There is nothing more unifying for a nation of nationalists than the great prospect of war...

[Gravitycollapse]

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Feel it coursing through your veins? That flutter of adrenaline that disperses throughout your psyche when you consider the entrance into war. Not yourself personally, that would be foolish.

We are the great guiding light of the world. Let us rain this light down upon other nations and liberate them from their bondage. We are the Gods of thunder and great mercy. Bequeathing our essence upon the willing masses of sympathetic, tragic Syrians. They will fall to their knees and weep in joy and penance as the missiles scour the sky for targets of opportunity. As each blast rings, like a grand symphony, our liberation breaks the back of the enemy.

We are the universal libera---aaaaaayeah!!!

Man this new lotion really does the trick.

[David__77]

1. It's not nationalism, it's far worse.

Nationalists can be patriots that want sovereignty for their country and respect the sovereignty of other countries as well. This is much worse than that.

[tom_kelly]

2. Good piece.

This country has abused the "excuse" for war in such a blatant way in recent years that the "rush" is no longer there.

[darkangel218]

3. Disgusting

[hobbit709]

4. I suggest you read Mark Twain's The War Prayer.

Before you spout off with your puke unsmiley

[darkangel218]

5. We all know why it was posted on here.

And it is disgusting.

Not the words as much as equating anyone who supports an intervention in Siria with a warmonger.

[hobbit709]

7. You do know what Twain said about the only people who had the right to use the word "we"?

[darkangel218]

8. You know its hypocritical to broadbrush, and assume everyone who is pro an intervention

is automatically a warmonger?

I personally hate wars. I was against any intervention anywhere abroad , until I saw the videos.

And no, I am not " easily manipulated " like someone said the other day. I stand for what I believe is right.

And if there is even a remote chance that a military intervention could improve the situation there and stop the genocide, I'm all for it.

Again, that doesn't make me or others who think like me, wormongers.

[TM99]

9. Ok, I'll bite.

You were finally personally affected by what you saw in a video. Fine.

Now what are you personally going to do about? Will you join the military and go fight? Will you go to Syria as an aid worker?

Military intervention in another country's civil war can never and will never improve the situation. Any one with an ounce of experience or has studied military history even to a cursory degree understands this.

If a single missile is fired into Syria, we are, indeed, as a nation declaring war on Syria. They have every expectation and right to consider this an act of war. Therefore, all and sundry consequences are manifest and possible including violent acts against our allies and violent acts by their allies against us and our allies.

Are you and all of those clamoring for 'military intervention' prepared for the consequences?

[darkangel218]

11. The only consequence will be no more napalm bombs dropped on schools.

Even the countries who chose not to intervene understand why we are going to do it.

Those videos weren't some Hollywood script, they were real. Thousands of innocent children were massacred with no reason.

[hobbit709]

12. In at least as many instances we were the perpetrators of massacres.

we have no moral high ground. how many innocent children did we kill in Iraq, or Afghanistan, or Pakistan, or Yemen-just to name the last 10 years. I could go much further back.

[darkangel218]

13. This is not about moral ground.

This is about saving innocent lives who will be massacred without help from the exterior.

And Obama is not responsible for what Bush did.

[hobbit709]

14. As I told a baked goods commando yesterday, if you're so gung ho, then YOU sign up and go.

[darkangel218]

15. I am fighting death and pain here, in the NICU.

I believe I am doing my part as a member of the society.

Thanks for piling up to the rethoric though. Its as silly as it can possibly get.
Words don't bother me though. I know I stand for what is right.

[Bluenorthwest]

67. Those skills will be badly needed on the front. But you will provide them only in the US

A nurse who wants war should go be a war nurse.

[darkangel218]

69. How nasty and condescending.

Enjoy the ignore.

[TheKentuckian]

22. America and the American government is responsible and yes Obama is specifically

Looking forward means buying a share of what is behind. Continuing to hit folks with hellfires also buys shares.

