After more than a year of domestic terrorism against Occupy, Obama continues to acidically mock us

[Fire Walk With Me]

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/15/us-egypt-obama-statement-idUSBRE97E0QP20130815

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/transcript-president-obamas-remarks-on-egypt/2013/08/15/5f69252a-05b7-11e3-a07f-49ddc7417125_story.html


"We deplore violence against civilians. We support universal rights essential to human dignity, including the right to peaceful protest."

"Just over two years ago America was inspired by Egyptians'... desire for change," Obama continued. "We said at the time the change would not come quickly or easily, but we did align ourselves with a set of principles. Non-violence, a respect for universal rights, and a process for political and economic reform."


ORLY?

Images and video of police brutality against peaceful protesters at the DEMOCRATIC National Convention (dial-up warning, graphic image warning) :

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002710303

And that's just the one event over a period of a week or so? Much less the year+ with 7700 Occupiers arrested and two peaceful Veterans very nearly killed in Oakland by a DEMOCRATIC mayor?


Domestic terrorism: The use and threat of force (which includes arrests into the prison-industrial complex and courts system) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population for political or social purposes.

Domestic terrorism is the unlawful use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual based and operating entirely within the United States or Puerto Rico without foreign direction committed against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005

Section 802 of the USA PATRIOT Act (Pub. L. No. 107-52) expanded the definition of terrorism to cover ""domestic,"" as opposed to international, terrorism. A person engages in domestic terrorism if they do an act ""dangerous to human life"" that is a violation of the criminal laws of a state or the United States, if the act appears to be intended to: (i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping. Additionally, the acts have to occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States and if they do not, may be regarded as international terrorism.

http://www.aclu.org/national-security/how-usa-patriot-act-redefines-domestic-terrorism

We revealed the true power in the country which is the Plutonomy/Plutocracy/Corporatocracy. And that the government is devoted to protecting it at the expense of US citizens. That the US government does not represent the citizens of this country.

Some 7700 of us were arrested. The DHS and FBI spied upon us from day one and shared the information across agencies (such sharing is specifically redacted in FOIA documents) =as well as with the very corporations and institutions we protested=. How many banksters are in jail? How much Wall Street reform has occurred? Not holding my damn breath.

SERIOUSLY: If W Bush had arrested 7700+ peaceful, righteous protesters, wouldn't you ALL be enraged? But when a democrat does it, it's okay, despite the absolute righteousness of the cause? Obama let Bush and his war criminal friends WALK but when we point out lies and corruption and a better way of living, we get attacked?




For further reading:

Oakland officials caught in lies about attacking Occupy (Dial-up warning; graphic images and video)
occupyobservations.blogspot.com/2012/01/oakland-officials-caught-in-lies-about.html

What remains unchanged or has worsened under Obama?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023389720


Dell Cameron ?@dellcam

BREAKING: Obama condemns violence... except in #Pakistan, #Yemen, #Sudan, #Iraq, #Afghanistan, #Palestine, #Bahrain, #Libya, #Chicago...

[msanthrope]

1. Are you comparing 525 dead in Egypt with Occupy?

And do you have video of the President mocking you? Or are you just assuming that his statement on Egypt was personally directed at you?

[KoKo]

2. We needed to relearn these old wise sayings:

My Grandmother was very fond of those sayings. She grew up rural...and had good common sense.

"Watch what they do....and not what they say."

"They give with one hand and take back with the other"

"They speak with a forked tongue."

[Fire Walk With Me]

5. Truth. And sarcasm/mockery is the language of sadists. We hated it when W did it to us... n/t

[Redneck_Dem]

3. Occu-what?

[LanternWaste]

6. Often takes the application of mental energy to know what's going on in the world around us.

Often takes the discipline and application of mental energy to know what's going on in the world around us. Good luck!

[Fire Walk With Me]

7. Welcome to DU!

[MineralMan]

4. Kinda false equivalency, there...

Sorry. I can't say I agree with your logic.

[KarKar]

59. Why don't you agree?

You recognize that it's logical.

[MineralMan]

60. In time, I am sure you will

understand. I am ever an optimist.

