Rumor has it that Kerry and Rice are the chicken hawks in this hole Syria mess

[bigdarryl]

Wanting to bomb now. That was on Mile Feder's show

[Crimson76]

1. I would throw Samantha Power in there as well.

[bigdarryl]

2. Your right

You must have listened to the same show I did with Mike's guess

[Crimson76]

11. I have always heard she was an interventionist, when it came to humanatarian crisises.

[fadedrose]

28. When she was on the Obama campaign

he had to let her go - because she said that Hillary was a monster. Heard it on the teevee; I think it was Rachel Maddow who said that. Of course, elections are highly-emotional, so she must have gotten over that.

[Bluenorthwest]

12. Both Power and Rice are uber hawks and act that way in life, Power was the one who called Hillary

Clinton a monster. When She and Rice walked in the door, anyone with a lick of sense knew war drums were coming, it is all they know, all they desire, it is why they were hired.
John Kerry might be a hawk, but he's a Veteran not a chicken hawk.

[HooptieWagon]

42. Agree with your Kerry comment.

He might be a hawk, but he served, so not a chicken-hawk.

[karynnj]

31. Key word - GUESS

On CNN, the leaks from insiders said that Hagel and Kerry - having both been in Congress, had no problem with going to Congress.

I think the reason he guessed Kerry is that OBAMA HAD Kerry give the case that chemical weapons were used and that that violated an international norm.

[leftstreet]

7. Indeed. Mrs. Cass Sunstein is a creepy hawk

I believe they're referred to as humanitarian hawks

[The Magistrate]

3. Secretary Kerry, Sir, By Definition, Cannot Be a Chicken-Hawk

He has served in combat, been wounded, and killed at close range.

[shenmue]

13. Amen

Some people have all the nerve lately, running off at the mouth with stupid shit. I respect Sec. Kerry and even if I disagreed with him about the Syria situation, I would never call him a chicken.

[fadedrose]

30. +++

[City Lights]

39. Thank you!

[elleng]

41. Thank you.

[HardTimes99]

46. +Infinity! Kerry won a Silver Star for valor too, unlike "Other Priorities" Cheney and

Draft-Dodger AWOL Bush. 3 Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star too.

I disagree with Kerry mightily on many issues (Syria among them), but no way is he a 'chickenhawk,' unless language has lost all meaning, in which case we might as well resort simply to gutteral grunts of approval and feline hisses of disapproval.

[Cooley Hurd]

4. Kerry is NOT a chickenhawk.

A "chickenhawk" is someone who advocates for war but never served in the military. Kerry served with distinction.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

8. Kerry is just a Hawk at this point - very disappointing

[Cooley Hurd]

15. That IS disappointing.

I hope he will not have to repeat his "last man" speech for this conflict.

[orpupilofnature57]

19. +1000 !!!!

[polichick]

20. Yes, he should know better.

[bigdarryl]

9. He's a hawk on this issue sorry pile

Just because I'm a progressive I'm not giving this Administration a pass on this Syria mess . We want to bomb a country that's in a civil war

[Cooley Hurd]

18. True, but he is not, by definition, a chickenhawk.

[backscatter712]

37. Very true - the "chicken" part of "chickenhawk" goes to those who refused to serve themselves...

but ask others to go to war for them.

Kerry served with honor in combat in Vietnam, so the "chicken" part does not apply here.

[Crimson76]

23. Jack Jacobs

Jack Jacobs on MSNBC felt like the President threw Kerry under the bus today. Does anyone feel the same way?

[Cooley Hurd]

25. I don't...

This is a very complex, evolving situation.

[Crimson76]

27. Cooley Hurd

I have lurked here for 8 years or so, I have never in my life needed to talk something out, this I need to talk out on a message board.

This is potentially a disaster, not for Democrats, not America but the world.

[Cooley Hurd]

32. That's very cool and I'm glad you're here to do so.

It's complex in the sense that a President WE (DUers, amongst others) elected to stop the Imperialistic horseshit the last President found as his signature issue. Until this afternoon, we felt duped.

[karynnj]

26. No - if that were the case why is Kerry being sent on all 5 talk shows

Jack Jacobs HATED Kerry in 2004.

Not to mention, Obama sent Kerry out both times to make the case that Chemicals were used. This was needed for Obama's statement today. It, in essence, is the lead statement in why we should do anything -- and Obama is on record saying he wants to act.

[Igel]

5. "R2P"

Responsibility to protect.

We are not the world's policeman. That presumes that we sit around waiting for people to break the law.

We are the world's "children's protective services", responsible for everything from protecting the weak and defenseless from bullying, to making sure they eat their peas and take their multivitamins, to ensuring that the environment is protected appropriately.

Somebody always needs us to be their savior. It's the ultimate ubermommy's fantasy.

[pnwmom]

6. How can a decorated combat soldier be referred to as a chicken hawk?

Do you understand that the term refers to a hawk who never served?

[Bluenorthwest]

17. Exactly, Kerry is just a regular hawk.

nt

[pnwmom]

21. If by hawk you mean someone who is not a pacifist, then he, like most Americans,

is a hawk.

[PoliticAverse]

10. You might want to review the definition of 'chicken hawk'...

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/chicken+hawk

2. often chick·en·hawk (chkn-hôk) Informal A person who favors military force or action to carry out a foreign policy but has never served in the military.

Kerry, of course, served in the military.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_career_of_John_Kerry

[quinnox]

14. Rice is definitely a chicken hawk, but while Kerry is being disappointingly hawkish, he is not

a chicken hawk by definition.

[orpupilofnature57]

16. Ted Nugent is a chicken hawk .

[Cooley Hurd]

22. His pic is in the dictionary definition as "Figure A"

Cheney is "Figure B".

