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Better Believe It

(18,630 posts)
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 11:25 PM Feb 2012

Wall Street Oil Speculation Driving Surge in Gas Prices

Wall Street Oil Speculation Driving Surge in Gas Prices
by Common Dreams staff
February 22, 2012

"On Tuesday," according to reporting by McClatchy's Kevin G. Hall, "Oil [prices] rose past $106 a barrel and gasoline averaged $3.57 a gallon — thanks again in no small part to rampant financial speculation on top of fears of supply disruptions."

Hall's report highlights the fact that despite rising prices at US gas pumps, demand in the US was so low it has "become a net exporter of gasoline, unable to consume all that it generates."

This fact contradicts the familar refrain from GOP politicians and operatives who claim that a 'Drill Everywhere' agenda would solve US energy woes or lead to lower prices for consumers.



That speculators have a huge impact on oil and gasoline prices is not news to anyone paying attention to the subject over the years, but it is an aspect that most media outlets rarely mention -- even when spiking gasoline prices dominate the news cycle. And legislatively, efforts to bring damaging speculative practices under control have continually stalled in Congress.

Read the full article at:

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/02/22-2


Senator Sanders talking about oil speculation on MSNBC's the Ed Show in August of 2011:



Bernie Sanders explains the implications of oil speculation on MSNBC in light of data that was made public which lists the companies that had direct linkage to the high oil prices in 2008. What must be done in response to this excessive speculation, which hurts the average American and the American economy, is also discussed by Sanders.

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Wall Street Oil Speculation Driving Surge in Gas Prices (Original Post) Better Believe It Feb 2012 OP
oil speculation ought to be illegal. nt limpyhobbler Feb 2012 #1
Nothing wrong with a futures market for those safeinOhio Feb 2012 #3
That and a rather hefty windfall profits tax. n/t bluesbassman Feb 2012 #4
How about enforcing laws preventing commercials from speculating? just1voice Feb 2012 #6
I confess I have no idea what you are talking about. limpyhobbler Feb 2012 #7
Producers use futures to manager risk safeinOhio Feb 2012 #10
So the oil speculators (investors) are jacking up oil prices, not small farmers. Exactly! Better Believe It Feb 2012 #13
Yep. Speculating in commodities markets would stop the next day. Ikonoklast Feb 2012 #11
They Are The Ones 1ProudAtheist Feb 2012 #2
the oil monopoly.... unkachuck Feb 2012 #5
Actually, yes you will. A HERETIC I AM Feb 2012 #8
Great post Oasis_ Feb 2012 #9
It wouldn't be possible without all our military adventures in the Mid East. Romulox Feb 2012 #12
Sorry, but...no Spider Jerusalem Feb 2012 #14

safeinOhio

(32,720 posts)
3. Nothing wrong with a futures market for those
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 11:31 PM
Feb 2012

that need to stabilize their cost. Like airlines and farmers that use a lot of gas. To solve the problem, a law that requires being able to take delivery is all that is needed.

 

just1voice

(1,362 posts)
6. How about enforcing laws preventing commercials from speculating?
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 11:42 PM
Feb 2012

"Law" being the key word, there is no enforcement of any "law" that involves large bank speculators.

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
7. I confess I have no idea what you are talking about.
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 12:04 AM
Feb 2012

How does allowing oil speculation help airlines, farmers, or others who use a lot of gas?

How does speculation stabilize cost?

Wouldn't the price of oil be more stable if it was based on actual supply and demand instead of speculation?

And it would be even more stable than that if the price were fixed or partially fixed by regulations. Right?

safeinOhio

(32,720 posts)
10. Producers use futures to manager risk
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 10:34 AM
Feb 2012

against big changes in prices. If a farmer has to double or triple his outlay for fuel, after planting a crop, he is insuring a stable price may allow him a profit or break even.

The problem for you and me is that after the mid 2000s, 99 percent of all futures were sold to investors, not producers.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
11. Yep. Speculating in commodities markets would stop the next day.
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 10:49 AM
Feb 2012

Prove that you are able to take delivery of any commodity that you hold a position in, otherwise all you are is a gambler.

 

1ProudAtheist

(346 posts)
2. They Are The Ones
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 11:29 PM
Feb 2012

trying to start another war in the middle east just to create more instability.......just like The Village Idiot did to pay back his oil butt-buddies.

 

unkachuck

(6,295 posts)
5. the oil monopoly....
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 11:38 PM
Feb 2012

....and the wall-street casinos colluding to make President Obama a one-term president....better do something about this, Prez....

