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Harmony Blue

(3,978 posts)
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 09:01 AM Aug 2013

Why is the Obama administration considering another war?

but not a jobs program? Yes we know that the Republicans have been obstructing but the other side of that equation is that the Obama administration already had a military adventure with Libya that cost precious U.S. dollars. So, now even more money will be used for this other war...imagine such money and resources if it was thrown towards a jobs program? By circumventing apparent Republican obstructionism and showing you can still accomplish the formation of a jobs program it would win huge votes of confidence with the American public regardless of political affiliation. It would also undercut the strategy of the Republican party acting like an opposition party as they would be forced to make a choice. Either come up with an alternative jobs program, or oppose a very popular measure, and it would really sink the party before the mid term elections.

However, in the Obama administration's zeal to prove that they are just as tough on security and global defense as Republican predecessors, they are sacrificing what the Democratic party was known for in the past. Social programs have defined the party and what has led to great economic booms under Democratic presidencies. What confounds me is that the Obama administration has nothing left to prove when it comes to the war on terror as they have been ultra aggressive compared to the previous administration with their drone program. Is it because of the red line comment? Probably, and it was a mistake to let it reach that point because diplomacy and diplomatic channels go up in smoke once such ultimatums are made.

What even further perplexes me is the crown jewel of the administration, ACA, will become an afterthought if this war rages on. What needs to be happen is the Obama administration to change the messaging about the ACA and educate the public the next four months or so. If it comes down to the news channels covering a U.S. intervention in Syria and Summers as the new Federal Reserve Chairman this doesn't bode well for the administration.

Let me point out that this isn't about purity, or idealism as it is the hard cold, pragmatic truth. That is, there isn't much of a logical reason for something like this to be even entertained. The general public is pretty much against any intervention with Syria and even the most pragmatic of Democratic voters are bewildered with what is about to happen next.

Why?

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Why is the Obama administration considering another war? (Original Post) Harmony Blue Aug 2013 OP
Because they need unemployment higher to get recruits for their war? nt Mnemosyne Aug 2013 #1
Yes they certainly don't want a draft warrant46 Aug 2013 #29
they are not. spanone Aug 2013 #2
Oh, you're one of those "reality" people Orrex Aug 2013 #3
i'm in therapy spanone Aug 2013 #4
how are they not? MNBrewer Aug 2013 #9
Yesh SoS Kerry's remarks are not trivial Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #35
$$$ and distraction n/t n2doc Aug 2013 #5
We have a War Department. DURHAM D Aug 2013 #6
You assume that Obama actually... 99Forever Aug 2013 #7
Priority to his political donors highmindedhavi Aug 2013 #8
War is the jobs program. Scuba Aug 2013 #10
if they have their way..m awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #37
I think we may get involved in this one because the president has razorman Aug 2013 #11
Obama has a jobs program. lots of them. The GOP won't bring them up for a vote,but you knew that. nt dionysus Aug 2013 #12
A lot of ppl on this site might be asleep LukeFL Aug 2013 #16
Let me point out that "friends" like these LukeFL Aug 2013 #17
welcome to neo-DU. dionysus Aug 2013 #28
Then why did he campaign for a 2nd term? leftstreet Aug 2013 #22
This should be its own OP... BuelahWitch Aug 2013 #24
yes, it would highlight the ignorance of the statement. dionysus Aug 2013 #26
derp dionysus Aug 2013 #27
Because even Obama thought stupid LukeFL Aug 2013 #30
He has certainly given enough high-level jobs in his Administration to Republicans. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #31
Ya know, there was a time jeff47 Aug 2013 #13
listen, as a Wes Clark supporter I got to witness DU defending Milosevic. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #18
it is not our job to police the world bowens43 Aug 2013 #33
Yep, just what was said to excuse genocide in Africa. jeff47 Aug 2013 #34
Pushing a launch button is much easier than diplomacy. HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #14
Could it be because Syria is on the PNAC list of seven countries that were sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #15
what does PNAC have to do with the LIE that Obama doesn't have a job program? KittyWampus Aug 2013 #20
What does have to do with my comment? sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #21
what does your comment have to do with the OP? Did you read past the thread title? KittyWampus Aug 2013 #25
If you gave a crap about the truth:GOP senators block top Obama jobs initiative KittyWampus Aug 2013 #19
We've always been at war with Eastasia Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #23
Considering? He's drooling over the idea. It's pretty much a done deal. (hope I'm wrong) bowens43 Aug 2013 #32
A President looking for a "legacy" can be a very dangerous thing . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #38
For those with poor reading comprehension I already addressed Republican obstructionism Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #36

warrant46

(2,205 posts)
29. Yes they certainly don't want a draft
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 11:37 AM
Aug 2013




People would be "firing up" Draft Cards right and left !!

