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He is totally full of shit, but he works a crowd pretty well.
I just spent an hour listening to him speak. All the same old lies, nothing really new. The only real revelation is that he seems moderate when you are in a crowd of Tea Party folk.
I would say roughly 200 people in the room. Maybe half to 3/4 of the way full. He took some questions at the end but I chickened out and didn't even try. There were lots of people all trying to get him to pay attention to them so I just let it go. The first question was an obvious plant. "What can we do to help you?". Oh sure, that was a real question. Then a few questions later some nut started with the whole end times biblical crap. He avoided it pretty well by just saying that he wasn't a prophet and he just focused on what was best for this nation ... yadda yadda yadda.
I'm glad I went. I thought it would be worse but once I tuned out everything he was saying and just payed attention to his style it was very educational.
If you get a chance to go to one you should consider it.
Edit to add: MHP just showed a short clip of the rally I was at where he tries to link Rmoney to OWS.
Earth_First
(14,910 posts)xchrom
(108,903 posts)dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Island Blue
(5,819 posts)is that he really, really, really believes what he says he believes. That makes him scary IMO.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)when he talks about sanctions against Iran he must know that what he is saying is wrong. He can't be that uninformed. I will agree that he is a true believer when it comes to the policies he supports but he can't believe all the stuff he gets wrong. There is just to much of it for that to be the case.
BumRushDaShow
(129,543 posts)in 2006. He is obsessed and possessed and there is no cure for his affliction.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)What was the overall mood of the audience? What were more of the questions like? How does he 'work the crowd'? What comments did people make while shaking his hand? Did they clap when he said crap? Did they boo in all the wrong places? Were there any real questions regarding his so-called solutions?
You only scratched the surface.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)The questions were mostly ass kissing echo chamber shit. Only one about what he thought about Iran had any real substance and he pivoted into attacking Pres. Obama and never really answered anything.
He works the crowd by working in little jokes as he goes along. He gets a chuckle out of the crowd every 3 to 5 minutes so that it softens all his "be afraid we are under attack" talk". It keeps the crowd off balance.
I got out of there once the hand shaking started so I can't answer that. Yes they clapped a lot. Even when it was pure bull shit like "I will repeal every regulation Obama put in place on my very first day in office" (paraphrased). There were no boos at all.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)That was a brave thing to do.
Did you feel you needed a shower afterwards?
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)in that he talks about some of HIS "fears" in a conspiratorial tone, which makes the people believe he is telling them a secret. This makes them believe everything he says because he is being honest with them; although he is making all this crap up. Newt does the same thing.
He appears to me to be more of a wannabe evangelist than a presidential candidate.
Pass the plate!
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)human beings have been extraordinarily good at "working a crowd" and having people believe their bullshit.
I don't trust anybody who can basically brainwash a bunch of gullible people.
Scary.
PS...although I can see your point...I guess it's always good to see what one is up against.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Some of them seemed even further out than he is. Compared to some of these TPers he looks like a moderate.
GoneOffShore
(17,341 posts)Totally frightening and creepy in person.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)I was within 4 or 5 feet of him when he came down off the stage into the crowd and I didn't find him intimidating in the least. I bet he lost a lot of lunch money as a kid.
TlalocW
(15,392 posts)Hell, if I ever get a chance, my question is going to be, "Since you're so interested in the sex lives of others, tell us when was the last time you had non-procreative sex?"
TlalocW
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)and my question was going to be:
Are you aware of The Vatican's official stance on climate change and do you consider that a false theology? (he did the whole "climate change is fake" thing for about 5 minutes while the audience clapped and agreed with everything he said)
Reference:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/10/vaticanappointed-panel-wa_n_860072.html
^snip^
VATICAN CITY -- A Vatican-appointed panel of scientists has reported what climate change experts have been warning for years: the Earth is getting warmer, glaciers are melting, and urgent measures are necessary to stem the damage.
The scientists called for urgent reduction of carbon dioxide emissions and reductions in methane and other pollutants that warm the air, and for improved observation of mountain glaciers to better track their changes.
The Pontifical Academy of Sciences, a Vatican advisory panel, hosted a conference last month on the causes and consequences of retreating mountain glaciers. Its final report, dated May 5 and signed by independent glaciologists, climate scientists, meteorologists and chemists, was posted on the Vatican website Tuesday.
"We appeal to all nations to develop and implement, without delay, effective and fair policies to reduce the causes and impacts of climate change on communities and ecosystems, including mountain glaciers and their watersheds, aware that we all live in the same home," the report said.
Also:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/03/business/worldbusiness/03iht-carbon.4.7366547.html?pagewanted=all
^snip^
TISZAKESZI, Hungary This summer the cardinals at the Vatican accepted an unusual donation from a Hungarian start-up called Klimafa: The company said it would plant trees to restore an ancient forest on a denuded island by the Tisza River to offset the Vatican's carbon emissions.
The young trees, on a 15-hectare, or 37-acre, tract of land that will be renamed the Vatican Climate Forest, will in theory absorb as much carbon dioxide as the Vatican makes through its various activities in 2007: driving cars, heating offices, lighting St. Peter's Basilica at night.
In so doing, the Vatican announced, it would become the world's first carbon-neutral state.
"As the Holy Father, Pope Benedict XVI, recently stated, the international community needs to respect and encourage a 'green culture,' " said Cardinal Paul Poupard, head of the Pontifical Council for Culture, who took part in a ceremony marking the event at the Vatican. "The Book of Genesis tells us of a beginning in which God placed man as guardian over the earth to make it fruitful."