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Enrique

(27,461 posts)
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 01:30 PM Feb 2012

The moral wisdom of Michael Moore

Whatever his flaws, I've always seen Moore as morally righteous. Does everyone know that Mike is a serious Catholic and even came close to becoming a priest? I don't think religiosity equals morality but I do think that religion in many cases does lead to more moral thinking and I see it in Mike's work.

In particular, this scene in F-911 where he shows footage of normal residents of Baghdad before our war started. Omg the outrage this scene created from the pro-war side! They either deliberately misinterpreted it as portraying Saddam's Iraq as a paradise or they truly did not understand Mike's point.

The point is very simple and yet very profound and as far as I know only Mike made it: that our war will have consequences for real live human beings. What is more "moral" than that?

Contrast this with Tucker Carlson's offhand declaring Iran to be "evil" on a Fox News "comedy" show, and thus deserving of annihilation. Oh Tucker is so morally brave, as he points out, so ready to call evil where he sees it. But how moral is it to so lightly declare your support for however many innocent Iranians dying in a war, and to do it in such a stupid way? And on a comedy show? Maybe it's ok because "Red Eye" is never funny?

Also contrast with Michael Ledeen's not-famous-enough quote:


http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/205187/baghdad-delenda-est-part-two/jonah-goldberg

WHY IRAQ?
So how does all this, or the humble attempt at a history lesson of my last column, justify tearing down the Baghdad regime? Well, I’ve long been an admirer of, if not a full-fledged subscriber to, what I call the “Ledeen Doctrine.” I’m not sure my friend Michael Ledeen will thank me for ascribing authorship to him and he may have only been semi-serious when he crafted it, but here is the bedrock tenet of the Ledeen Doctrine in more or less his own words: “Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business.” That’s at least how I remember Michael phrasing it at a speech at the American Enterprise Institute about a decade ago (Ledeen is one of the most entertaining public speakers I’ve ever heard, by the way).


We hear a lot about "evil". If there is such a thing, Ledeen's quote is an example of a very common form of evil. Zero regard for the real live human beings in those "crappy little countries". And Goldberg calls it "entertaining".


Here's the Moore video and the Tucker Carlson video:





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The moral wisdom of Michael Moore (Original Post) Enrique Feb 2012 OP
du rec. nt xchrom Feb 2012 #1
tucker carlson is always ready for some other poor son-of-a-bitch to die for this country KG Feb 2012 #2
"Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it." Kurmudgeon Feb 2012 #3
I can never thank Michael Moore enough abolugi Feb 2012 #4
I remember that episode of The Awful Truth. One of my favorites. Downtown Hound Feb 2012 #5
Wingnut Welfare bongbong Feb 2012 #6
MM is villified by those that don't want the truth to be known.... Yooperman Feb 2012 #7
Even though Michael Moore cbrer Feb 2012 #8

abolugi

(417 posts)
4. I can never thank Michael Moore enough
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 05:45 PM
Feb 2012

for how he’s helped us in our town. I live in a small town in CA where Mr.Moore’s sister Anne worked in the Public Defenders office. She saw poor people being railroaded into taking guilty pleas. The judges and prosecutors would go to lunch and come back with an agreement.

They got away with it for YEARS!( I, myself got caught up in it where the judge turned my $100.00 fine into 1200 hrs. of community service!) She was ignored when she tried to talk to co-workers(duh, they were knee deep in it them selves!) So Mr.Moore did an expose on the Awful Truth..



http://www.theawfultruth.com/gotojail/


It was AWESOME and judges and prosecutors got fired or were replaced.. It literally changed 30 years of corruption. All the old cases got thrown out and they were retried.
I know he doesn't get a lot of publicity when he does things like this but he honestly puts his money where his mouth is and actually helps the little guy!

He still remembers us and even stood with us with our Occupy here in town.
http://www.theunion.com/article/20111030/BREAKINGNEWS/111039995

We REALLY love him here!

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
5. I remember that episode of The Awful Truth. One of my favorites.
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 06:08 PM
Feb 2012

I love it when one of the judges or prosecutors (can't remeber which) offers to take Moore fishing in the middle of the day (no work to be done apparently). And Moore's like, "Yeah! We can go fishing!"

Moore just has a way of nailing people with their own absurdity.

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
6. Wingnut Welfare
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 06:30 PM
Feb 2012

Tucker Carlson is the ne-plus ultra example of Wingnut Welfare (challenged only in that position by Pantload Goldberg, BTW). A brainless "thinker" who would be lucky - and I'm not exaggerating - to be an assistant manager at Burger King by the age of 40 if he had had to compete on his own intellectual merits.

Yooperman

(592 posts)
7. MM is villified by those that don't want the truth to be known....
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 07:18 PM
Feb 2012

I have always respected MM and once drove to a distant city just to have him sign the book "Stupid White Men" ...

For me .. Micheal Moore is an American Hero.



YM

 

cbrer

(1,831 posts)
8. Even though Michael Moore
Sat Feb 25, 2012, 04:22 AM
Feb 2012

Expounds our political philosophy, he lives a wealthy lifestyle. Not necessarily the socially responsible, low environmental impact lifestyle that you might think during or after his productions. Not criticizing, I just believe in truth in advertising. His "SickO" was enlightening too.

And his Iraqi video left out the happy Iraqis who were enriched by our invasion. As well as the citizens, primarily in the north, who were liberated...sorta'. The net effect was more freedom, but the long term effect is unknow. And I don't hear about any follow up films coming out.

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