And what about making women eligible for the draft (For those "non combat jobs&quot ?

Orrex

(63,216 posts)
3. Oh, you're one of those "reality" people
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 09:09 AM
Aug 2013

How are you going to stoke the flames of rabid indignation with an attitude like that?

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
9. how are they not?
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 09:22 AM
Aug 2013

If you can so loosely define war as to exclude the military actions being contemplated, how do you define "peace"?

Harmony Blue

(3,978 posts)
35. Yesh SoS Kerry's remarks are not trivial
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 04:41 PM
Aug 2013

and points to the reality that they are moving towards that direction.

DURHAM D

(32,610 posts)
6. We have a War Department.
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 09:16 AM
Aug 2013

It is the only thing that is well funded and fully functional. Apparently it is time to take it out again and show it off.

Why can't we just have a parade like they do in China, N. Korea and Russia?



razorman

(1,644 posts)
11. I think we may get involved in this one because the president has
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 09:34 AM
Aug 2013

been stung by accusations that he is weak. He may be goaded into attacking Syria in an effort to prove something. For crying out loud, they are even using 'WMDs' as an excuse, without actually using the term. Iraq redux.

LukeFL

(594 posts)
16. A lot of ppl on this site might be asleep
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 11:11 AM
Aug 2013

It's just stupid for the op to even bring up the job bill and blame Obama for not "doing anything"

Really....

leftstreet

(36,109 posts)
22. Then why did he campaign for a 2nd term?
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 11:19 AM
Aug 2013

If he can't DO anything because the big bad GOP won't let him, why didn't he resign and give someone else an opportunity?

LukeFL

(594 posts)
30. Because even Obama thought stupid
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 11:54 AM
Aug 2013

People would go and vote for the right congress. You know there were other elections in 2012, not just the presidential one--Looks like you are one of those he was counting for

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
13. Ya know, there was a time
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 09:59 AM
Aug 2013

when we thought slaughtering thousands of civilians via chemical weapons was a bad thing. After all, there was a post just yesterday talking about how terrible it was for Reagan to support Saddam's gassing of Iran.

But apparently Syrians fall into the groups of people we do not give a damn about. They can take take a seat next to the Rwandans.

What should we do? Hell if I know. None of the rebel groups should take power, so we can't intervene to such an extent that one of them "wins". But that doesn't mean Assad should gas his people and only receive a sternly-worded letter.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
34. Yep, just what was said to excuse genocide in Africa.
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 04:03 PM
Aug 2013

Just flip the TV back to the Miley Cyrus controversy so we don't have those icky pictures of piles of dead babies.

Should we invade? Hell no. There is no rebel group that should "win". All of them are awful in their own way. But chemical weapons should not be used with impunity.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
14. Pushing a launch button is much easier than diplomacy.
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 11:04 AM
Aug 2013

Yes, many civilians will die, including children, but Obama drew a red line in the sand....MIC profits cannot be allowed to fall into the red. So what if Assad falls and AQ groups then gain control of chemical weapons stockpiles? That is just another golden opportunity for Obama to show he won't back down on war. And it pushes NSA spying off the front page...

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
25. what does your comment have to do with the OP? Did you read past the thread title?
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 11:27 AM
Aug 2013

here are the first few words in the first paragraph… a continuation of the thread title-

"but not a jobs program?"

Saying Obama does not have a job program is factually inaccurate. Heck, it's a flat out lie.

markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
38. A President looking for a "legacy" can be a very dangerous thing . . .
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 03:00 AM
Aug 2013

. . . Cf. Clinton, William Jefferson; NAFTA; Graham-Leach-Bliley

Harmony Blue

(3,978 posts)
36. For those with poor reading comprehension I already addressed Republican obstructionism
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 04:45 PM
Aug 2013

In the first sentence of my first paragraph. That is not a 100% excuse for why the Obama administration can not find a way to create a jobs program. That is the pragmatic truth that many refuse to embrace.

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