[Comrade Grumpy]

8. It's okay when Egypt's generals murder hundreds, but not when American cops beat somebody?

[liberal_at_heart]

9. I never knew just how many Occupiers were arrested. over 7700? That is outrageous.

There will be another protest movement. There will another one, and another one, and another one until our government stops catering to the rich and starts taking care of its people. They may have been able to put the people down, but the people never stay down.

[Fire Walk With Me]

11. 7,762 according to this site

http://stpeteforpeace.org/occupyarrests.sources.html

but it doesn't list the four arrests I witnessed in LA on 3/19/2012, so it's not fully accurate...should be rounded up but I appreciate the links to confirming articles.

[brooklynite]

24. Tell me...how many of these people were arrested?

Union Airline Pilots Occupy Wall Street

Hundreds of uniformed pilots, standing in stark contrast to the youthful Occupy Wall Street protesters, staged their own protest outside of Wall Street over the past couple of days, holding signs with the picture of the Hudson river crash asking “What’s a Pilot Worth” and others declaring “Management is Destroying Our Airline.” This comes after pilots at United asked a federal judge to halt the merger with Continental, arguing that the whole thing is proceeding too quickly.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/09/29/union-airline-pilots-occupy-wall-street/

The answer is "none"...because they cooperated with local authorities, got a permit, and didn't interfere with the rights of anybody else.

You're welcome to believe that Occupy's goals superseded any requirements of municipal Government, and I'll agree that the police response was heavy-handed, but nobody went out of their way to deny them a Constitutional right to protest.

[Fire Walk With Me]

31. Your reply indicates a discomfort with Civil Disobedience and perhaps a need to better understand

the depth of the issues now facing us, and the need for Direct Action they demand (Dream Defenders in FL; Moral Mondays in NC; Sing-A-Longs in WI, wage strikes at notoriously anti-union and anti-worker's rights corporations such as the fast food industry and Walmart).

I believe in Michael Moore's "Capitalism: A Love Story" he depicted airline pilots with two jobs to make ends meet, or being on food stamps, or both; it's been a while. I'm not sure that their plight was extinguished from that one marvelous, inspiring day of protest, but I am very happy they showed up and demanded their Rights be fulfilled. It would be worth following up to see if they were successful.

Please note the continuing income inequality present in this country:

Well and truly, this is only changing for the worst, and Obama has repeatedly signed legislation enabling it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022445620

Over 7,000 peaceful protesters arrested but zero zero zero corrupt banksters or corporate executives who nearly crashed the economy. No, under Obama they continue to receive our tax dollars as utterly unneeded bailouts. I'm pissed; here's hoping you will be as well.

Also note that Martin Luther King, Jr., wrote an article to Liberals chiding them for pushing the concept that the disenfranchised must wait for things to change. A very dangerous attitude which allows the problems that be to continue.

Also, our very nation is founded upon protest of the unacceptable!

[brooklynite]

35. You're welcome to believe in, and engage in civil disobedience...

...but make sure 1) you're prepared for the consequences (e.g. don't complain, as people, do here, that protesters were arrested), and 2) target your disobedience appropriately. If you're going to complain about lack of prosecution of bankers, or the lack of financial regulation, or the Court rulings on campaign finance, then the focal point is the FEDERAL Government, not the City of New York, or Boston, or Oakland. The notion that there's a monolithic "them" Government which is oppressing "us" at all levels is something I expect to read on a RW site, not here.

[Fire Walk With Me]

39. There most definitely is a "them" about whom Occupy has been speaking. Examples:

Unsealed court-settlement documents reveal banks stole $trillions' worth of houses
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023455454

Matt Taibbi: Ripping Off Young America: The College-Loan Scandal
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023466523

TPP free trade deal threatens democracy, jobs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023467268

The (Bush family) Carlyle Group Has Made $2 Billion Off Of Booz Allen
http://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanvardi/2013/06/10/the-carlyle-group-has-made-2-billion-off-of-booz-allen/

Water privatization by the richest rich is happening now ("hydraulic empire&quot incl. the Bush family
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023406830

Meet the Contractors Turning America's Police Into a Paramilitary Force
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12525281

It’s Not a Housing Boom. It’s a Land Grab
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023364208

What remains unchanged or has worsened under Obama?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023389720

How America's Top Tech Companies Created the Surveillance State
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023378102

And none of this appears on anything resembling a voting ballot or politician's platform. It is simply occurring and must be made known and stopped.

