A Logical Exercise for Orly Taitz

[kpete]

A) Barack Obama Jr. was born in Honolulu, Hawai'i, which is in the United States.
A) Ted Cruz was born in Calgary, Alberta, which is not in the United States.

B) Barack Obama's mother was born in Kansas, which is in the United States.
B) Ted Cruz's mother was born in Delaware, which is in the United States.

C) Barack Obama's father was born in Kenya.
C) Ted Cruz's father was born in Cuba.

D) Barack Obama is eligible to be president because he was born in the United States, and because his mother was born in the United States.
D) Ted Cruz is eligible to be president because his mother was born in the United States.

Both men are allowed by the Constitution and convention to be president. However, if there is any question on the matter of what natural-born means in the Constitution, Obama clearly has a stronger case then Cruz. And if Cruz is qualified to be president because his mother was born in Delaware, then Obama must be qualified because his mother was born in Kansas, and this would be true even if Obama was really born in Kenya.

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2013/8/7/221732/4245

[Jackpine Radical]

1. I'm impressed.

You got "logical" and "Orly Taitz" into the same sentence.

[brer cat]

6. LOL

Probably the best post of the day.

[hobbit709]

2. Never expect a nutcase to apply logic to their position.

It will make their brain short circuit.

[Spider Jerusalem]

3. Not entirely accurate.

Obama is a citizen because he was born in Hawaii; if he had been born in Kenya (which he wasn't), he wouldn't be, because the citizenship law at the time said:

On or after January 13, 1941, in the case of a child born to a U.S. citizen parent and an alien parent, the U.S. citizen parent had to have resided in the United States or its outlying possessions for 10 years, at least 5 of which were after attaining the age of 16 years in order to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.

http://www.americanlaw.com/citabrd.html

[Jim Lane]

7. Thanks very much for pointing this out.

It always upsets me when Democrats say "Obama's mother was a citizen so he's a citizen regardless of where he was born." That simply wasn't the law when he was born (and when Cruz was born).

One typo in your answer -- the citizen parent had to have lived in the U.S. for at least 5 years after turning 14, not after turning 16 as you state. Either way, Obama's 18-year-old mother could not qualify.

Cruz's mother was older and easily met this requirement.

[spanone]

4. hate trumps logic on a daily basis

[hack89]

5. The Birthers think that Cruz is not eligible

they even have doubts about John McCain because he was not born on US soil.

They are nuts.

[Jim Lane]

8. More precisely, they're divided on that point.

One faction within birtherism has decided, on the basis of no textual authority in the Constitution itself, that eligibility for the presidency is restricted to people who were born in the United States AND both of whose parents were citizens at the time. McCain and Cruz were born outside the United States. Bobby Jindal and Marco Rubio were born in the United States to noncitizen parents. Some birthers hold all four of these men to be ineligible.

For the anti-Obama birthers, the advantage of this viewpoint is that they don't need to embrace the foolishness of the Kenyan birth theory. They can concede that Obama was born in Honolulu and still deny his eligibility because he had one noncitizen parent.

Nevertheless, I think the "mainstream" birthers (that's like getting "logical" and "Orly Taitz" into the same sentence) concede that their case depends on the theory of foreign birth. Their view is not inconsistent with the view that all four Republicans mentioned above are eligible.

[Zoeisright]

9. Logic is completely beyond Oily Titz.

She's just too stupid.