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davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:38 AM Sep 2013

You know that Montana judge that gave the 30 day sentence to the rapist?

Apparently he wants a do-over since the law requires a 2-year minimum sentence...



(CNN) -- A 30-day rape sentence given to a teacher who admitted to raping his 14-year-old student may be illegal, according to the Montana judge who imposed it.

The judge scheduled a new hearing for Friday.

"The Defendant shall be present at argument as the Court, if necessary and appropriate, will amend the mandatory minimum portion of the sentence," read a court order filed Tuesday.

It appears the mandatory minimum is two years, not 30 days, the order said.


http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/03/us/montana-teacher-rape/index.html
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You know that Montana judge that gave the 30 day sentence to the rapist? (Original Post) davidn3600 Sep 2013 OP
The only thing he regrets is getting caught. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #1
Yep. joshcryer Sep 2013 #2
This bozo needed a law to tell him that a rapist should get more than 30 days? n/t deutsey Sep 2013 #3
Even the minimum sounds too lenient !! Theyletmeeatcake2 Sep 2013 #4
Amen! Delphinus Sep 2013 #6
Wondering what kind of sentence he gives to a pot smoker? B Calm Sep 2013 #5
I know this guy deserves sulphurdunn Sep 2013 #7
Reading comprehension hobbit709 Sep 2013 #8
The judge is accountable for his error. tclambert Sep 2013 #9
Why do you assume the defendant is left no right to appeal? Jim Lane Sep 2013 #12
Unless I'm mistaken sulphurdunn Sep 2013 #13
I'm guessing it's more complicated than that. Jim Lane Sep 2013 #14
OK sulphurdunn Sep 2013 #15
I applaud all those who put pressure on this incompetent judge BrotherIvan Sep 2013 #10
lmao... davids threads just is not going the direction he want. people should be outraged this seabeyond Sep 2013 #11
 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
7. I know this guy deserves
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 06:54 AM
Sep 2013

everything the law can throw at him, but it concerns me that a judge can overrule his own sentence, leave the defendant with no right to appeal and not be held accountable himself. Should that bother me or am I reading this wrong?

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
8. Reading comprehension
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 06:58 AM
Sep 2013

The law says a 2 year minimum, so the judge violated the law with a 30 day sentence.

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
9. The judge is accountable for his error.
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 07:00 AM
Sep 2013

He may have to suffer the embarrassment of a reversal. So sad.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
12. Why do you assume the defendant is left no right to appeal?
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 06:29 PM
Sep 2013

I don't know Montana law but the most common rule is that a defendant can appeal a criminal sentence. If the defendant is resentenced but has some argument about why the two-year minimum doesn't apply to this case, he can raise that with the appellate court, even though it's presumably now too late to appeal the underlying determination of his guilt. (According to the linked article, he admitted to the rape as part of the deferred prosecution agreement, the terms of which he then violated. That's why I'm guessing he can't now argue on appeal that he's innocent.)

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
13. Unless I'm mistaken
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 06:41 PM
Sep 2013

a guilty pleas precludes the right of appeal. My concern was that he copped a plea, which has now been rendered moot due to judicial error, or misconduct or both. That being the case, shouldn't his plea be rescinded also?

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
14. I'm guessing it's more complicated than that.
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 07:49 PM
Sep 2013

A guilty plea precludes the right of appeal from the determination of guilt. It should still be open to a defendant to appeal a sentence as being too harsh. For example, if Montana law is that rape carries a two-year minimum and a 30-year maximum, and a defendant who pleads guilty to rape were sentenced to life imprisonment, I think he'd have a very good basis for an appeal.

In this particular case, he didn't plead guilty in exchange for a 30-day sentence. According to the linked article, he admitted guilt as part of a deferred prosecution agreement. I infer from the context that the agreement came quite some time ago. The deal was presumably that his guilty plea would make him eligible for the deferred prosecution agreement. He entered into the agreement, under which he wouldn't be prosecuted if he complied with the terms of the agreement. (Incidentally, I note in passing that the 30-day sentence isn't necessarily the most troubling aspect of this case. If he had complied with the agreement, he would apparently have served zero jail time. I agree that the courts should be open to exploring alternatives to incarceration but this can obviously be carried too far.)

Having made that agreement, the defendant then failed to comply with its terms. Accordingly, he was no longer entitled to the guarantee of zero jail time. That's how he came before this judge for sentencing.

I don't think fairness requires that he be allowed to withdraw his guilty plea. He made the plea on the understanding that, in return, he would get a conditional deferral of prosecution. He has in fact received the benefit promised to him, in the form of what's presumably an enforceable agreement that he would do no prison time if he stayed away from children, etc. The state hasn't breached that agreement.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
10. I applaud all those who put pressure on this incompetent judge
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 10:53 AM
Sep 2013

Looks like he's running scared and backpedaling as quickly as possible. That is a major victory in and of itself. Please don't give up though, get this prick off the bench!

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
11. lmao... davids threads just is not going the direction he want. people should be outraged this
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 10:58 AM
Sep 2013

judging is willing to change the sentence from 30 days to two years, dontcha know. catch the little sarcasm at the end of his comment. even though the judge broke the law with 30 days, i am guessin david feels it should stand.

so, the only hope he has lost is the very light sentence of a rapist.

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