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David__77

(23,402 posts)
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 05:13 AM Sep 2013

U.S. Bombing of Amiriyah Shelter Kills 408 Civilians (Retrospective)

Allied warplanes, in a pinpoint bombing that sent shock waves far beyond Iraq, destroyed an underground shelter in Baghdad yesterday, and officials said 500 civilians were killed. The United States called it a military command center, not a bomb shelter.

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"We don't know why civilians were at that location," said Marlin Fitzwater, President Bush's spokesperson.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=xQZKAAAAIBAJ&sjid=gB4NAAAAIBAJ&pg=1986,1529337



An Iraqi man holds a peace offering at the Al-Amiriya bomb shelter in Baghdad, where by Iraqi count 408 civilians died after a U.S. bomb and missile destroyed it in 1991. Photo: Paul Kitagaki Jr./Seattle Post-Intelligencer

THIS is what happens when the US launches "pinpoint bombings" abroad.

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U.S. Bombing of Amiriyah Shelter Kills 408 Civilians (Retrospective) (Original Post) David__77 Sep 2013 OP
Imagine the split second after the bunker buster smashes through the reinforced concrete... Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #1
Terrifying. David__77 Sep 2013 #2
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You think that the US was not responsible for this incident? David__77 Sep 2013 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Turbineguy Sep 2013 #5
Not disagreeing. But the whole freakin' "war" was wrong... n/t jtuck004 Sep 2013 #9
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If our fearless leaders hadn't wanted that war, truebluegreen Sep 2013 #13
"But the US is not entirely to blame"... ocpagu Sep 2013 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Turbineguy Sep 2013 #22
"Could have made better choices" -- the conservative platitude of the year. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #23
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I don't think the US would have bombed it if they knew what was in it. David__77 Sep 2013 #14
When 'sometimes they just get it wrong' means 'sometimes they kill hundreds of innocent people' Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Turbineguy Sep 2013 #21
Why do people keep posting old articles as though they were current events? nt kelliekat44 Sep 2013 #6
I said "retrospective" in the title. David__77 Sep 2013 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Turbineguy Sep 2013 #11
I too think it is good you posted it. truedelphi Sep 2013 #25
Well, thank heavens no chemical weapons were involved eridani Sep 2013 #8
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh malaise Sep 2013 #12
Thank you... dickensknitter Sep 2013 #16
Maybe we should Cryptoad Sep 2013 #17
So those are the choices you see 'free range enemies' or 'mass murder of civilians'? Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #19
When one bombs military command centers, some collateral damage sometimes sadly occurs. indepat Sep 2013 #20

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
1. Imagine the split second after the bunker buster smashes through the reinforced concrete...
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 05:26 AM
Sep 2013

Next to a gathering of innocent civilians, that little moment before the warhead explodes. In a blink of an eye, the warhead ignites, and the overpressure ruptures the internal organs of men, women and children. Shattering them to pieces. What isn't compressed into oblivion is charred into nothingness.

That warped rebar is a story of what happens when immense force meets an malleable object. But, like overstretched bubble gum, everything has a breaking point. That of the human body is much, much less than what has survived.

David__77

(23,402 posts)
2. Terrifying.
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 06:13 AM
Sep 2013

What is repulsive is that this incident didn't even dent the "rah rah rah" of the public in this country at that time. That's what's outrageous about the US pretending to be human rights cop. It's all power politics in reality.

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David__77

(23,402 posts)
4. You think that the US was not responsible for this incident?
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 06:38 AM
Sep 2013

It was clearly marked as a civilian shelter publicly. The US intelligence was just wrong.

I mean, if people are not safe in a civilian shelter, where should they go?

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truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
13. If our fearless leaders hadn't wanted that war,
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 07:31 AM
Sep 2013

there wouldn't have been one.

Who is to blame, if not the US?

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David__77

(23,402 posts)
14. I don't think the US would have bombed it if they knew what was in it.
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 07:37 AM
Sep 2013

I'd never mean to imply that.

But that's the problem with military action and trying to take out "command and control" infrastructure - even with excellent intelligence tools and methods, these sorts of things can happen, and should be accounted for in any cost/benefit analysis when making decisions about whether or not to initiate a military action.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
18. When 'sometimes they just get it wrong' means 'sometimes they kill hundreds of innocent people'
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 08:45 AM
Sep 2013

that gives a whole new meaning to glossing over the details. Why not just say 'whoopsi doodles! lots of corpses, my bad!' and post some of the 'rofl' emoticons.

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David__77

(23,402 posts)
7. I said "retrospective" in the title.
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 06:51 AM
Sep 2013

I did so precisely because I wanted the reader to realize this is not a current event... But I do think that it certainly is something to consider when looking at what lies before us.

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truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
25. I too think it is good you posted it.
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 07:46 PM
Sep 2013

And one more salient point: In this case, Russia is not for us going against Syria. Period. Their naval defenders are now in the region, armed with missiles to take out our ships.

Some mistake gets made, and we could be looking at WWIII.

dickensknitter

(24 posts)
16. Thank you...
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 07:44 AM
Sep 2013

I'm glad you posted this. I had forgotten this incident.

Like Gore Vidal said... "united states of amnesia". I'm a citizen I guess.
History is important; the present is surrounded by it and interwoven with it.
How can we not repeat 'mistakes' if we don't remember them, acknowledge them, and try to understand all that went into making them.
This was a horrific 'mistake', but only part of a much larger and more horrific 'mistake'. Some 'mistakes' are crimes.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
19. So those are the choices you see 'free range enemies' or 'mass murder of civilians'?
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 08:49 AM
Sep 2013

Limited thinking to be kind about it. Very, very limited.

indepat

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20. When one bombs military command centers, some collateral damage sometimes sadly occurs.
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 03:09 PM
Sep 2013

Everyone can plainly see this was a military command center, not a shelter.

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