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Obama, Biden, Kerry and Hagel - are sounding much like W. Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld
And John Boehner is writing a letter asking questions of Obama demanding a clear plan of action, strategy, the legal justification of such a response and that the White House consult Congress before taking any action against the Syrian government. Boehner wants clearly defined objectives and a broader strategy to achieve stability.
Did I wake up on the wrong side of the bed this a.m.?
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I am not surprised or shocked.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Though it is clear Chemical Weapons were used, this is an Imperial act that is about far more than just sending a warning message to the perpetrators of the crime. As I heard on an MSNBC interview while eating my salad, this is a message to Iran, and a message to the resurgent Russia who supports Syria and Iran.
It's like a slightly warmer cold war with slightly different players.
Amonester
(11,541 posts)Ten Years After their last Bagdhad's fireworks...
Not Sure
(735 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)no more war.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)In a convoluted way....
if we give aid to the "rebels", in whatever form,
and Al-Quada is now reported to be part of the rebels..
then does this meet the defintion of treason?
Celefin
(532 posts)Doesn't 'treason' in its legal sense require an offical state of war with a country towards which congress has issued a declaration of war?
What a tangled web.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)18 USC § 2381 - Treason
you can find it here, on Cornell Law website:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2381
Note: "levies war against them or adheres to their enemies,"
remember, this country has stated we are in a perpetual War on Terror, has defined what a terrorist is, esp. defined Al-Quada as terrorists.
Celefin
(532 posts)then the reason for leaving it out would probably be not having to discuss republican presidencies
obxhead
(8,434 posts)Then they bring out the treason charge after the crime has been committed.
Then we slide right into 2014 and 2016 elections.
Striking Syria will do nothing good for the country or the party.
Arcanetrance
(2,670 posts)If it was McCain or Romnet he'd be quiet
Autumn
(45,110 posts)But Obama has given those hypocritical assholes a club to beat him with.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)or at least grave concern.
Biden would still be Chair of the Foreign Affairs Committee. He might hold hearings. Maybe Noam Chomsky would be available to testify.
Faryn Balyncd
(5,125 posts)raccoon
(31,111 posts)Hydra
(14,459 posts)I always have to flinch when Pat Buchanan is right. Shows how far down the rabbit hole we've gone.
valerief
(53,235 posts)AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)The Twilight Zone..
Richard D
(8,755 posts)Is generally pushing anti war. Can someone please wake me up?
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)We have always been at war with Eastasia!
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)They are ALL on board for the PNAC plans to 'rearrange the ME' and install puppet governments who will be less independent.
IF we had begun to work on being less dependent on oil back when Carter was in the WH, we wouldn't need it so much and the Oil Cartels and their greedy supporters would not have the power they now have.
I'm glad we saw it all come full cycle. I used to be puzzled by the Dems who, in just enough numbers, would consistently SAY ONE THING, then go in and vote for ever Bush policy that came to the floor.
Then they would switch so we wouldn't remember their last vote, and next time, a few different Dems would make sure Bush got his funding and his policies passed.
It was frustrating as hell to watch. But not any more, I like to KNOW what is going on and now we do. Now we have to decide what can be done about it.
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)and in fact exporting more than we ever have. No shortage, just a lot of greed.
This is being driven by the MIC, who has this and other countries by the throat.
You're right about what to do about it, sadly most citizens really don't have a clue on what's going on right under their noses and seemingly don't care.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)get their news from the MSM, they get it from far more credible sources from all over the world.
The unpopularity of Congress, the dissatisfaction with the Government is at an all time high.
And look at the tiny fraction of the country that supports this latest war.
I think there is a shift now on all sides of the spectrum regarding these issues.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)One minute, its Jay Rockefeller as the Prime Villain leading the way in protecting Bush surveillance programs and demanding telecom immunity;
the next minute, its Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer joining hands and breaking with their party to ensure Michael Mukaseys confirmation as Attorney General;
then its Big Bad Joe Lieberman single-handedly blocking Medicare expansion;
then its Blanche Lincoln and Jim Webb joining with Lindsey Graham to support the de-funding of civilian trials for Terrorists....
http://www.salon.com/2010/02/23/democrats_34/
longship
(40,416 posts)obxhead
(8,434 posts)Putting where we are at ( on this issue) into blunt terms that are the simple truth.
I simply can not believe the situation being discussed right now. Insanity is too kind of a word for the world we live in today.
JVS
(61,935 posts)over Syria.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)I think I fell through the veil into the anti-matter universe.....
jsr
(7,712 posts)That's all.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)I think they've tried to avoid overt action in Syria as long as possible--and all I've heard them say was "we believe Assad did it, and we should respond because WMD's really suck". If any of them start talking about promoting freedumb-n-democracy and smoking-gun-mushroom-cloud and greeted-as-liberators, then come back and we'll talk.