General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHas President Obama proven himself as commander of our armed forces?
Do you think he is a capable Commander in Chief who can make smart decisions regarding our military and how best to use it?
Or do you think he is incompetent because of his decision regarding Syria?
6 votes, 1 pass | Time left: Unlimited | |
Yes | |
5 (83%) |
|
No | |
1 (17%) |
|
He still needs to do more | |
0 (0%) |
|
I don't know | |
0 (0%) |
|
1 DU member did not wish to select any of the options provided. | |
Show usernames
Disclaimer: This is an Internet poll |
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)But I'm not sure if this question correlates to the Syria question.
Just because I choose to believe the President earned and proved he was ready to be Commander in Chief by winning two elections fair and square without having to cheat or disenfranchise people . . . doesn't mean I believe he should as commander in Chief take action against Syria.
polichick
(37,152 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)mulsh
(2,959 posts)I've read the constitution, there is nothing in it beyond an individual's qualifications to be president to qualify for being "commander in chief of the armed forces"
Also in what way do you think this particular president has been incompetent?
Going to congress to request going to war is exactly what all presidents should have done in regards to our past overseas adventures. I find this move on our president's part to a number of fine example of his qualifications and competence in this office.
He has done many things that I don't agree with, but I knew he would do so when I voted for him.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)I was curious what everyone else thought which is why I asked.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)The constant push to turn this into a game of personal loyalty or disloyalty to a man, to demand judgments and up or down votes on a MAN, rather than the policies.... is really pathetic at this point, and very telling re: the desperation and vacancy of the arguments.
Last talking point refuge: Try to make it about being mean to a Democrat
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3590144
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)There was nothing more than curiosity about the general consensus regarding Obama and his military decisions.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)He's a competent commander in chief. He CAN make smart decisions, but hasn't always done so. His decision regarding Syria isn't "incompetent", it's just wrong. He wields the hammer well, he just does a poor job of identifying nails.
Erose999
(5,624 posts)US airmen shot down and/or captured which will pull us into a ground war. Not to mention involvement of Syria's neighboring countries and Iran.
Obama is selling this to the public as a "3 hour tour". A threeeeee hour toooooooour.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)It will be an "arms length" effort. Mostly cruise missiles and drones. We can shoot down planes from a distance so great that we'd never have to be over Syrian soil. Truth is we can cover much of the country from the Med.
cali
(114,904 posts)push poll, in fact.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)A simple yes or no can't apply to two opposing questions.
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)Why didn't I think to say that....
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)the 23 'yes' votes indicate Obama is a capable CinC and incompetent. Lol.
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)What does that say about DU'ers?
PDJane
(10,103 posts)You know, one who didn't think that bombing the shit out of a black, brown, or other country was the way to go.
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)I didn't vote in your poll, it is too confusing. It would be clearer if you only had one question.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)It's not something you have to demonstrate aptitude for during the interview.
In fact, the very act of accepting your premise renders the CiC incompetent. He doesn't have anything to prove, and the idea that he does is part of the reason we're on the march... again.
oldhippie
(3,249 posts).... and try again with something rational. You questions cannot be answered within the poll answers.
hamsterjill
(15,221 posts)I will try to keep an open mind as things unfold, but I have serious reservations about (l) the United States getting involved at all, (2) having an exit stategy, and (3) how things have been handled to date (i.e., first not getting Congressional approval, then changing his mind to get it, Britain abstaining from the conflict, etc.)
To me, Obama's announcement that he was going to act, then pulling that back timewise, has only given Assad more time to get his ducks in a row.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Xyzse
(8,217 posts)The only reason I voted for Obama is because he is not as bad as the alternative.
Stating that, in regards to everything dealing with Military action, in regards to their decisions and actions, I mostly took that out of the equation. My reasoning, is that I did not see the point. Both McCain and Obama would have done the same thing in regards to Iraq, which is "React" and do what the situation on the ground compels them to do. They are reactionary. The difference is the time frame of when they decide to act, and more importantly, how they would have been percieved in the World. In that, Obama came way up ahead. In winning the presidency, he brought about good will since he is percieved as far more diplomatic.
That, is usually good, unless one then becomes percieved as either weak, indecisive or worse lacking in credibility.
The US for better or worse is a country the world looks to to lead. It is that which allows the US to influence other countries.
I can understand that he deliberates, but events can't wait at times. There is a balance that must be met between what can be seen as intelligent deliberation and indecisiveness. In some cases, he has proved to be effective(such as Osama and Captain Phillips), while not so much in others.
I limit my criticism when it comes to military matters. I have to admit that I don't have enough information to make a very informed decision.
Even in regards to Syria, there are so many factors I have to consider but can be grouped as follows:
Domestic
-Cost
-Time
Foreign
-Influence
-Regional Stability
-Perception
Then that can be further split. I think about the cost, as well as how important it is for the US to keep to what it says. Without that, losing credibility is dangerous.
Still, I don't know where I stand. I don't want to go in to Syria but I feel like Obama messed up by setting up a threat pointing to a red line. In doing so, it serves a dangerous precedent if there is no follow through. When other countries can not trust to know what the US will do as it says.... I don't know... Thinking about it, with a change in Presidency that might change again, but... it could just get worse.
Either way, priorities are completely skewed. When there are so much houses that are abandoned, enough so that every homeless person can have 5 houses a piece, and health of our citizens is left to predatory aspects of the market just frustrates me.
Still, if they do strike on Syria, it may help in stopping another showdown in government financing though there is no guarantee.
I apologize, like I mentioned, there are so many factors that I have to think of, that my post becomes a mess since I am actually still working things through as well, while having to admit that I don't have enough information. Sometimes, when I think about it, it might be easier to do one counterstrike each time they use such a gas on their citizenry, and leave it at that. That would be messy as well, and I don't really advocate that either.
So, for now, to tell the truth... Syria is not that important to me. I still rather concentrate on health care, the economy and education. It has become the new issue, rather than the NSA thing. So I concentrate on my priorities which is what I have just mentioned rather than the hot topic of the day.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Evil genius.