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RB TexLa

(17,003 posts)
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 02:41 PM Aug 2013

Syria, what point


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Now, we have a moral obligation
1 (33%)
There has to be more barbaric acts shown on the teevees
0 (0%)
Only if nuclear weapons are used
1 (33%)
Never. Foreigners are never worth even one drop of precious American blood
1 (33%)
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Syria, what point (Original Post) RB TexLa Aug 2013 OP
Sure you don't work for Gallup? leveymg Aug 2013 #1
Look, Iraqis are grateful to this day we stepped in.... Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #2
"Not until we get the flowers Iraq owes us" would have been a good choice on the poll JVS Aug 2013 #25
I'm going to be repeating that statement all day to the right wing peeps I work with Victor_c3 Aug 2013 #38
Glad to be of help. JVS Aug 2013 #39
Lol, good observation. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #7
I'd be curious... devils chaplain Aug 2013 #3
Probably the same thing. "We are precious Americans, they aren't worth it." RB TexLa Aug 2013 #4
At least they're consistent. I'm thinking there's not a 1 to 1 correlation, ceteris paribus.... devils chaplain Aug 2013 #6
Are they worth YOUR "precious American blood"? Union Scribe Aug 2013 #11
When we learn that killing with drones an cruise missiles is no more "moral" than killing with gas. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #5
Or that... devils chaplain Aug 2013 #8
+1 Go Vols Aug 2013 #29
Secretary Kerry thinks using Chemical Weapons is the worst of all... KoKo Aug 2013 #31
damn you're on fire tonight. Good point and good quote. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #36
Other: LWolf Aug 2013 #9
So what was the solution to Fascism and the holocaust? Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #15
That's a bit simplistic, to say the least. LWolf Aug 2013 #17
Now that's a bit simplistic... Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #23
Head to Syria then RobertEarl Aug 2013 #28
Who's heading to Syria? Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #35
It's not an acceptable solution. LWolf Aug 2013 #33
Sometimes it is the solution, tho... Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #34
No. Sometimes it is not the solution. LWolf Aug 2013 #37
I can't answer the question the way it's framed. 1awake Aug 2013 #10
Syria what war? WouldbeCentrist Aug 2013 #12
Push polls suck (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2013 #13
Lose lose no matter what we do. Mz Pip Aug 2013 #14
The poll is fatally flawed. The list of choices is incomplete and skewed, likely by design. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #16
absurd push poll. What would be the most predictable consequences of launching military strikes? Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #18
When military intervention advances US and regional security Recursion Aug 2013 #19
Winner! Most disgusting poll on DU ever! FSogol Aug 2013 #20
Great push poll Chisox08 Aug 2013 #21
I chose 5 - 'I choose to live as a vampire and feed on the necks of the innocent.' Dash87 Aug 2013 #22
I find the guilty have a better flavor, even if they're a bit tough. winter is coming Aug 2013 #26
Hey, quit shoving! (n/t) Iggo Aug 2013 #24
Is this typical of the way you guys frame polls around here?! n/t kiawah Aug 2013 #27
No, it isn't. RB TexLa is an atypical DUer, with a rep for posting nonsense like this, and worse. nt Electric Monk Aug 2013 #32
I don't poll with you Electric Monk Aug 2013 #30

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
2. Look, Iraqis are grateful to this day we stepped in....
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 02:48 PM
Aug 2013

Well, someday when the stench of death leaves....

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
38. I'm going to be repeating that statement all day to the right wing peeps I work with
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 09:28 AM
Aug 2013

thanks for coming up with that.

devils chaplain

(602 posts)
6. At least they're consistent. I'm thinking there's not a 1 to 1 correlation, ceteris paribus....
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 03:08 PM
Aug 2013

Petroleum counts for an awful lot. I think framing it solely in "protecting innocent human life" terms is pretty disingenuous.

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
11. Are they worth YOUR "precious American blood"?
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 03:20 PM
Aug 2013

If you aren't willing to risk your own ass for a cause, don't volunteer other people to do so. That's chickenhawkery.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
5. When we learn that killing with drones an cruise missiles is no more "moral" than killing with gas.
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 03:03 PM
Aug 2013
What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy? Gandhi

devils chaplain

(602 posts)
8. Or that...
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 03:11 PM
Aug 2013

Killing 30,000 Jews by gunshot at Babi Yar was somehow less objectionable than 30 with a Zyklon-B pellet.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
31. Secretary Kerry thinks using Chemical Weapons is the worst of all...
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 03:33 PM
Aug 2013

According to his speech today. His description of the innocents...made me wonder if he needs to see some videos of the "Innocents" killed by bombs, drones and and the aftermath. He said he viewed the "gassed" on Social Media and how outrageous it was.

Somebody send him some Drone, Bomb links quick... Also some video of how the Gitmo Prisoners are being forced fed with the tubes down their throats for 200 days now.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
17. That's a bit simplistic, to say the least.
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 08:52 AM
Aug 2013

The solution to all of the above is prevention. Like any movement spawned by propaganda, the solution to fascism is education that focuses on critical thinking.