There is also rank hypocrisy here, you are being pretty obvious that even greater devastation committed by the "right" people would be met not with righteous vengeance and wrath but excuses and distinctions without difference.
Nor would it be tolerable for our own war criminals to be protected and unaccountable if there was such a well of moral indignation to draw upon nor would humanitarian crisis around the world be ignored.

The innocent babies my ass.

[darkangel218]

31. The innocent babies my ass.

You know, I work 12 hour shifts , on my feet the whole time, to save "babies" lives!!

How dare you mock the fact that some of us trully care about loss of innocent life?? You think POTUS is doing thks for ulterior motives???


Holy shit...

[TheKentuckian]

61. You responded to what I think and failed to address it.

[TM99]

25. Wrong.

Do you honestly think that a one or several missile sorties alone will destroy all weapons, chemical or otherwise, that are being used by Assad in this civil war?

Even if our intelligences is 100%, and I know it is not, to secure all of these weapons in any sort of meaningful, i.e. not symbolic, way will require troops on the ground.

Sadly, yes, you are easily manipulated. Thousands of innocent children are 'massacred' in conflicts the world over. The US has massacred its fair share of innocent children in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.

Military action will not decrease this fact in Syria.

[darkangel218]

29. Missles can destroy military infrastructures

Airports, fighter jets, etc.

Military action is the only solution we have to try and stop the genocide.

Or do you sugest we turn a blind eye?

[TM99]

32. What you are describing then is war.

You can pick any euphemism you would like for it, however, destroying military infrastructures, airports, planes, etc. is war.

Why is military action, i.e. war, the only solution to the 'genocide' that now after many years and 100,000's dead in this Syrian civil war, do you suddenly now support?

Have we exhausted all diplomatic means? Have we exhausted all economic means? Have we even attempted sanctions? Have we attempted 'peace talks'?

No. No. No. And yet again, no!

Therefore, yes, you are a warmonger. You seek war first as a solution. You may rationalize that it is not about blood-lust or military superiority. You may even rationalize that it is for 'the right reasons' - to save innocents, humanitarian, to stop an evil, etc. But until all other options have been exhausted to support war as the only solution to 'genocide' (which has still not be proven!) is warmongering. This administration is doing it. And yes, you are doing it too. As are all other DU members who found it objectionable 10 years ago under Bush, but who now see it as the only possible solution to Syria's civil war.

[NuclearDem]

33. I know your heart's in the right place.

But military intervention isn't going to help.

I know it hurts to see this happening, and I completely understand wanting to do anything that might make it stop, but military intervention is at best not going to help, and at worst, exacerbate the situation.

What's happening in Syria is another chapter in the long sad history of geopolitical tensions in the Middle East; European decolonization ignorantly placing groups that hate each other together and hoping for the best, the legacy of the US and USSR inserting themselves in the region during the Cold War, and tensions between the Gulf Arab states and Iran coming to a head.

We wanted Egypt to remain stable temporarily and we ended up with Hosni Mubarak's 30 year state of emergency. We wanted to stabilize the global oil market, and we ended up with the Saudi monarchy. We wanted to keep Afghanistan out of the USSR's hands, and we ended up with al-Qaeda. When we decide to intervene in the Middle East through military support, someone ends up paying dearly for it 10, 20, 30 years down the line.

What we can do is push for the president and Congress to provide humanitarian aid for the refugees fleeing Syria. Do what we actually can to keep innocent people safe. Syria isn't our fight, and if we choose to make it so thousands more innocent people will die down the line from the blowback.

[Bluenorthwest]

16. A warmonger is any activist or leader who advocates war. The stated rationales are beside the point.

Words mean things.
war·mon·ger

/noun: war-monger
1. a sovereign or political leader or activist who encourages or advocates aggression or warfare toward other nations or groups.

Are you advocating warfare against another nation? It's a yes or no choice, not a 'but my reasons are the right reasons' thing.

[darkangel218]

17. Im advocating saving people from genocide.

Are you ok with thousands or tens of thousands being gassed and burnt alive there? Or we shouldn't care because its on the other end of the world.

