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cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 01:40 PM Sep 2013

Has President Obama proven himself as commander of our armed forces?

Do you think he is a capable Commander in Chief who can make smart decisions regarding our military and how best to use it?

Or do you think he is incompetent because of his decision regarding Syria?


6 votes, 1 pass | Time left: Unlimited
Yes
5 (83%)
No
1 (17%)
He still needs to do more
0 (0%)
I don't know
0 (0%)
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Has President Obama proven himself as commander of our armed forces? (Original Post) cynatnite Sep 2013 OP
He won twice when he ran for that job JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #1
So far he's shown that he listens to the Pentagon too much. polichick Sep 2013 #2
Pretty much n/t Aerows Sep 2013 #12
Yes but what exactly do you mean by "proven himself as commander of our armed forces?" mulsh Sep 2013 #3
I totally agree with you... cynatnite Sep 2013 #7
Not this manipulation again. woo me with science Sep 2013 #4
Manipulation? I was curious what people thought...that's all... cynatnite Sep 2013 #5
Badly worded zipplewrath Sep 2013 #6
I agree, but I think Syria will also be poor hammer weilding. I think it is inevitable there will be Erose999 Sep 2013 #13
Probably not zipplewrath Sep 2013 #17
not a good poll so I'll pass on it. cali Sep 2013 #8
Fix your poll whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #9
THANK YOU whatchamacallit fadedrose Sep 2013 #15
The way it's currently worded whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #18
What's so amazing is he got votes for capable & incompetent.... fadedrose Sep 2013 #24
Just this once I would like an American president who doesn't prove himself as CIC. PDJane Sep 2013 #10
Obama acts as a war monger. avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #11
I think he's been much too aggressive. nt bemildred Sep 2013 #14
One proves ones self by getting 270 electoral votes, so yes. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #16
I suggest you delete this poll .... oldhippie Sep 2013 #19
My opinion of him has decidedly changed based on the Syria matter thus far. hamsterjill Sep 2013 #20
Poll fail! You've got 2 questions. AtomicKitten Sep 2013 #21
I don't know Xyzse Sep 2013 #22
Two dialectically opposed questions, one yes or no answer. cherokeeprogressive Sep 2013 #23

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
1. He won twice when he ran for that job
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 01:44 PM
Sep 2013

But I'm not sure if this question correlates to the Syria question.


Just because I choose to believe the President earned and proved he was ready to be Commander in Chief by winning two elections fair and square without having to cheat or disenfranchise people . . . doesn't mean I believe he should as commander in Chief take action against Syria.

mulsh

(2,959 posts)
3. Yes but what exactly do you mean by "proven himself as commander of our armed forces?"
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 01:55 PM
Sep 2013

I've read the constitution, there is nothing in it beyond an individual's qualifications to be president to qualify for being "commander in chief of the armed forces"

Also in what way do you think this particular president has been incompetent?

Going to congress to request going to war is exactly what all presidents should have done in regards to our past overseas adventures. I find this move on our president's part to a number of fine example of his qualifications and competence in this office.

He has done many things that I don't agree with, but I knew he would do so when I voted for him.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
4. Not this manipulation again.
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 01:56 PM
Sep 2013

The constant push to turn this into a game of personal loyalty or disloyalty to a man, to demand judgments and up or down votes on a MAN, rather than the policies.... is really pathetic at this point, and very telling re: the desperation and vacancy of the arguments.



Last talking point refuge: Try to make it about being mean to a Democrat
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3590144

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
5. Manipulation? I was curious what people thought...that's all...
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:01 PM
Sep 2013

There was nothing more than curiosity about the general consensus regarding Obama and his military decisions.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
6. Badly worded
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:01 PM
Sep 2013

He's a competent commander in chief. He CAN make smart decisions, but hasn't always done so. His decision regarding Syria isn't "incompetent", it's just wrong. He wields the hammer well, he just does a poor job of identifying nails.

Erose999

(5,624 posts)
13. I agree, but I think Syria will also be poor hammer weilding. I think it is inevitable there will be
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:13 PM
Sep 2013

US airmen shot down and/or captured which will pull us into a ground war. Not to mention involvement of Syria's neighboring countries and Iran.

