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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA longer view on military interventionism
I have made no secret of my opposition to a unilateral military intervention in Syria. My opposition would stand even if it turns out that Assad used chemical weapons against the rebels and against civilian populations.
No, I most certainly dont endorse attacking civilian groups with any sort of deadly weapons. My problem has much more to do with the unilateralism of the action. Even a NATO intervention would in effect be unilateral in my eyes because of the degree to which the US, Britain and to some degree France dominateand dictate the policies of that body.
Under what circumstances might I concede the right r duty of outside agencies to use deadly force to punish, deter or incapacitate a malevolent government bent on killing people within its boundaries? Well. If some such body as the World Court found unmistakable evidence that banned weapons had been used and then if the UN voted to take action, I think I could go along with that. The intervention would have to be multilateral, of course.
The obvious problem is that the UN is generally incapable of deciding on an actual military action, largely because of the Security Council veto rule. Russia or China could stop whatever intervention they chose to block, regardless of its merits. To me, the best solution would be to re-write the rules so that a supermajority of some sort (80% of nations? 90%?) would be sufficient.
Of course, this would be very hard to accomplish. Most of the major powers, including the US, wouldnt have signed on to the formation of the UN without the veto provision.
This of course leaves us with a serious problem: There is no supranational body with the power to actually enforce international law. Whatever the outcome of the current Middle Eastern situation, the problem remains. The only way for the law to be enforced is by international vigilantism.
For this and many other reasons, the world needs a stronger supranational body. I think that we really ought to view the formation of such an entity to be a primary goal for Progressives. The body must be sufficiently strong to enforce its own laws, but not so strong as to morph into a worldwide dictatorship. There must, for example, be ways for it to fight off domination by the super-rich, the corporations, the international banks.
I have no particularly good idea of how to go about thatalmost any system humans can create, humans can also pervert in catastrophic ways. But in a world already in bondage to the transnational corporations and their unholy trade treaties, how much do we have to lose by trying?
leftstreet
(36,108 posts)Your post is excellent
But I'm sick and tired of the whole thing, and I guarantee you there is NO WAY to 'fight off domination by the super-rich, the corporations, the international banks,' when they're the ones causing all the chaos to begin with
KoKo
(84,711 posts)They've both been allowed to languish or get bogged down in nation squabbles along with "Political Appointees" who often are not allied with "Humanitarian Concerns" but, with "the power that appointed them...which can often mean they are "Put Up Jobs."
I worry a third group could end up like what we here in US are dealing with in the "Department of Homeland Security" which is renegade. Or the NSA now assuming powers that only CIA/FBI had in the past.
But...something, for sure, need to be done. The United Nations hasn't worked like it's supposed to in the original vision and could use a "housecleaning" and some stricter guidelines for rotating countries through to break the deadlock that the Super Powers now have.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)International law can have little real force so long as there is no real means of enforcing it, of vindicating its claims against the most powerful as well as the weaker. As matters stand now, the powerful enforce it, or claim to enforce it, against the weak. At times they may actually be acting to vindicate law against criminal behavior, but at others they may be simply using the claim of enforcing law as cover for aggrandizement or settling scores.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)Johonny
(20,851 posts)but that really isn't the issue.
This isn't a game of clue so knowing who did what with the chemical weapon in the ballroom is sort of a small matter. Yet it has driven almost the entire conversation.
The real conversation to me is, how much do we have to do to 'help', how long, at what cost, who pays the cost, what is the end goal, and what is the probability that end goal will be achieved.
To me there is a lot of air between the why and all the other questions I want to know the answer to.