[Bluenorthwest]

20. The stated rationales for the war are beside the point of the term in question.

In my opinion, this tactic you use 'are you ok with people being killed' is a rotten to the core piece of personal evasion. It is a disgusting exploitation of the events. It is reductive to the point that it spits on the democratic process, not to mention your fellow Democrats trying to make the right decision. When I hear war hype, that indicates to me that the case for war is in fact weak and in need bloody rhetoric.

You are advocating military action. Everyone who has ever done so lists their righteous reasons for their own barbaric acts of war. No one says 'we are going to war for fun and profit' they say 'for to protect that which is right and to save the children'. They all say that part.

[darkangel218]

23. So is calling other DUers warmongers.

Btw, I asked you a question, I didn't say you didn't care.

So, do you? And what is the alternative to the military intervention?

[treestar]

65. You're the one evading that question

That post admits that up front. You do not want to deal with that question, because you know it's wrong to gas people.

[mike_c]

51. with a war of aggression....

We signed the treaty that defines international aggression:

"Aggression is the use of force by a State or Government against another State or Government, in any manner, whatever the weapons used and whether openly or otherwise, for any reason or for any purpose other than individual or collective self-defence or in pursuance of a decision or recommendation by a competent organ of the United Nations".

[Scootaloo]

52. Do you think our buring people alive will help them out much?

Serious Darkangel, there is no way US intervention will make things better for Syria. We could knock over Assad, okay, then what? Have you looked at Libya? That place is on the constant verge of falling apart at the seams after dropping Gaddhafi... and Libya had the benefit of a super-strong national identity, a unified resistance, and a lack of a two-year civil war.

Knocking over Assad will simply take out the most stable of the factions in a six-way war, leaving five other much more fluid groups free to recruit the now-jobless Syrian army soldiers, co-opt the weapons, and proceed to keep going to town on each other.

It has nothing to do with where it is, it has to do with the fact that barring some radical new idea, no method of intervention will fix the problem.

[darkangel218]

63. the most stable of the factions

Yah, the one using WMD and mass killing its own people.

[geek tragedy]

18. Well, this is the person who said that US troops injured in combat deserve it and are criminals

It used to be that a punk ass like the OP would be shunned at DU.

Instead, he is well within community values, which means this community really has no standards of decency anymore.

So, yeah, this is what DU has become. I for one won't be a part of a troop-hating, anti-Democrat, frankly anti-American community.
Skinner can tombstone me if he wants. This place has been overrun by scum,

[darkangel218]

19. Whow... i had no idea the OP thought like that.

That is so wrong, on so many levels.

Holy shit...

[geek tragedy]

21. And DU juries found them perfectly acceptable

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3567627

I'm less worried about our troops, who willingly carry out acts of terror...

And more concerned with Syrian citizens.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3573934

If you are injured knowingly fighting an illegal war, that is your fault, not mine...

Just as I would not feel particularly bad for a burglar who injures himself when he falls through a skylight trying to break into a home.

Are there good soldiers out there? Of course. But they are vastly outpaced by the hundreds of thousands of others who knowingly carry out illegal wars.

DU's message to US troops: "fuck you, you deserve PTSD and crippling injuries, you terrorists. Ann Coulter was right about us."

It's caused me to see that this 'community' is pretty much beyond redemption.

[darkangel218]

26. O M G!!

Why hasn't the administration done anything about this??

[geek tragedy]

28. That's the jury system. Comparing troops at Walter Reed to burglars falling through skylight window

is within DU Community Values,.

Skinner decided to let the inmates decide the rules of the asylum.

There ya go.

[Summer Hathaway]

54. What's laughable about the jury system

is that it keeps being referred to as determining "community standards".

Standard: A level of quality or attainment.

A "standard" and a moving goalpost are two distinctly different things. How can there be a "standard" by which things are to be judged, when that "standard" changes from one jury to another?

It is, as you've said, more a matter of the inmates deciding the rules of the asylum - rules that are subject to change from one moment to the next, depending on which specific inmates comprise the "jury".

[treestar]

62. Exactly the jury system is really allowing

the board to turn into a mess.

