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mahina

(17,686 posts)
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 05:18 PM Aug 2013

Any anthropologists here? How can we build community between two tribes (R,D) w separate realities?

With all of human history to look back on and learn from, how can the walls be brought down between us?

My good friend is just recovering now from her second round of life threatening and harrowing medical crises. She survived leukemia (over a million dollars in medical bills), e coli, TTP (look it up, horrible) and kidney disease, the last round of care of which was over half a million dollars. The paperwork is measured in linear feet.

Praise Akua, she had access to two family members who could commit to her full time care, without which the bone marrow operation would not have been approved by the insurance company, at which point she would have died. For lack of a caregiver that the insurance companies require, but will not pay for.

She is still not convinced that universal single payer would be good for Americans. Her husband is a winger, and as much as I care about her, I know we are from two different tribes.

More broadly, socially, how can we build understanding and connection in those communities and among those community members who see things so completely differently than we do? They have a separate reality, separate facts, whatever Winston Churchill may have said.

Community conversations on the topic of universal single payer, held in auditoriums or cafeterias? Intergenerational community conversations on women's health care rights and access to birth control?

There are still women among us who lived through the period when birth control was illegal. There are retired public health nurses who remember seeing women with 5,6,7 children come in after having attempted abortions, or illegal abortions. Imagine the power of young women today of all (and no) political leanings hearing first person those womens' stories?

I propose community conversations as one way to break down the walls. Hoping this seed might find fertile soil here, and looking forward to hearing your suggestions too.

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Any anthropologists here? How can we build community between two tribes (R,D) w separate realities? (Original Post) mahina Aug 2013 OP
Anthropologist here… my input is we need to appeal to Republicans' higher brain functions/self. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #1
Does that make Footloose a textbook video? nt Dreamer Tatum Aug 2013 #4
Interesting! mahina Aug 2013 #5
Film too! mahina Aug 2013 #14
I'm old and way more cynical than most people on here, Benton D Struckcheon Aug 2013 #2
k. nevermind. elehhhhna Aug 2013 #6
Perhaps find a way to encourage RWers to sample a variety of news sources. CJCRANE Aug 2013 #3
I Do Not Believe We Can Bridge Differences Any More. TheMastersNemesis Aug 2013 #7
Respectfully disagree. Some can, some can't; I accept your truth, but look at Bosnia. mahina Aug 2013 #9
In this particular case, it would make no difference leftstreet Aug 2013 #8
I am also an anthropologist and it is my experience that when someone asks Swamp Lover Aug 2013 #10
I know you're right. mahina Aug 2013 #16
Kill the males and take their women Coyotl Aug 2013 #11
Bring back the fairness doctrine n2doc Aug 2013 #12
Word! mahina Aug 2013 #15
Ho'oponopono? KamaAina Aug 2013 #13
 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
1. Anthropologist here… my input is we need to appeal to Republicans' higher brain functions/self.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 05:21 PM
Aug 2013

That is done indirectly through humor and art.

Sadly, funding of our arts is sorely lacking.

The art I'd probably advocate for change right now is DANCE.


mahina

(17,686 posts)
5. Interesting!
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 06:00 PM
Aug 2013

So, find and sponsor concerts? Dances?

If you feel like elaborating, I'm all ears. Thank you!

mahina

(17,686 posts)
14. Film too!
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 06:40 PM
Aug 2013

I watched "5 Broken Cameras" recently, a documentary of the Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands. Powerful and compelling on the topic of nonviolent resistance and justice.

"Sarajevo" was a great film that showed what life was like during the nightmare there.

"The Lives of Others" shows what life is like under surveillance. Hey, we could use that now.

I'd love to see film societies, dance concerts, all kinds of cultural community growth happening. What will I do? Good question!!

Benton D Struckcheon

(2,347 posts)
2. I'm old and way more cynical than most people on here,
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 05:52 PM
Aug 2013

which makes it hard to get along around these parts. Thing is, democracy is a peaceful substitute for civil war. It looks hard in this country, but consider that elsewhere it is not at all unheard of for actual physical altercations to ensue between opposing parties at parliamentary meetings. Also, as I recall, in this country's history, there was a Senator beaten with a cane for his antislavery stance.
So, like I said, I'm old and cynical. The best thing to do is forget it. We all have to live with each other. Better to do so peaceably, without trying to reconcile the irreconcilable. Except of course if it's absolutely necessary, and you'd have to decide whether it is or not.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
3. Perhaps find a way to encourage RWers to sample a variety of news sources.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 05:57 PM
Aug 2013

For example they could try a British conservative news source such as:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/

(IMO that's the main difference between left and right. RWers are usually content to let their opinions be spoonfed to them from a trusted conservative corporate news source whereas liberals are more likely to mix and match a number of different news sources and come up with their own ideas - as we see right here at DU).

