Worst VP also-ran since 2000?

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[BainsBane]

1. Come on. Not even a fair contest.

[JI7]

2. personally or politically ?

[BainsBane]

3. The one who would have sucked most as VP

Is how I voted.

[dkf]

4. Sorry, Lieberman scares me the most. Palin would have been a non-entity.

[LAGC]

5. Gore lost in 2000 because of Lieberman, I have no doubt about it.

That race should have never been close... at least not close enough to steal.

He is a total warmongering hawk, "insufferable centrist", and I wouldn't have trusted him any more than Bush in the driver's seat after a terrorist attack.

No wonder so many stayed home or voted for Nader.

[last1standing]

6. You're asking us to choose between one candidate solidly in the pocket of another country...

and another who couldn't find that country on a map of Israel.

Not a fair choice.

[Behind the Aegis]

8. Any proof of the first accusation?

[last1standing]

9. Only his voting record and statements.

I'm very fond of you, Aegis, but we're not going to agree on this subject.

n/t

[Behind the Aegis]

10. Much like many others, I bet I could match them vote for vote.

I am fond of you too, so I will say ponder this:

If someone implies that worm, Lindsey Graham, is a "nancy boy," is it suddenly not homophobia, and actually acceptable?

[last1standing]

11. Still homophobic but claiming that he's gay wouldn't be.

I'm not calling Lieberman anti-Semitic names, I'm saying that his record supports another countries interests more than ours. I think that accusation is firmly backed up by his record in support of conservative Israeli interests (note: conservative Israeli interests are not necessarily Jewish interests as you well know) and his hawkish desire to invade any other Middle-Eastern nation at the drop of a hat.

You see it differently and I respect that.

[Behind the Aegis]

12. You are implying something that is anti-Semitic, though.

And yes, it is homophobic to imply someone is gay when it is done to "shame" them. As I said, I can match his votes and speeches to a number of non-Jewish senators, the same is true for "his hawkish desire to invade any other Middle-Eastern nation at the drop of a hat." Interestingly enough, those senators are accused to being in the pocket of the MIC, unless, like Lieberman and they are Jewish, then suddenly, their loyalty is to Israel, not the US. It is still anti-Semitism.

[last1standing]

13. I absolutely agree that there are many non-Jewish senators and representatives just as bad.

However, they weren't in the poll so I didn't mention them. Lieberman certainly has not been acting on his own in this and I am happy to disparage their loyalties as well. Again, I do not conflate the nation of Israel or its policies with Jewish people. In fact, I don't think that I've ever known a Jewish person who conflated the two.

As for Graham, I support outing gay people who vote against equal rights for the LGBT community. I know many don't, but I believe that closet gays who exploit homophobic ignorance for personal power lose the right to have their decision whether to reveal their sexual orientation respected.

[Behind the Aegis]

15. That is the point!

"I absolutely agree that there are many non-Jewish senators and representatives just as bad."

Then why aren't they more loyal to Israel? This demonstrates that difference: Lieberman vs. McCain. The article about McCain actually mentions Israel, yet not one accusation he is "more loyal to Israel." Not a single accusation! Yet, in the Lieberman thread, we see plenty of accusations similar to yours, and some even worse. Both are touting similar positions, yet only one is the traitor to another country, the Jew!

"Again, I do not conflate the nation of Israel or its policies with Jewish people. In fact, I don't think that I've ever known a Jewish person who conflated the two."

I never said, nor do I assume you do; just so I am clear. I understand this about you and I am not claiming you are an anti-Semite, I am saying what you said is anti-Semitic.

"As for Graham, I support outing gay people who vote against equal rights for the LGBT community. I know many don't, but I believe that closet gays who exploit homophobic ignorance for personal power lose the right to have their decision whether to reveal their sexual orientation respected."

I think you misunderstood the example. I am fine with outing hypocritical homophobes. What I am saying is implying he is gay because he is single, somewhat effeminate, and not a "manly man," he therefore must be gay; that is homophobic. Try this: "Wow! He is really masculine for a gay man." "She's so feminine, it's hard to believe she's a lesbian." You do see why those are homophobic, right? Now, draw the line to anti-Semitism, "Hey, he has the same voting record and his hawking for another war, but what do you expect, he's more loyal to Israel (because he is a Jew)." The last part is almost always unsaid, but it is said!

Think about it.

(edit to make it easier to follow)

[last1standing]

16. You're right about McCain. His loyalty is never questioned, only his beliefs.

While Lieberman is often questioned, and that is anti-Semitic. McCain, Graham and many others should be called out for what they are, disloyal to the American people because they put the interests of Israel before ours.

I also agree about Graham. I did misunderstand your point.

[Behind the Aegis]

17. Thank you for this exchange.

So you can see how questioning Lieberman's loyalty for the exact same thing others are doing is anti-Semitic. Though, I disagree they (including Lieberman) are putting Israel's interests above the US (this 'conflict' has jack to do with Israel), they are putting their own desires for control (be it oil, power, or what have you) above what is just.

[last1standing]

18. I can see how singling out Lieberman when the other are the same is anti-Semitic, yes.

I'll even go so far as to state that it would be easy to see my comment as anti-Semitic placed in the context you provided. I can only assure you that it wasn't meant to be so and I will make sure the next time I suggest Lieberman is in the pocket of Israel that I include others who are absolutely just as bad or worse.

[Gravitycollapse]

7. I honestly can't think of another US politician who would have been worse than Palin.

She is probably the least credentialed, least prepared, least intelligent person to ever have the chance of becoming VP.

[Douglas Carpenter]

14. dangerous and smart versus dangerous and air headed - that's a tough one

[B Calm]

19. Boy it was a toss up between Palin and Lieberman, I had to go with

Palin.

[bemildred]

20. I vote Lieberman, Palin is entertaining. nt

[HappyMe]

21. Palin, without a doubt.

I can see her stupidity from here.

[NCTraveler]

23. I put Leiberman.

I consider Palin to be an agent sent from God to help the Democrats. Who am I to question a Godsend.