There's no way to disqualify jurors - and you can see from some of their comments that they use their position to suppress or promote posts based on their agreement or disagreement. Nothing to do with rudeness, etc. Those people ought to be disqualified.

[darkangel218]

70. Yah, no kidding.

Well, the good part is, now you get to see the true colour of some of the posters.

[Bluenorthwest]

24. Where is your link? Characterizations when quotes are easily accesable strike me as a choice made

And choices like that always have reasons. Gossip is all you are doing when you could quote but instead you write up your own version and stick it out there. Crappy tactic that no one should accept on DU.

[geek tragedy]

27. Links:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3575256

I particularly like where he compared my cousin who was paralyzed in action to a house burglar falling through a skylight,

[arely staircase]

34. yeah he has also called for the killing of george w. bush

I hate Bush as much as anyone but, uh....well, what can I say?

[darkangel218]

35. Damn..

Do you have a link to that??

[arely staircase]

36. yep. this one got hidden by a jury but just one vote the other way and it would have remained

saying wounded vets got what was coming to them and advocating murder apparently won't get you banned these days.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3465138

[darkangel218]

37. Does the OP know that calling for a POTUS's death is a federal offense??

I would have reported him had I been here at the time.

I dislike(d) Bush as well, but Wtf!!!

[arely staircase]

39. I think making DU look bad is the mission of some people

I don't go in for the whole "paid shill" thing. But there are such things as trolls and trying to make DU look bad is certainly something a RW troll would do. And what better way than slamming wounded vets and calling for political assassination? This person should have been banned a long time ago.

[darkangel218]

40. I agree..

Holy crap

[Bobbie Jo]

46. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=302048&sub=trans

Indeed.

[zappaman]

56. +1000! n/t

[treestar]

64. Yes. When they seem like a freeper's parody of a left winger

I start to wonder if it's real.

[Gravitycollapse]

59. It is not illegal to say that a war criminal deserves to be executed.

There are at least two people in here knowingly spreading falsehoods about me. And I'm reaching the limit of accommodation.

[darkangel218]

42. Was this august 14 this year???

[arely staircase]

44. yes. it was in a thread about the rodeo clown/obama thing nt

[darkangel218]

45. Wow...

Ok.

...

[arely staircase]

38. oh it is true

he wants his politcal opponents hung too. some characters come pre-assasinated. the OP is a fucking troll.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3465138

[morningfog]

47. Feel free to take your sunny self elsewhere.

[redgreenandblue]

71. Yeah. I always wonder why people who profess to hate DU stick around.

[KG]

6. ya think millions of people go to stock car races to see them go around an oval for 3 hours?

[reformist2]

10. You would think, but it's not working this time....

... at least so far so good. The people still don't want this.

[arely staircase]

30. says the poster who thinks George W. Bush should be murdered. nt

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[another_liberal]

49. Really?

Surely you're exaggerating? At least I sincerely hope you are.

George W. Bush should spend the rest of his life in jail. That is what should happen to George W. Bush.

[another_liberal]

53. If what you say is true . . .

I think he may be worse than that even.

[Gravitycollapse]

57. No, I said GWB deserves to be executed for his war crimes...

And that I'm not concerned for the safety of soldiers who knowingly participate in illegal wars.

Please stop spreading disinformation about me or my positions.

[treestar]

66. Liberals are usually against the death penalty

And no one blames the troops directly for serving in time of war.

[Gravitycollapse]

58. I said he should executed for his crimes, not murdered.

Seriously, stop spreading disinformation.

[darkangel218]

41. Hey OP, do you feel the same today about W?

Just curious.

[sufrommich]

43. Where would DU be without simplistic hyperbole like this?

[another_liberal]

48. "What goes around, comes around."

The law of Karma will catch up with us. We will pay for our bloody wars of choice, if not in this generation then in the next.

[gopiscrap]

55. That's because nobody fucking thinks

they let the corporate whore media do their thinking.

[damnedifIknow]

60. Curious

as to why nobody is talking about this Syria strike leading to a much larger conflict? Okay I'll say it, world war three.

[redgreenandblue]

68. Wow. You really struck a nerve there.