Obama is selling this to the public as a "3 hour tour". A threeeeee hour toooooooour.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
17. Probably not
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 03:01 PM
Sep 2013

It will be an "arms length" effort. Mostly cruise missiles and drones. We can shoot down planes from a distance so great that we'd never have to be over Syrian soil. Truth is we can cover much of the country from the Med.

PDJane

(10,103 posts)
10. Just this once I would like an American president who doesn't prove himself as CIC.
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:07 PM
Sep 2013

You know, one who didn't think that bombing the shit out of a black, brown, or other country was the way to go.

 

avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
11. Obama acts as a war monger.
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:09 PM
Sep 2013

I didn't vote in your poll, it is too confusing. It would be clearer if you only had one question.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
16. One proves ones self by getting 270 electoral votes, so yes.
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:52 PM
Sep 2013

It's not something you have to demonstrate aptitude for during the interview.

In fact, the very act of accepting your premise renders the CiC incompetent. He doesn't have anything to prove, and the idea that he does is part of the reason we're on the march... again.

 

oldhippie

(3,249 posts)
19. I suggest you delete this poll ....
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 03:05 PM
Sep 2013

.... and try again with something rational. You questions cannot be answered within the poll answers.

hamsterjill

(15,221 posts)
20. My opinion of him has decidedly changed based on the Syria matter thus far.
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 03:06 PM
Sep 2013

I will try to keep an open mind as things unfold, but I have serious reservations about (l) the United States getting involved at all, (2) having an exit stategy, and (3) how things have been handled to date (i.e., first not getting Congressional approval, then changing his mind to get it, Britain abstaining from the conflict, etc.)

To me, Obama's announcement that he was going to act, then pulling that back timewise, has only given Assad more time to get his ducks in a row.



Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
22. I don't know
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 03:36 PM
Sep 2013

The only reason I voted for Obama is because he is not as bad as the alternative.

Stating that, in regards to everything dealing with Military action, in regards to their decisions and actions, I mostly took that out of the equation. My reasoning, is that I did not see the point. Both McCain and Obama would have done the same thing in regards to Iraq, which is "React" and do what the situation on the ground compels them to do. They are reactionary. The difference is the time frame of when they decide to act, and more importantly, how they would have been percieved in the World. In that, Obama came way up ahead. In winning the presidency, he brought about good will since he is percieved as far more diplomatic.

That, is usually good, unless one then becomes percieved as either weak, indecisive or worse lacking in credibility.

The US for better or worse is a country the world looks to to lead. It is that which allows the US to influence other countries.

I can understand that he deliberates, but events can't wait at times. There is a balance that must be met between what can be seen as intelligent deliberation and indecisiveness. In some cases, he has proved to be effective(such as Osama and Captain Phillips), while not so much in others.

I limit my criticism when it comes to military matters. I have to admit that I don't have enough information to make a very informed decision.

Even in regards to Syria, there are so many factors I have to consider but can be grouped as follows:

Domestic
-Cost
-Time
Foreign
-Influence
-Regional Stability
-Perception

Then that can be further split. I think about the cost, as well as how important it is for the US to keep to what it says. Without that, losing credibility is dangerous.

Still, I don't know where I stand. I don't want to go in to Syria but I feel like Obama messed up by setting up a threat pointing to a red line. In doing so, it serves a dangerous precedent if there is no follow through. When other countries can not trust to know what the US will do as it says.... I don't know... Thinking about it, with a change in Presidency that might change again, but... it could just get worse.

Either way, priorities are completely skewed. When there are so much houses that are abandoned, enough so that every homeless person can have 5 houses a piece, and health of our citizens is left to predatory aspects of the market just frustrates me.

Still, if they do strike on Syria, it may help in stopping another showdown in government financing though there is no guarantee.

I apologize, like I mentioned, there are so many factors that I have to think of, that my post becomes a mess since I am actually still working things through as well, while having to admit that I don't have enough information. Sometimes, when I think about it, it might be easier to do one counterstrike each time they use such a gas on their citizenry, and leave it at that. That would be messy as well, and I don't really advocate that either.

So, for now, to tell the truth... Syria is not that important to me. I still rather concentrate on health care, the economy and education. It has become the new issue, rather than the NSA thing. So I concentrate on my priorities which is what I have just mentioned rather than the hot topic of the day.

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