And we're not whining about arrests or police brutality. We're making known that over a year of it, against thousands of us, many many of them made-up charges, amounts to an official government position. Which must be made known and stopped.

[Puzzledtraveller]

10. k&r

[JoePhilly]

12. Now the President is a Domestic Terrorist.

And I was just getting used to him being Hitler, Stalin and Mao all rolled into one.

[Fire Walk With Me]

14. According to the real, actual, factual FBI and "patriot act" definitions of domestic terrorism, YES.

It's there in the OP along with links to confirm.

[JoePhilly]

15. I guess we should impeach him.

Call your congressman.

[Fire Walk With Me]

19. You believe the corrupt systems can provide justice? Look at Wall Street and banks such as HSBC,

marching on after having engaged in nearly country-killing corruption. You've heard of "too big to jail"? They ain't going to jail, and Obama is an enabler. Where shall we source a mechanism of justice for such things? From the DOJ who will not punish the banks and wall street?

It's all money-owned and oriented. This government does not represent its people. It represents the very rich and their interests.

What remains unchanged or has worsened under Obama?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023389720

Thank you for attempting to consider the issues I've presented. That's sarcasm.

[JoePhilly]

26. I did consider the issues you presented.

And I found that presentation ridiculous.

You claimed the President is a domestic terrorist. Its a ridiculous claim.

Past that, even if we assume you were right ... you have no idea what to do about any of it. Apparently the system is too broken to do anything.

And then, you commit the cardinal sin of posting a link to a DU post that you wrote, which itself is packed with even more evil blue links.

[Fire Walk With Me]

34. Again, check the factual, US government-issued definition of domestic terrorist

and tell me how it does not directly apply to what, under Obama, was done to the Occupy movement.

Also, note that the 100+ children murdered by drones in the five or more countries with whom we are not actually at war might call Obama an outright terrorist. Google the term "double tap drones".

It is a cardinal sin to link to collections of links to facts? Can you hear yourself? In this OP I've linked to the US government, twice. I do similar things in other posts, if you'd check the results. This is a problem? This sounds like an attempt to ignore that which is presented, to not actually parse it, but to deny the validity of the facts presented. Such as directly quoting and linking US government websites.

Okay, you aren't interested in the facts or even considering them.

[JoePhilly]

37. You clearly missed the joke about blue links.

That's ok.

I have checked the definition of domestic terrorist. Obama is fine.

As for the overseas drone aspect ... I'm sure that's somewhere in you longer rant, you go on and on about that.

Again, what's your plan? Should the President be tried for war crimes? Say that.

Then, figure out your plan for moving forward. Get people from around teh world to demand he be tried.

I'm always interested in facts, its over the top hyperbole that I tend to scoff at.

[Fire Walk With Me]

40. Gentle jokes in the midst of obduracy may be overlooked or misunderstood.

Obama, per my many many linked articles, is purely on the side of the plutonomy. This is harrowingly clear. The same plutonomy which wants Occupy to shut up and go home, which lied about us across the media, which has their fingers deep in our government and systems and policies.

Extra-judicial executions of US citizens by drone does not strike you not only as unConstitutional but an exceedingly dangerous precedent? That's...odd.

I've presented MANY facts. They're there at the links. Loads and loads of articles for your parousal.

Here's something more regarding domestic terrorism:

It is more than arrests. It is intimidation, beatings, the threat of arrest, harassment, media lies, DHS and FBI spying and sharing our info with corporations...by those who have by now proven repeatedly to be genuinely on the side of those we decry.

