and now i need a response to an evangilcal Christian

[tiredtoo]

she said "The beauty of math implies design. Evolution is chance. The universe is all related."

[Motown_Johnny]

1. You can't argue with blind faith.

If someone can't grasp Evolution then they can't have a reasonable conversation.


You could try to ask about all the extinct species and why did God create those only to destroy them... but the "God works in mysterious ways" answer works for them. Evolution can explain extinctions and creationism can't, other than the God's Will thing.

[elleng]

2. True, somewhat True, and True, imo,

but does not suggest 'designed' by a 'Higher Being,' rather, for me, designed by Nature. May not satisfy many.

[MineralMan]

3. Math is God.

Everything is math.

[bravenak]

4. Math is a science.

And science does not agree with the bible.
Try this nice article on why evolution is not chance.http://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/essays/why-evolution-isnt-chance/

[rurallib]

5. Nice statement, but surely doesn't go far enough

for me.
And my understanding of evolution is not that it is chance, but that the best adaptation survives. Doesn't sound like chance.

Looks like she is looking for a single answer to everything. The problem is that this takes away the thrill of searching for the truth.

The beauty of math is that man has studied and stuck with it over eons of trial and error. I daresay math is probably far from being fully discovered yet. Why didn't the god give it to us whole?

[jberryhill]

6. Can God make 1+1=3?

[liberal_at_heart]

7. my husband once told my evangelical father that if God would regrow his non existent eye ball, he

would convert.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

8. The beauty of math suggests that physics is a real science and that the universe follows some laws

But you're not likely to have much luck with your friend. People are going to believe what they need to believe, and it's not usually external stimuli that changes their minds.

[Bunnahabhain]

9. Simply tell her math is a priori knowledge

and she is attempting some sort of post hoc fallacy then walk away.

[dawg]

10. If her faith makes her happy, and she sees God in the numbers ...

why do you feel the need to try and convince her otherwise?

[tiredtoo]

14. do not think i feel the need to try and convince her otherwise

just wanted to show the other side of the coin to our joint friends. She will never change and I do not expect her to.
Recently a young man I know was assaulted by a lady trying to get him to take a spiritual turn to alleviate the suffering in his life. He replied to her "Well i could do that or just read a good book.

[dawg]

16. Well, the other side of the argument revolves around the vast amount of time and endless ...

numbers of combinations and dead-ends that took place over billions of years in order to get us to where we are today. But the human mind is not evolved in such a way as to truly comprehend such a large amount of time in anything other than a vaguely conceptual way. So it is only natural that some people will turn to faith in order to explain patterns that seem impossible, to our limited minds, to have occurred naturally. (At least in any sort of time frame that our minds are fully able to grasp.)

[DavidDvorkin]

11. No response is required to such a vague and fuzzy statement.

[SwissTony]

12. Can anyone say "Word salad"? n/t

[Scuba]

13. Ask her how all that praying for peace is working.

[RadiationTherapy]

15. Evolution is selection; the opposite of chance.

[dawg]

17. Actually, it's some of both.

There is selection for fitness, as well as sexual selection. But there are also random mutations and genetic drift. There's lots of stuff that makes no sense at all, but we are stuck with it nonetheless.

[RadiationTherapy]

21. Yes.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

18. honestly, why bother? you are not going to convince her and she is not being hateful.

leave it be

[Lee-Lee]

19. You will never argue blind faith away

It takes real life events to change a persons mindset in that way.

[tiredtoo]

20. Right you are

and i will cease and desist from any further debate with this lady on this.