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lovuian

(19,362 posts)
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 11:51 PM Feb 2012

Are we looking for Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iran?

Because I surely hope we have evidence
We don't have a very good track record here

I hope we aren't using the Forged Niger documents again

We did a preemptive strike before based on Weapons of Mass Destruction

but there wasn't any

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Are we looking for Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iran? (Original Post) lovuian Feb 2012 OP
We aren't doing anything, despite the massive river of paranoia going around. nt TheWraith Feb 2012 #1
bu$h* has been out of office for three years. spanone Feb 2012 #2
Lets look at the damages lovuian Feb 2012 #4
I don't think that we "as in the US" are looking for weapons of mass teddy51 Feb 2012 #3
A nuclear device verses weapon of mass destruction lovuian Feb 2012 #6
'the war' is already happening. xchrom Feb 2012 #5
agreed right now it is about Syria lovuian Feb 2012 #7

lovuian

(19,362 posts)
4. Lets look at the damages
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 12:08 AM
Feb 2012

136 journalists and 51 media support workers were killed on duty according to the numbers listed on source pages on February 24, 2009.[37][38][39] 94 aid workers have been killed according to a November 21, 2007, Reuters article

As of February 13, 2012, according to the U.S. Department of Defense, there were 4,408 total deaths (including both killed in action and non-hostile) and 31,922 wounded in action (WIA) as a result of Operation Iraqi Freedom.[43] As a part of Operation New Dawn, which was initiated on September 1, 2010, there were 66 total deaths (including KIA and non-hostile) and 301 WIA. See the references for a breakdown of the wounded, injured, ill, those returned to duty (RTD), those requiring medical air transport, non-hostile-related medical air transports, non-hostile injuries, diseases, or other medical reasons

As of 23 October 2011, hostile-fire deaths accounted for 3,777 of the 4,799 total coalition military deaths.

As of November 4, 2006, the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees estimated that 1.8 million Iraqis had been displaced to neighboring countries, and 1.6 million were displaced internally, with nearly 100,000 Iraqis fleeing to Syria and Jordan each month

A study[92] of U.S. veterans published in July 2004 in The New England Journal of Medicine on posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) and other mental disorders in Iraq and Afghanistan veterans found that 5 percent to 9.4 percent (depending on the strictness of the PTSD definition used) suffered from PTSD before deployment. After deployment, 6.2 percent to 19.9 percent suffered from PTSD. For the broad definition of PTSD that represents an increase of 10.5 percent (19.9 percent - 9.4 percent = 10.5 percent). That is 10,500 additional cases of PTSD for every 100,000 U.S. troops after they have served in Iraq.


A March 4, 2009, article in USA Today[99] reported that according to a Pentagon estimate, as many as 360,000 U.S. veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts may have suffered traumatic brain injuries (TBI), including 45,000 to 90,000 veterans with persistent symptoms requiring specialized care. (A separate estimate for the Iraq conflict alone was not specified.)

A top U.S. Army psychiatrist, Colonel Charles Hoge, told the U.S. Congress in March 2008 that nearly 30 percent of troops on their third deployment suffer from serious mental-health problems, and that one year was not enough time between combat tours

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

Just want us not to forget it takes incredible toll on our military and people to go to War

 

teddy51

(3,491 posts)
3. I don't think that we "as in the US" are looking for weapons of mass
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 12:02 AM
Feb 2012

destruction" but I do think that the Israeli's probably are. As far as Netanyahu is concerned, yep I think he is.

lovuian

(19,362 posts)
6. A nuclear device verses weapon of mass destruction
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 12:18 AM
Feb 2012

A strong report by United Nations weapons inspectors in November 2011 presented a trove of new evidence that they said made a “credible” case that “Iran has carried out activities relevant to the development of a nuclear device” and that the project may still be under way.

n response, the United States and the European Union took significant steps to cut Iran off from the international financial system, announcing coordinated sanctions aimed at its central bank and commercial banks. In addition, the United States also imposed sanctions on companies involved in Iran’s nuclear industry, as well as on its petrochemical and oil industries, adding to existing measures that seek to weaken the Iranian government by depriving it of its ability to refine gasoline or invest in its petroleum industry

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/iran/index.html

I like how the weapon of mass destruction is now called by the media

"a nuclear device"

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
5. 'the war' is already happening.
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 12:16 AM
Feb 2012

It's covert for now - assassinations, hostages, military exercises, etc.

Will it blow up past all this?

I don't know - but even this is very lucrative for some.

lovuian

(19,362 posts)
7. agreed right now it is about Syria
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 12:31 AM
Feb 2012
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/iran/index.html

If Israel decided to attack Iran
its pilots would have to fly more than 1,000 miles across unfriendly airspace, refuel in the air en route, fight off Iran’s air defenses, attack multiple underground sites simultaneously — and use at least 100 planes.

That was the assessment of American defense officials and military analysts close to the Pentagon, who said that an Israeli attack meant to set back Iran’s nuclear program would be a huge and highly complex operation. They described it as far different from Israel’s “surgical” strikes on a nuclear reactor in Syria in 2007 and Iraq’s Osirak reactor in 1981.

In a sign of rising American concern, Tom Donilon, the national security adviser, met with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel in Jerusalem on Feb. 19, and Gen. Martin E. Dempsey warned on CNN that an Israeli strike on Iran right now would be “destabilizing.” Similarly, the British foreign secretary, William Hague, told the BBC that attacking Iran would not be “the wise thing” for Israel to do “at this moment.”


What if Israel does the unwise thing? Does America follow?

There is a interesting story about the Crusades
St Louis brother a hot tempered fello very macho refused to follow the Templar Grandmaster Guilliame Sonnac's advice
to wait for reinforcements. The Count of Anjou disobeyed orders and launched an attack. When he got overwhelmed
the Templar Grandmaster was forced to follow

the results were total annihilation of the Templars and Crusaders

History has a way of repeating itself
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