The non-arrest of banksters and their continued coddling and bail-out goes to motive, and Obama has by now shown plenty.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022445620

Obama specifically protects and enables Wall Street and the corporations who are enjoying undue, direct influence in "our" government (Mussolini calls Fascism a merger of state and corporate power). DHS have been long since militarizing "our" police departments. DHS spied upon us and include top-level people such as Peter King who flatly, publicly stated that Occupy must not be allowed to gain the same sort of influence as the 60s activists he remembered, lest we actually affect government policy. (Note that the "tea party" who were co-created by the multi-billionaire Koch brothers have not only direct influence of government through protest, but enjoy some three state governors under their control...how are they allowed to influence government police but we are arrested to the tune of thousands?).

Know what? I've seen several Occupiers arrested repeatedly, singled out by cops, given phony felony charges which the cops were smilingly happy to show up in court to enforce. I don't know about your state, but in CA a single felony can bar you from a majority of job opportunities. Even if it's due to completely made-up charges; it destroys lives and the cops were going nuts handing them out to see what could be made stick. I did court support and going through that system creates a lot of stress upon people. The cops go home whistling; our people go under months of stress. Again, some were targeted repeatedly. They were not attempting to get arrested:

This Occupier had been arrested two days earlier, and here are the cops grabbing him again while he's standing still, looking entirely in the other direction. This is what went on and is still going on. To be forced into the court system with the threat of losing life opportunities or even your freedom over phony charges is direct intimidation. One area commander even mocked a woman he'd earlier had arrested (when he saw her at a later protest).

I'm not going on a tangent away from discussing Occupy into qualifying other groups. No tangents.

Know that in our training, we were made very aware of three zones of arrest possibility (safe at the outside, more danger toward the target, danger of arrest at the target) only at certain actions where arrests might be possible. Our training told us to not get arrested, at least here in LA, because of the hassle involved. The threat of arrest, of being repeatedly singled out and arrested, IS intimidation.

And if you've somehow missed the images and video of police brutality I've posted from the "democratic" national convention, check out a very little bit of what occurred in Oakland via a "democratic" mayor (who had been in a conference call with 18 other mayors regarding what to "do" about Occupy encampments). Note the near-death experiences of two peaceful Veterans and the repeated lies out of city hall:

http://occupyobservations.blogspot.com/2012/01/oakland-officials-caught-in-lies-about.html

Police brutality. Police profiling. Phony arrests and phony charges. Intimidation. Courts experiences. Hundreds upon hundreds of militarized police against us, over and over and over and over. "GO HOME AND SHUT UP" is the clear message, and it comes down from government. Remember the genuinely corporate "tea party" have their way with the government, but we are beaten and jailed. For well over a year.

Maybe you had to be there for it to make sense, that the government's message is “DO WHAT WE SAY OR ELSE”. I certainly do not see any of those who are challenging my domestic terrorism definition even allowing for the fact that Obama is at the very minimum, speaking in terrible hypocrisy regarding Egypt versus his absolute silence regarding the treatment endured to this day by Occupy.

[geek tragedy]

56. How many OWS people were arrested by the federal government vs those who were killed by Egypt's

government?

Your comparison is as psychotic as is it is vain.

[geek tragedy]

54. No, Obama is a 'terrrorist' according to deranged, insane psychopaths who have no ability to grasp

reality.

No exceptions.

[great white snark]

16. I've seen him called that before on DU.

In fact I've seen you personally called "crazy", among other things, when the "Nazi" and other nefarious comparisons are brought up.

I guess only us "authoritarians" can see the hatred is very real.

[Fire Walk With Me]

20. Read the definition(s) of domestic terrorism and explain to me how they do not apply

but facts and no opinions, because the opinion patrol is attempting to use noise to signal to express their displeasure with facts not aligning with their weltanschauung.

[phleshdef]

29. Such simple minded bullshit.

First off, the President doesn't control every local police force in the country and that's a good thing. I would hate for a Republican tyrant to have that kind of power.

Many Occupy arrests were due to protestors blocking intersections and pedestrian traffic or refusing to comply with dispersal orders which are legal based on local codes and laws. People have the RIGHT to protest but people who aren't participating also have the RIGHT to travel, go to work and go about their day without being impeded by protestors.