 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
7. I Do Not Believe We Can Bridge Differences Any More.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 06:03 PM
Aug 2013

The differences have become a chasm we cannot bridge because the GOP will NOT acknowledge any facts. You cannot even talk to a GOPPER today without hysteria and paranoia setting in. And I know of several cases like the one you mentioned where a family member has had multiple thousands of dollars in care and the GOPPERS still are against socialism in medicine and still believe you must take care of yourself and people who make themselves sick should be denied care.

The mental dissonance is so profound I have found no way to breach it. Abbot and Costello's short called "Susquehanna Hat Company" on Youtube says it all. Just mention anything a GOPPER does not like and they go into a tantrum. Mention Obama is like mentioning Bleeker Street or Susquehanna Hat in that funny yet revealing comic routine. Say Obamacare to a GOPPER and smoke comes out of their ears.

I see the divide as really sectarian like it is in Northern Ireland. We are far behond partisanship and have slipped into a "political civil war" of sorts because the GOP wants to abolish and repeal just about everything.

mahina

(17,686 posts)
9. Respectfully disagree. Some can, some can't; I accept your truth, but look at Bosnia.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 06:12 PM
Aug 2013

A friend here during the war began a summer camp bringing kids of varying cultures in Bosnia together during the war, to give them a break from living with the horror, and to build peace. It was a bright spot in many lives and definitely helped, in some small way.

Look at peace-building around the world. There are ways to peace.

If our objective is to show they are wrong and we're right, then I take your point. As an opener, that's probably futile.

Having said that, I oscillate between hope and cynicism.

All wars eventually end. This is a propaganda war, in some respects, that the left has lost because we are more interested in being right, and content to dismiss the wingers as dummies. Smugness is not an advantage.

Not meaning you, personally, but us.

leftstreet

(36,110 posts)
8. In this particular case, it would make no difference
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 06:04 PM
Aug 2013

If your friend could be brought round to a passionate belief in single payer non-profit healthcare...

1) she'd be joining the majority of Americans
2) no political party or politician is offering her a chance to vote in favor of it

 

Swamp Lover

(431 posts)
10. I am also an anthropologist and it is my experience that when someone asks
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 06:16 PM
Aug 2013

how to bring two sides together, they are really interested in the other camp coming over to their point of view.

You might ask, "how can you better understand their beliefs", or at least acknowledge the legitimacy of their belief system, despite that it completely different than yours...."

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
12. Bring back the fairness doctrine
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 06:28 PM
Aug 2013

If you eliminated hate radio and Faux Newz, I think you would see people coming back to their senses. Don't give me the crap about "liberals being just as wacky", you don't see 50% of our party claiming something like the president was born in Kenya, for example. There are nuts, but the propaganda has made vast numbers of repubs into nuts.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
13. Ho'oponopono?
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 06:32 PM
Aug 2013

for you malihini (foreigners) out there, that's native Hawaiian conflict resolution, still in use today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ho%CA%BBoponopono#Modern_uses

Hoʻoponopono corrects, restores and maintains good relationships among family members and with their gods or God by getting to the causes and sources of trouble. Usually the most senior member of the family conducts it. He or she gathers the family together. If the family is unable to work through a problem, they turn to a respected outsider.

The process begins with prayer. A statement of the problem is made, and the transgression discussed. Family members are expected to work problems through and cooperate, not "hold fast to the fault". One or more periods of silence may be taken for reflection on the entanglement of emotions and injuries. Everyone's feelings are acknowledged. Then confession, repentance and forgiveness take place. Everyone releases (kala) each other, letting go. They cut off the past (ʻoki), and together they close the event with a ceremonial feast, called pani, which often included eating limu kala or kala seaweed, symbolic of the release....

In the late 20th century, courts in Hawaiʻi began to order juvenile and adult offenders to work with an elder who would conduct hoʻoponopono for their families, as a form of alternative dispute resolution. The hoʻoponopono is conducted in the traditional way, without court interference, with a practitioner picked by the family from a list of court-approved providers.

Some native practitioners provide hoʻoponopono to clients who otherwise might seek family counseling.


The only problem would be finding enough repukes in Hawai'i to make it work.
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