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Eugene

(61,937 posts)
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 01:43 PM Aug 2013

U.S. Army says does not provide sex-reassignment surgery

Source: Reuters

U.S. Army says does not provide sex-reassignment surgery

Thu Aug 22, 2013 10:05am EDT

(Reuters) - The U.S. Army does not provide hormone therapy or sex-reassignment surgery, a spokeswoman said on Thursday after U.S. soldier Bradley Manning, convicted of handing over secrets to WikiLeaks, said he was female and wanted to live as a woman named Chelsea.

A court-martial sentenced Manning to 35 years in prison on Wednesday.

"The Army does not provide hormone therapy or sex-reassignment surgery," an Army spokeswoman said in an emailed statement.

Military inmates have access to mental health professionals, including a psychiatrist, psychologist, social workers and behavioral science specialists, she said.

(Reporting by Daniel Trotta; Editing by Scott Malone)


http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/22/us-usa-wikileaks-manning-army-idUSBRE97L0NV20130822
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U.S. Army says does not provide sex-reassignment surgery (Original Post) Eugene Aug 2013 OP
We need to start a fund to help her get the proper treatment. bravenak Aug 2013 #1
That's not a bad idea. However, as long as she is MineralMan Aug 2013 #2
That's sad. bravenak Aug 2013 #11
I assume they will, and helping to fund that suit is important. MineralMan Aug 2013 #12
I'll just hope for Scalia or Thomas to retire. bravenak Aug 2013 #14
That seems unlikely in the near term. MineralMan Aug 2013 #15
Also not fair. bravenak Aug 2013 #16
Would the Army even allow someone in custody to accept private funds wild bird Aug 2013 #3
No fund required, actually Spider Jerusalem Aug 2013 #4
He is not a UK citizen, per his attorney. msanthrope Aug 2013 #6
His attorney is probably mistaken Spider Jerusalem Aug 2013 #7
You should let his attorney know that. nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #8
His attorney is apparently incompetent if he can't figure it out himself. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2013 #9
Again, I think you should contact his attorney with your brilliant plan for Manning msanthrope Aug 2013 #13
Sorry... Spider Jerusalem Aug 2013 #17
'their body was like a prison to them' markiv Aug 2013 #5
Do you have a good point? bravenak Aug 2013 #10
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
1. We need to start a fund to help her get the proper treatment.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 02:12 PM
Aug 2013

I have heard transgender people say their body was like a prison to them. That has to cause severe psychological problems.
There should be a way for her supporters to assist her in her transition.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
2. That's not a bad idea. However, as long as she is
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 02:15 PM
Aug 2013

incarcerated, medical decisions about such treatment will be made by the team where she is incarcerated. A lawsuit could be filed, though, if they deny her the hormone treatments for the transition. That's the reality of it.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
12. I assume they will, and helping to fund that suit is important.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 02:51 PM
Aug 2013

It's not going to be an easy one to win, though. The military is given broad leeway on such issues, traditionally. The UCMJ is a separate system from the civilian system, and only after the appeals process is complete within the military justice system can cases be taken outside of that system. It can be a very, very difficult process, and may take longer than the time Pvt. Manning will end up serving.

To start with, there won't be any medications like hormones from outside the system allowed to Manning. If it is not prescribed within the system, it won't happen. That's a certainty.

 

wild bird

(421 posts)
3. Would the Army even allow someone in custody to accept private funds
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 02:17 PM
Aug 2013

for a sex change operation?
I don't even know if the Army would allow the operation at all as long as one is a prisoner.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
4. No fund required, actually
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 02:18 PM
Aug 2013

Manning is a dual US/UK citizen. Gender reassignment surgery is available on the NHS provided that the candidate for reassignment passes the psychological screening.

But a broader problem here is why one would expect the military authorities to allow a prisoner to undergo what they would see as an elective surgical procedure (they probably won't).

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
7. His attorney is probably mistaken
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 02:28 PM
Aug 2013

his mother was a UK citizen, therefore he acquired UK citizenship by birth. Whether he has a UK passport or considers himself a UK citizen is something else again; unless he's specifically disclaimed and renounced his British citizenship, that is.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
9. His attorney is apparently incompetent if he can't figure it out himself.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 02:33 PM
Aug 2013

British Nationality Act, 1981. Note that "British citizen otherwise than descent" applies to Manning's mother who is a British citizen by birth.

(1)A person born outside the United Kingdom [and the qualifying territories] after commencement shall be a British citizen if at the time of the birth his father or mother—
(a)is a British citizen otherwise than by descent

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1981/61/section/2


 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
13. Again, I think you should contact his attorney with your brilliant plan for Manning
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 03:15 PM
Aug 2013

to get sex-reassignment surgery. Truly. I can only hope you post the letter, here....

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
17. Sorry...
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 03:27 PM
Aug 2013

but his attorney is clearly either incompetent or stupid. (And Manning isn't going to get gender-reassignment surgery or hormone therapy, probably, so long as he remains a prisoner.)

 

markiv

(1,489 posts)
5. 'their body was like a prison to them'
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 02:23 PM
Aug 2013

you know what will be even more like a prison to Pvt Manning?

The United States Disciplinary Barracks, at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas

I've heard that most who go there, say 'it's like a prison'

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
10. Do you have a good point?
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 02:42 PM
Aug 2013

I'd like for him to get a pardon. All prisons are like prisons. Military prison is not as bad as our state prisons where upon entering you may be considered a validated gang member because of some old tattoos you got when you were fifteen. As a validated gang member you will be put in solitary for the duration of your stay. No time limit. Forever. And nobody on the Internet will give a crap about your cruel and unusual punishment. It happened to my cousin. 2 years in solitary because as a teen he was an idiot and got tattoos.
Okay snarkface?

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