Yes, there have been very troubling instances of police brutality toward protestors, but to blame that on the federal government is just idiotic. Based on your spin, you'd think the President of the United States is micromanaging every police officer at every protest in every city and every state in the country. Its ludicrous. Officers getting out of line is a local issue.

But to answer your question, no the definition of domestic terrorism does not apply. Police attempting to break up massive protests that are causing logistical problems for average citizens within these cities is not unlawful. Likewise, if theres a concern for the security or property of others, they can step in and break it up. And whenever you have thousands of people coming together to protest, there is almost always going to be sects within that group that protest in a way that's going to attract law enforcement intervention. I've been to an occupy protest, don't act like everyone participating is a mature adult behaving themselves. That's not the case. There are pockets of rowdy, immature people in all of them. And that's all it takes to attract the wrong kind of attention.

Theres a fine line between peaceful protests and disturbing the peace. In a lot of these instances, disturbing the peace can be rightfully cited as the reason for law enforcement trying to move a crowd. In some cases, you have officers who are power maniacs with short fuses and they go overboard. Those officers should be investigated and fired, but that's still a city issue, whether you like it or not.

I'm all for a productive conversation about the limits to free speech and cracking down hard on police brutality. But the way you portray the situation is completely off the rails and out of touch with the reality of the way things work.

[JoePhilly]

36. Great Post.

[dionysus]

47. you win the thread. nt

[geek tragedy]

55. Your reality, facts, and logica are terrorism against the paranoid fantasies

of the black helicopter left.

[FSogol]

58. +1000 n/t

[JoePhilly]

21. Amazing isn't it.

But ya know ... Occasionally, I hear tell that there is a secret FEMA camp packed with dissidents, down by the old abandoned mill.

Folks don't go down that way much anymore these days. And some say that area is haunted by the screaming souls of the Occupy Protesters who were taken there and never seen again.

[Fire Walk With Me]

23. Weird how the arrests of more than 7,762 peaceful activists under a "democratic" president fails

to alarm certain people who appear to be ready to forgive him any transgression and to mock those who have actually stood up and protested against the issues continuing to destroy this country, enabled by Obama himself.

No FEMA camps, just facts. Tell me how the US government definitions of domestic terrorism do not directly and factually apply to 7,762 arrests of peaceful activists engaging in the 1st Amendment (and NO BANKSTERS WHATSOEVER arrested then or now).

Wake up and smell the litter box. Wouldn't you be screaming if W had arrested over 7,000 peaceful activists decrying the real, actual problems facing the country?

[liberal_at_heart]

25. people only care what happens to people they agree with. Sad fact of humanity.

[laundry_queen]

27. i would alter that statment to start with 'some'

and it's a vocal 'some' here at DU, no doubt about it.

[JoePhilly]

28. Why do you think I disagree with the Occupy folks?

Did I say that?

[JoePhilly]

30. So if I don't agree that the arrest of these folks is the same as

Domestic Terrorism, apparently, I'm not alarmed enough.

Geeze ... this is like debating the guy on the subway who thinks he is Jesus here to redeem the world.

Forinstance ... you said this ...

No FEMA camps, just facts. Tell me how the US government definitions of domestic terrorism do not directly and factually apply to 7,762 arrests of peaceful activists engaging in the 1st Amendment (and NO BANKSTERS WHATSOEVER arrested then or now).

Why would the "banksters" being arrested or not, have any bearing on whether the arrest of those Occupy protesters was "domestic terrorism"?

Those are unrelated. You bolt them together as if the lack of arrests of "banksters" bolsters your other claim. Its does not. Its a non argument.

Back to protesters getting arrested. The argument you make is that about 8000 Occupy folks were arrested and that is a violation of their 1st amendment rights, and (by some additional leap) also domestic terrorism. And it happened about 8000 times, in various locations, around the country.

What makes the arrest of Occupy protesters more special than special ... more like "domestic terrorism" than the arrest of any other protest group or groups? Why not include the arrest of all protesters who are ever arrested, anywhere in the country?

Of course you can't make any such argument because a goal in many protests is to GET ARRESTED. Its an intended outcome.