Happy Labor Day Weekend, Man!!

[orpupilofnature57]

38. U2 my Brother.

[shenmue]

51. Yes

And I bet Sec. Kerry is a better singer.

[karynnj]

24. CNN said that Kerry was not against going to Congress

At this point, everything is a rumor. I do know on Libya, Kerry wanted a resolution and held hearings on it.

[Junkdrawer]

29. 20 June 2013: Top U.S. general (Dempsey), diplomat (Kerry) clash over Syria, report says

AFP, Washington
Top U.S. military officer General Martin Dempsey has clashed with Secretary of State John Kerry over the merits of bombing Syria’s regime at a White House meeting, media reported Wednesday.

Kerry reportedly argued for air strikes against regime air bases used to employ chemical weapons against Syrian rebels at a discussion last week in the White House Situation Room, wrote Bloomberg columnist Jeffrey Goldberg, citing unnamed sources.

But Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, issued stern warnings that air strikes carried grave risks and would require large-scale bombing raids to take out Syria’s air defense system, the report said.

“According to several sources, Dempsey threw a series of brushback pitches at Kerry, demanding to know just exactly what the post-strike plan would be and pointing out that the State Department didn't fully grasp the complexity of such an operation,” the report said.

.....

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2013/06/20/Top-us-general-diplomat-clash-over-Syria-.html

[ProSense]

33. Every dumb rumor in the world. Fact: New Diplomatic Push to End Civil War in Syria

New Diplomatic Push to End Civil War in Syria

By STEVEN LEE MYERS and RICK GLADSTONE

ROME — As new reports of violence flowed from Syria, Secretary of State John Kerry telephoned leaders in Europe and the Middle East on Wednesday to lay the groundwork for a conference between rebels and the Syrian government, sponsored by the United States and Russia, that he hoped would begin within a month.

Mr. Kerry and his Russian counterpart, Foreign Minister Sergey V. Lavrov, announced a new diplomatic effort to end the two-year-old Syrian conflict after intense discussions on Tuesday in Moscow. Mr. Kerry then flew to Rome, where aides said that on Thursday he would announce a 25 percent increase in American humanitarian aid to Syrian civilians whose lives have been upended by the crisis. The additional aid, according to a State Department statement, would bring the American total to about $510 million.

The American ambassador to Syria, Robert S. Ford, who accompanied Mr. Kerry during his talks in Moscow, flew to Istanbul to press representatives of the Syrian opposition to agree to talks with an envoy of the Syrian president, Bashar al-Assad. There were initial indications, at least, that both sides were not opposed to the idea.

Syria’s official news agency, SANA, reported it with the headline “Lavrov, Kerry: Negotiations Are Vital Tool to Reach Settlement.”

- more -

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/09/world/middleeast/syria-diplomacy-kerry-aid.html

[dsc]

34. you do realize that Kerry served in combat, got several medals, and that Rice as a woman

couldn't serve in combat until quite recently (as in well past the time she would have been draftable)

[Dawson Leery]

35. Do NOT call John Kerry a chicken hawk. That is highly offensive.

He volunteered to serve and was nearly killed in combat.

[quinnox]

36. +1. It is very offensive

To Kerry's military service. I don't think the OP meant it in that way, but it reminds me of the scumbag Swift Boat attacks that were full of shit.

[KittyWampus]

40. Mile Feder apparently is an uninformed asshole. Kerry has BEEN TRYING TO PREVENT THIS.

What part of reality don't some on the Left grasp?

[Andy823]

43. Ah, good old rumors

No facts just rumors. Without facts it's just plain BS! I don't really know about Rice, but I really don't see Kerry pushing this anymore than need be. As for being a "chicken hawk", well his tour in Vietnam pretty much proves that as being BS. Chicken hawks are those who never served a day in the military yet want to push wars where "others" get killed. Cheney, Limbaugh, Beck, etc., now those are "chicken hawks"!

[Gman]

44. Kerry is NOT a chicken hawk

A chicken hawk never served but us eager to go to war. They generally got out of serving in Vietnam.

[sabbat hunter]

45. John Kerry

proudly served his country in the armed forces. He is not a chicken hawk (unlike people like cheney who used multiple deferments to avoid the draft and then drummed up war)

[HardTimes99]

47. You should edit your OP title. Kerry is no "Chickenhawk". He actually saw

combat.

Better to say merely "hawk" (as opposed to 'dove').

[The Link]

48. Kerry is not a chicken hawk. He is a bonafide hawk.

[David__77]

49. Kerry served, so he's just a plain old hawk.

That is no better though.

[tabasco]

50. What the fuck are you babbling about?

Kerry has a Silver Star.

[winstars]

52. OP, EDIT YOUR TITLE, IT'S TOTALLY INCORRECT!!!

It doesn't matter who is on whatever side, your misuse of "chicken hawk" is mind-blowing. Please reserve this designation for:

1. Bush, Cheney and the rest of the complete scum warmongers who never went to Viet Nam. 99% Repugs, its amazing that people forget this. Air National Guard, either rich kids or a lot of sports guys, all very lucky men. Am I imagining as I remember this as it happened in the 1960's??? WTF!

See: http://www.everythingwefuckingallreadyknow.com


2. The NAMBLA "people" -----YIKES!!!

See: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109410/


3. That great book about Viet Nam and helicopters by Robert Mason

See: http://www.amazon.com/Chickenhawk-Robert-Mason/dp/0143035711


Whatever the view, we have to remain true to the facts here at DU, there is plenty we disagree about. But we must not forget who is who...

[stevil]

53. Rumors

Anything else?