....we're not going to be buying new cars if we can't afford to put gasoline in them....

A HERETIC I AM

(24,377 posts)
8. Actually, yes you will.
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 12:08 AM
Feb 2012

"we're not going to be buying new cars if we can't afford to put gasoline in them..."

Well, you (meaning the American public at large) won't be buying cars that get 20 MPG, like they have been for the last 30 years.

And since there is a whole SHITLOAD of new models out that get well beyond 30MPG these days - Hybrids, Electric, Diesels, just better gas engines, etc., people will still buy new cars.

They just won't buy so many of the ones that get shitty mileage.

There will always be a place for the Ford F-350 4X4 that gets 12 MPG. Ranchers, farmers, utility companies, service trucks, etc. But don't think for a minute that there isn't a wave of new car buying coming.

It's already started.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
12. It wouldn't be possible without all our military adventures in the Mid East.
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 10:50 AM
Feb 2012

Our wars are put on for others' profit, imo.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
14. Sorry, but...no
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 06:57 PM
Feb 2012

As to whether speculation drive oil prices in 2008, see the following:

Did Speculation Drive Oil Prices? Market Fundamentals Suggest Otherwise
by Michael D. Plante and Mine K. Yücel

(lead-in snipped)

Energy consumption increases as GDP rises; but energy consumption in developing countries increases almost twice as fast as in developed countries. GDP expansion in emerging economies was particularly strong between 2005 and 2007, averaging 8 percent per year. Real GDP in China, for example, grew by an average 12.7 percent annually between 2005 and 2007, while the nation’s oil consumption increased 5.1 percent annually during the period.

From the beginning of 2007 to mid-2008, weekly prices for West Texas Intermediate (WTI) crude oil jumped 152 percent, from $57 to $143 per barrel. It’s possible that growing demand for crude oil might not be the reason for the rise. However, if the increase was due to other factors, oil consumption should have begun falling in response to the higher prices. Instead, there was almost no consumption decline during the period, implying that oil prices were driven by growing world income and demand.

(snip)

A speculator wanting to drive up the current price of oil would have to buy in the spot market. Since the price is determined in a cash marketplace where transactions are settled with physical oil changing hands, speculative buyers would have to store their purchases, and inventories would rise. Instead, during the oil price run-up in 2007 and 2008, inventories in the U.S. were being depleted. Chart 3 shows WTI prices and U.S. oil inventories and illustrates the workings of an efficient market—as supplies diminish, prices rise and the market tightens.


Another possibility might be speculators using floating storage, keeping oil in tankers at sea and off the market. Floating storage appears to increase in 2008, rising from 68.4 million barrels at the end of October to 97 million barrels in May (Chart 4). However, floating storage declined in June and continued falling throughout the summer.


We would have expected to see floating storage rise significantly during the summer if speculators were in the market; instead, the opposite occurred. Floating storage did rise much later in the year, but that was concurrent with the global recession.

There is one additional type of storage—producers maintaining the oil as reserves and not producing. However, if we look at OPEC output, it clearly rose as oil prices went up, until July 2008. OPEC increased production by 2.4 million barrels per day from the beginning of 2007 to July 2008. Non-OPEC production remained relatively constant and did not rise, though this is largely a function of non-OPEC producers’ zero excess capacity rather than an attempt to restrict output.
http://www.dallasfed.org/research/eclett/2011/el1111.html



And oil prices are not $106 a barrel, they're closer to $125. Which is in line with the price in 2008 when gasoline was last at $3.50 a gallon. Falling demand in the US means jack when demand globally is at record levels of 89 million barrels a day and overhead capacity margins are razor-thin. This is supply and demand, with perhaps some small (no more than 5-10%) "risk premium" based on fears over Iran. It's quite frankly appalling to see the news media and politicians pandering to people's basic economic ignorance on the issue and blaming it on speculation instead of confronting the elephant in the room: the era of cheap oil is over, prices aren't coming back down, and people need to both get used to it and make lifestyle changes to accommodate it.
Sucks for a lot of people since the infrastructure and transit systems of the US are built around the assumption of plentiful cheap oil; it's going to be a painful and unpleasant adjustment, but frankly? It should have started years ago when there was more room for manoeuvre. Blaming it on "speculators" and ignoring the fundamentals of supply and demand in a global market isn't going to do anything to change the situation, or to make it cheaper to fill your tank.
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