So what do you think? Do you think the Occupy folks were unaware that they could be arrested for camping out in locations and breaking local laws in the process? Or, was getting arrested PART OF THE PLAN for many of them.

You get arrested, and it draws attention to your cause. TV crews come. Maybe you get more protesters.

In North Carolina, over 1000 people have been arrested during Moral Monday protests of Pat McCrory and recent GOP legislation. Those protesters know that they might get arrested.

I guess THAT is also an example of Obama's domestic terrorism.

[Fire Walk With Me]

41. Posting this here as well:

It is more than arrests. It is intimidation, beatings, the threat of arrest, harassment, media lies, DHS and FBI spying and sharing our info with corporations...by those who have by now proven repeatedly to be genuinely on the side of those we decry.

The non-arrest of banksters and their continued coddling and bail-out goes to motive, and Obama has by now shown plenty.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022445620

Obama specifically protects and enables Wall Street and the corporations who are enjoying undue, direct influence in "our" government (Mussolini calls Fascism a merger of state and corporate power). DHS have been long since militarizing "our" police departments. DHS spied upon us and include top-level people such as Peter King who flatly, publicly stated that Occupy must not be allowed to gain the same sort of influence as the 60s activists he remembered, lest we actually affect government policy. (Note that the "tea party" who were co-created by the multi-billionaire Koch brothers have not only direct influence of government through protest, but enjoy some three state governors under their control...how are they allowed to influence government police but we are arrested to the tune of thousands?).

Know what? I've seen several Occupiers arrested repeatedly, singled out by cops, given phony felony charges which the cops were smilingly happy to show up in court to enforce. I don't know about your state, but in CA a single felony can bar you from a majority of job opportunities. Even if it's due to completely made-up charges; it destroys lives and the cops were going nuts handing them out to see what could be made stick. I did court support and going through that system creates a lot of stress upon people. The cops go home whistling; our people go under months of stress. Again, some were targeted repeatedly. They were not attempting to get arrested:

This Occupier had been arrested two days earlier, and here are the cops grabbing him again while he's standing still, looking entirely in the other direction. This is what went on and is still going on. To be forced into the court system with the threat of losing life opportunities or even your freedom over phony charges is direct intimidation. One area commander even mocked a woman he'd earlier had arrested (when he saw her at a later protest).

I'm not going on a tangent away from discussing Occupy into qualifying other groups. No tangents.

Know that in our training, we were made very aware of three zones of arrest possibility (safe at the outside, more danger toward the target, danger of arrest at the target) only at certain actions where arrests might be possible. Our training told us to not get arrested, at least here in LA, because of the hassle involved. The threat of arrest, of being repeatedly singled out and arrested, IS intimidation.

And if you've somehow missed the images and video of police brutality I've posted from the "democratic" national convention, check out a very little bit of what occurred in Oakland via a "democratic" mayor (who had been in a conference call with 18 other mayors regarding what to "do" about Occupy encampments). Note the near-death experiences of two peaceful Veterans and the repeated lies out of city hall:

http://occupyobservations.blogspot.com/2012/01/oakland-officials-caught-in-lies-about.html

Police brutality. Police profiling. Phony arrests and phony charges. Intimidation. Courts experiences. Hundreds upon hundreds of militarized police against us, over and over and over and over. "GO HOME AND SHUT UP" is the clear message, and it comes down from government. Remember the genuinely corporate "tea party" have their way with the government, but we are beaten and jailed. For well over a year.

Maybe you had to be there for it to make sense, that the government's message is “DO WHAT WE SAY OR ELSE”.

[Generic Other]

48. Fire Walk of the 7762

How many were found guilty of crimes? Or were most charges dropped? I know for a fact at my Occupy camp, only one arrest and it was a crackhead who stole, started fights, and eventually was arrested for threatening campers with a knife and throwing lighter fluid on tents. I think he spent one night in jail. So at least one of the many arrests was not an occupier.

