When did the wingers start equating contraception with abortion?

[MrScorpio]

Is this a recent thing?

[NAO]

1. This year. Because insurance would cover "morning after pills", aka "abortifactants"

seriously, that is the reason.

Plus, it's not about contraception, it's about "the attack on our religious freedom". Just ask any Catholic, Evangelical, or Republican.

[Liberal Veteran]

2. About the time that "uppity usurper" in the WH said it should be covered.

Even the majority of wingers thought this was nonsense until this particular president made a rule to provide it.

And make no mistake, they hate him first and foremost because he is a successful man of color.

[fishwax]

3. It's always been on their to-do list. Used to be they were more subtle/circumspect about it.

[CTyankee]

11. Yep. Waiting to surface...always there...

[Igel]

4. Depends on the type of contraception and the variety of "winger."

There's diversity of both and that makes sweeping generalizations a bit tough.

Take IUDs. They apparently can prevent fertilization. The "barrier" they produce isn't latex but a thickening and changing of vaginal secretions so that sperm can't get to the egg. Those who don't oppose prevention of fertilization find them okay, at least if they think that's actually how it functions. The nonexistent "every sperm is sacred" group would oppose IUDs regardless.

But an IUD might also function by making the endometrial tissue unable to accept implantation of an egg. IUDs don't just prevent fertilization, if this is true, they represent human intervention in preventing the implantation of a viable fertilized egg (at whatever stage of development). Those against such intervention would find IUDs objectionable, if they think that's how IUDs actually work.

So how a given person feels about IUDs depends on (a) their attitude towards preventing implantation and the extent to which they think that this is a kind of abortion and (b) their understanding of the IUD "technology." Point (a) by itself can't explain the distribution, neither can (b).

For more controversial kinds of birth control the entities actually need to be rather freely multiplied. In other words, "as simple as possible" is actually pretty complex.

[HockeyMom]

8. It's the preventing implantation of a fertilized egg, they consider "abortion"

Anything that can thin the uterine lining and prevent implantation of a "person" is abortion too; no how remote the chance. This is why many people have objected to those "personhood" bills which would outlaw the Pill, IUD's.

Even breastfeeding a newborn can do this. I had this happen to me and just happened to have a regular scheduled OB exam when it did at 2 months when nursing my daughter on demand. Ban breastfeeding cause it can "kill" the unborn? I suppose they would say that was an "act of god". Perhaps god, or mother nature, considers the survival of the ALREADY BORN infants more important to the survival (what FORMULA?) of the human race, than a fertilized egg? Of course, they know ALL there is to know in the Universe.

[saras]

19. Breastfeeding is SUPPOSED to keep you infertile

So God fucked up until bottle feeding could be invented.

Seriously, breastfeeding is one of mammaldom's methods of birth control. Not perfect, but effective. Elementary anthropology and intermediate biology. It's why so many animals, from lions to chimps, have males that kill other males' babies, then mate with the female - it's not just the competition for their kid, it's that the female won't be fertile while raising an infant.

[LeftishBrit]

25. If preventing implantation of a fertilized egg is abortion...

then you'd have to say that a majority of conceptions don't make it to birth. I always understood conception to include implantation.

[3waygeek]

5. Back when I was an undergrad in the early 80s...

two of my friends were convinced by their Catholic parents & clergy that the Pill was an abortifacient. I was also raised Catholic, but in a more progressive parish -- Mom took the Pill for a decade, then had a tubal ligation back in the mid 70s. IIRC, it may have been performed at a Catholic hospital.

One of my friends who was misinformed about the pill was 18th of 19 kids, so it's no surprise that her parents would have misinformed her about contraception, never having used it themselves.

[NAO]

6. Dr. Paul TRIED to explain that in last night's debate

saying that morning after pills and regular birth control pills "were identical" in their mechanism - they were both hormones used to regulate menstrual cycles...

but the finer points made by only person in the debate REALLY qualified to speak about the subject were lost on his highly partisan audience.

[HubertHeaver]

7. I first heard it in the early to mid 80's.

My ex-wife got us into what was called the "Couples to Couples League". It was (or is) a Catholic organization dedicated to teaching couples the rhythm method of birth control. I lasted, listened politely, for about a half hour before I could no longer take the bullshit.

[Warren DeMontague]

9. No, it's not new. It's always been Griswold, more than Roe, that pissed em off.

That's been the goal forever. Outlaw non-procreative fucking, or what Rick Santorum calls "the license to do things in the sexual realm that God didn't intend"

[MrScorpio]

13. Jesus Hussein Christ

What planet do these people think they're on?

Human beings have always had extramarital sport fucks, since like FOREVER.

They've been sport fucking since long before "God" came on the scene.

Assholes like Santorum are utterly delusional

[Chemisse]

16. And must be utterly dull in the bedroom as well.

[XemaSab]

20. That's what I was going to chime in to say

They're both part of the abortion/contraception mentality, AKA all women should get married, stay home, and pop out kids. Any sex outside this is against God's plan.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. better question is when they decide to go public with it?

This is actually pretty old... and contraception has been a wart for many in the religious right (insert faith here) for decades.

[CTyankee]

12. I wonder that too. This year seems like an unlikely time to do it but I guess you neverknow.

I suppose the craziness of this weird time was their cue to go with it...

[Johonny]

22. +1

The issues have always been linked on the right. Abortion was always the easier political target for the average public campaign, but the true anti-abortion, right to lifers are people for which masturbation, contraception, homosexuality... are all issues open to public legislation. Questioning other peoples sexual behavior is old, you can find it in the oldest of record human literature. To think a person obsessed with homosexuality or abortion would somehow not fantasize about regulating other types of sexual behavior is the real shock. Why would anyone believe they'd stop at your bedroom door because you think you're "normal"?

[customerserviceguy]

14. Most don't

Really. Yes, some die-hard Catholic (and probably most Mormons) equate the two, but most Republicons are probably OK with family planning. However, they see a wedge issue on the "religious freedom" thing, and they are seizing on the chance to split Catholics away from the Democratic Party on this.

I expect the RCC bishops to pound this hard from the pulpit until they get what they want, or the President's defeat.

[XemaSab]

21. My understanding is that most Mormons use birth control

Mormon families with 4 kids aren't too rare, but Mormon families with 10 kids are pretty rare. If they weren't using contraception, there would be a lot of Mormon families with 10 kids.

[customerserviceguy]

24. They're a bit like Catholics in that regard

They know what their church says, and they won't speak against it, but they do what they want to in their own homes. Now in Utah, there is serious pressure to have a big bunch of kids, so you do see larger families, 7-8 kids is common. Catholics stop way short of that in the last few decades, generally.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

15. When it was politically expedient.

Am I missing something?

[CatholicEdHead]

17. Old news this has been around a long time

when I was once on the Catholic Answers form before getting banned, the extreme "pro-life" Catholics think they are one in the same. They look at it as abortion at a very early stage.

[JNathanK]

18. I'm convinced the recent string of Republicans were really born in the 19th century.

I won't believe otherwise till I see their long form birth certificates!

[SmileyRose]

23. 1962

My mother told a priest in confession that my dad was usind condoms. Priest told her they are killing the blessed children God wants them to have.