you know the right spelling and hit the wrong key

But you didn't make a spelling error either-- "conscious" is a correctly spelled word, but it is the wrong word, not a misspelling of "conscience" which is correct.

[frylock]

68. it's almost as if the right-wing lunatics that DO support this don't exist..

and I don't think you know what a conscience is. your post paints you as just another team player.

[bigwillq]

63. K and R

[4bucksagallon]

67. Good the usual cast of caricatures, I mean characters minus some of the most vocal.

I guess they have divided up their forces for an all out blitz. Who said we were going to war anyway? I don't know where everyone is hearing that we are sending in our troops please place the link here so we can all see.

[forestpath]

69. K&R

[tritsofme]

78. I don't typically rely on Justin Amash and Rand Paul for political advice.

[frylock]

87. but lindsay graham and john mccain?

[jessie04]

88. Nor should you...... Nor should any human being.

never thought I would see that.

[iamthebandfanman]

90. Beyond his isolationist stance..

will you be posting any more words of wisdom from Justin Amash ?

Like his position on social security ?
maybe his anti-choice stance ?

yeah, keep it up indeed.

[jessie04]

95. I really never heard of Justin Amash before today....

and I hope I never hear about him again.

[carolinayellowdog]

140. a Christian Arab congressman is someone you hope never to hear about again?

They're a minority that is hugely at risk in the Middle East right now and for that reason alone I want to know his opinion regardless of partisan affiliation. The Syrian Christian who confronted McCain at the Town Hall was most eloquent about the unsavory religious politics of the rebels and their foreign friends.

[sheshe2]

92. ....

[NYC_SKP]

94. LOL. "AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service"

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

Mail Message
At Thu Sep 5, 2013, 05:03 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

"If you're voting yes on military action in #Syria, might as well start cleaning out your office."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023604428

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

this post shows that the author does not vote for Democrats

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Sep 5, 2013, 05:08 PM, and the Jury voted 0-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: The alerting member must be very new to this discussion board.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: This alert shows that the alerter is an idiot.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Who alerted on this? Some mini-Rumsfeld who alerts all posts he/she doesn't agree with? Bet if Amash had said "Let's bomb them all to shit and back!" it wouldn't have been alerted.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No, the post shows that this issue is bringing a lot of political "enemies" together. Alan Grayson declared himself to be in agreement with Sarah Palin on Syria today on "Democracy Now!" The post doesn't make WilliamPitt any less of a Dem than Alan Grayson.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

K/R

[Junkdrawer]

97. William Pitt does not vote for Democrats?

The things you learn on DU.....

[WilliamPitt]

102. This is the greatest moment of my life.

[A HERETIC I AM]

104. Tsk tsk....I'm tellin Lola!

Hee hee.

[Dr. Strange]

108. Your gig is up, Freeper!

[Enthusiast]

115. Incredible...........nt

[beerandjesus]

132. But the laughter sticks in my craw just a bit....

...on account of the implication that OPPOSING war is "rude", "hurtful", or "insensitive".


Cuz you know, it's SO impolite to Obama to think it's a bad idea to drop bombs on people.......

[lunasun]

101. Therefore, my Harry, Be it thy course to busy giddy minds With foreign quarrels, that action, hence

Therefore, my Harry,
Be it thy course to busy giddy minds
With foreign quarrels, that action, hence
borne out, May waste the memory of the former days.
HenryV Shakespeare

Foreign WAR TALK alone not even actual action keeps everything out of discussion about what is going on here @ home -doesn't it??
NSA TPP Fracking Voter suppression Fed appointments all get mentioned less and less as Syria occupies more and more discussion

[Schema Thing]

105. well that's gonna be great for the country, isn't it?

how has it worked out the last few times Democrats got pissy, en masse?

[wisteria]

109. BS

And, when all this whipped up opposition is proven to been WRONG and we and our allies benefit from this action, this suggested threat will be nothing more than amusing.

[cui bono]

120. What benefits do you foresee for us?

[pecwae]

122. Yep, should be a laugh

riot after death and destruction is caused by US strikes.

[ProSense]

114. If only voting yes on repealing Obamacare would have the same effect. n/t

[urbuddha]

121. Anyone voting for war should be voted out of office.

Only peace...no war.

[oberliner]

123. Always good to hear from the Young Republicans

Justin Amash is a far RW Tea Party, Club for Growth, Freedom Works Republican.

[beerandjesus]

133. Which makes it that much more gratifying to see that he's right about this one.

[oberliner]

134. Why do you think so many Republicans are right on this one?

Do you think it would be any different if someone other than Obama was president?

[beerandjesus]

135. Yes.

I think they oppose striking Syria out of blind hatred for Obama, and if one of their guys were proposing the same thing, they'd be falling all over themselves to demonstrate how "tough" they are.

But if that's what it takes to stop us from inflicting carnage on a weak nation, so be it. And it still feels good, just for once, to have the Bad Guys siding with us who oppose war!

[B Calm]

124. Republicans are one issue voters. Hopefully this vote will destroy the GOP!

[marew]

127. A local poll in Largo (Tampa Bay) FL

Your Turn
Poll on US military intervention in Syria
Do you think Congress should authorize President Obama's plan to launch a military strike against the regime of Bashar al-Assad in Syria?

Yes, war crimes have been committed there. Assad needs to be punished and US credibility needs to be maintained.
16%
No, the US is war weary and should avoid becoming entangled in a civil war taking place in a complicated Middle East nation.
69%
Not sure, the evidence as to who committed the war crimes is inconclusive and the objective of US intervention is unclear.
15%

Total votes: 19709

[Rebellious Republican]

129. Call me a skeptic, I will believe it when I see it.

[michigandem58]

151. Republican opposition is out of Obama hate - you can't see that? n/t

[Aerows]

153. I'm interested in results

If they oppose Obama out of hate, oh well. Results are far more important than petty popularity contest framework. This isn't a decision on who is the President of the Student Body for high school, this is a decision against annihilating tangential targets because we are dropping bombs.

If you don't understand that, I suggest you visit a library and read up on war. War has a way of becoming mission creep, destroying people on both sides due to that mission creep, and this one has the hallmarks of mission creep that will make Vietnam seem like a playground.

[WilliamPitt]

154. Is that all that matters?

[durablend]

160. Let's see...the choice is between

Killing even more people or giving the president a sad.

Lemme think about this...

[jessie04]

161. Well, dont worry.

If you don't like these chemical weapons, once this dictator gets a free pass, you'll like the next chemical weapons better.

[cali]

167. you are bound and determined to embarrass yourself.

I think you actually believe that you're being clever with that silliness.

you ain't, honeypie.

[woo me with science]

170. kick