[Fire Walk With Me]

49. Many got probation after months of worrisome court dates and extremely aggressive prosecutors.

One Occupier was threatened with arrest while he was on the stand testifying. The judge shut down that witness intimidation on the spot but in LA they are out of control. Some with records didn't do so well. It was said the city tried to reinstate charges against the 292 arrested in the encampment attack (1,400 riot police by the city's count). Note that in Chicago and Cleveland, Occupiers have been given horrible sentences. One LA Occupier caught up in Chicago's bullshit arrests (an NLG observer cleared him of phony felony charges by a cop who claimed to have been hit by him) had his charges reinstated after being cleared; he went back and served many, many months of house arrest for no reason other than aggressive mayors and bullshit charges.

[Generic Other]

50. I didn't realize so many cases had such negative outcomes

I figured most were dropped. The occupiers in my town had a very different experience. At first, it appeared the police might get aggressive; instead they told us that they actually appreciated our presence in a high crime area of town. We fed down and out homeless folks, provided clothing, tents, assistance getting medical help for people including a homeless pregnant teen. Our group lasted for almost 4 months. And after dismantling the camp, they cleaned, re-seeded the grass and tried to leave all as we found it.

While I do think this country has a very bad track record concerning our right to peaceful assembly, I am not going to call it domestic terrorism when Obama does it because this is the way they have always acted. I would call it violating our Constitutional rights.

[Fire Walk With Me]

52. I'm glad your local group had a positive experience. Small towns can be like that

when it comes to charity and positive civic-mindedness. The larger cities however demonstrated a different outcome. Dial-up warning, graphic images and video:

Oakland officials caught in lies about attacking Occupy
occupyobservations.blogspot.com/2012/01/oakland-officials-caught-in-lies-about.html

[KittyWampus]

22. I'm not sure if Domestic Terrorist is an upgrade or not. What do you think?

[JoePhilly]

32. I think suggesting that the Presdient is a Domestic Terrorist,

like say Timothy Mcvea, who was an actual Domestic terrorist, is pretty nonsensical.

[great white snark]

13. One opinion. You don't speak for the entirity of occupy so why use the word "us?"

Let alone the pretzel logic used to once again blame President Obama for a fancied affront.

[Fire Walk With Me]

18. No, I do not speak for the entire movement. However, I am observing and reporting upon what occurred

to the entire movement during Obama's watch. For well over a year's time. Was assaulted by a cop during a peaceful Occupy march during that time. Witnesssed many arrests, endless harassment, DHS personnel (one with a German Shepherd on a leash)...saw far too many videos and livestreams of police brutality against us, especially in Oakland and NYC (yet Obama praises Ray Kelly in glowing terms and is considering him as secretary of DHS, who are among those who spied on us from day one and shared our info with other agencies including the corrupt corporations we protest against).

Obama is to blame. The buck stops there. Period. The definition of domestic terrorism is both the FBI's and "patriot act"s. Over 7,762 Occupiers arrested, some still in jail. Zero zip zilch banksters and wall streeters arrested or even seriously investigated, continuing to be protected and bailed out by OUR tax dollars as we speak, years later.

If you are not pissed, get pissed. We have been sold out repeatedly and mocked for our efforts.

[JoePhilly]

33. If Obama is to blame, you should be demanding his impeachment.

Or of that's not viable, what's your plan?

Pissed isn't a plan.

[Fire Walk With Me]

42. A large enough group of those pissed, IS a plan. n/t

[geek tragedy]

57. "Obama is to blame" said someone who has no idea of how our government actually works. nt

[zappaman]

17. uh huh.

[dionysus]

38. .

[DevonRex]

45. mphmphph. titter. giggle.

[Number23]

61. Oh my God!

I don't even know what's going on in this OP. I got to the "acidically mock" part in the OP and instantly went into mode.

Not only does "acidically mock" make absolutely no sense, bu it makes the red squiggles in my spell check go crazy. So it's nonsensical AND poorly spelled.

[Cali_Democrat]

44. So you think Obama is a domestic terrorist?

According to this reply you do:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3467060

[DevonRex]

46. Yes, she does think President Obama is a terrorist.

No need for the adjective.

[geek tragedy]

53. Obama didn't arrest Occupy Demonstrators. Simple fact whereas your post is a paranoid fantasy, nt