As far as Hitler and the holocaust go, it was previous war that brought him to power.

That's the point. War doesn't solve things. It causes further atrocities.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
23. Now that's a bit simplistic...
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 01:32 PM
Aug 2013

Maybe not simplistic. Possibly naive, though. I don't say that to be mean, but just education or prevention means a lick in a world this large.

War IS the solution sometimes. It's a sad, terrible solution ... but it is a solution. We can debate the issues that led to World War II all we want - but it doesn't change the fact the solution when everything went to shit was to go to war. The U.S. could have sat out World War II, but they didn't because they saw only one solution.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
28. Head to Syria then
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 03:31 PM
Aug 2013

I'm sure either side will take you in, give you a rifle and put you on the front lines. Then you can post all you want about how you are finding a solution.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
35. Who's heading to Syria?
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 03:10 AM
Aug 2013

Chances are, any 'war' the U.S. involves itself in won't amount to more than missiles launched into the nation.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
33. It's not an acceptable solution.
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 09:22 PM
Aug 2013

It doesn't improve the human condition long-term. It perpetuates itself, and it perpetuates the causes of war.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
34. Sometimes it is the solution, tho...
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 03:08 AM
Aug 2013

Just letting Hitler fester wasn't the answer. Sure, you can debate until the cows come home what led to that point, but by the 1940s, it became clear there was only one solution and it was to go to war. Sometimes the right solution isn't the easiest.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
37. No. Sometimes it is not the solution.
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 08:40 AM
Aug 2013

It might be YOUR solution, but that doesn't make it okay.

Warmongers created the situation that allowed Hitler to come to power. Isolating him in history is about as logically and ethically corrupt as manipulating people using one verse out of the bible taken out of context.

1awake

(1,494 posts)
10. I can't answer the question the way it's framed.
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 03:20 PM
Aug 2013

Is there a point when I believe it to be worth American blood? Yes. But I also believe we as a country stick our nose in things ALL OVER the globe. I would be happy if a majority of the time we stopped bypassing the UN and let them take the lead. Why do we have to be either the world's police or involved in everyone else's affairs? Yes yes... there are circumstances when it is called for.

WouldbeCentrist

(35 posts)
12. Syria what war?
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 03:57 PM
Aug 2013

Not to sound relativistic, but what kind of war would be fought in Syria. I am assuming that it would be like Libya, wherein we launched some long range aerial attacks that cost a lot of money but not a lot of (American) lives.

I ask because if we do the American blood option above might be null in void so to speak.

Mz Pip

(27,447 posts)
14. Lose lose no matter what we do.
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 04:07 PM
Aug 2013

I don't see any good outcomes there in the foreseeable future. Assad is horrible but is the opposition going to be any better?

Iraq is still a mess, Afghanistan also. Egypt went from a dictator to a zealot to a military takeover. What works over there? Jordan, maybe?

So we watch in horror, pretty much helpless. It sucks, but what would our involvement look like?

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
18. absurd push poll. What would be the most predictable consequences of launching military strikes?
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 08:57 AM
Aug 2013

Will it increase or decrease the bloodletting? Either it would be insufficient to lead toward the toppling of the regime and would only encourage further bloodletting. The Assad regime is largely backed by a coalition of minorities; Christians, Shiites, Allawaites, Druze, and others who know that if Assad looses - so do they. They will fight to the end because they are fighting for their survival. Or we will have to see a massive military involvement that will cause a great deal of bloodletting in itself leading toward either a protracted civil war with even more bloodletting or a totalitarian regime equal or worse than Assad. Or we would be talking of a long term foreign imposed peace through military occupation. That, I can only imagine how well that would work.

There are situtions where military intervention may be the right thing to do.But I see no evidence that this is one of them. When I look at the history of U.S. military interventions - they were continually justified on moral grounds - only a few stood up to scrutiny . The vast majority were driven by deeply selfish motives.

Nothing good will come of a military attack - not in the long run - you will see

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
19. When military intervention advances US and regional security
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 08:59 AM
Aug 2013

The more we make it about anything else, the worse our decisions are.

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
20. Winner! Most disgusting poll on DU ever!
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 09:01 AM
Aug 2013

Everyone who picked "Never. Foreigners are never worth even one drop of precious American blood" should be ashamed.

Chisox08

(1,898 posts)
21. Great push poll
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 10:46 AM
Aug 2013

and No we shouldn't go into Syria. We will be opening up the gates of hell in another middle eastern country.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
26. I find the guilty have a better flavor, even if they're a bit tough.
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 03:19 PM
Aug 2013

Also, I'm sometimes drowsy afterwards if I take in too much ennui.

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
32. No, it isn't. RB TexLa is an atypical DUer, with a rep for posting nonsense like this, and worse. nt
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 03:34 PM
Aug 2013
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