xpost from V&M Me (Steve Leser) vs. Laura Ingraham on the O'Reilly Factor regarding Benghazi

[stevenleser]

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[stevenleser]

4. Never mind. So not worth it. nt

[burnodo]

5. If you say so

I'd say its because your arguments aren't very effective. If they were, you wouldn't be invited back.

[stevenleser]

6. That's what I expected. Fortunately, I have professional folks evaluating it that know better.

I'm sure your opinions have made you very successful in politics and political media.

[stevenleser]

10. What is it that you are actually qualified to talk about? Let's talk about whatever that is. nt

[burnodo]

11. And what are you qualified for?

What other media outlets have you attended? What is a "Democratic strategist" anyway?

[stevenleser]

13. You first since you offered your opinion. What is your media background?

[Cha]

29. You poor deluded thing.. you thought it was okay to

jump on this thread where SL is fighting against republicons and offer nothing but personal ignorant attacks.

[Union Scribe]

9. If you're going to self-promote all over the place

you need to have a thicker skin.

[Fumesucker]

17. Amen n/t

[Cha]

28. "a thicker skin"? for some rude poster who got his damn post

hidden because all he could contribute was a stupid personal attack.

Steven handled that personal insulter just fine.

Oh, and more than a few members here appreciate the heads up for Leser's appearances behind enemy lines.

[Fumesucker]

30. Too bad the same posters didn't appreciate Kookinich going "behind enemy lines"

Every time I think I have the rules to the game figured out something like this happens and I get confused all over again.

[Electric Monk]

31. Yeah, it's hilarious, isn't it? Especially how they totally miss the irony.

[JI7]

58. Does Steve get paid for it like Kucinich ?

[Fumesucker]

62. Indeed n/t

[1StrongBlackMan]

42. Wait a minute ...

are those saying that SL needs a thicker skin the same ways that defended greenwald's thin-skinned responses when he got challenged?

Yep, I thought so. Funny how that works, huh?

[Cha]

48. ah yes.. the greenwald thin skin defender hypocrites are

at it again.

they squawk not to kill the messengers.. snowden and greenwald and then when a article is anti-their heroes.. it's all about killing the messenger dead.

[boston bean]

64. Do you recall what happened to Grayson on DU?

That's more of a comparison.

[sheshe2]

53. +1!

[Fumesucker]

55. Greenwald personally posts his stuff all over DU?

I know some of you consider Glenn a self-promoter and he may be one but I've never seen him on DU.

[1StrongBlackMan]

56. No ...

I was referring to YOU when YOU fell all over yourself defending greenwald childish "I'm the REALLY real journalist" blow-up during his interview. Remember that? Or do I have you confused with someone that writes just like you?

[Fumesucker]

59. I pretty much stay out of the Greenwald threads, they rarely shed more light than heat

I like poo flinging as much as the next DUer but even I have standards.

[1StrongBlackMan]

60. My apologies, then ...

so many fell all over themselves justifying greenwald's on air tantrum and subsequent "I'm rubber and you're glue" twitter tantrum, I lost track.

[DevonRex]

67. Fuck that. This is the place he should get support

from everyone. People who don't get that have a problem.

[boston bean]

71. I would agree, but the Grayson debacle on DU, sort of

invited this type of stuff. I wish neither would have happened.

[DevonRex]

72. I guess I missed that.

It must have been over a topic I had/have trashed for sanity.

[emulatorloo]

7. My mom used to say "If you can't say something nice, STFU."

[stevenleser]

22. Thanks!

[freshwest]

37. And those who can't do, criticize. I doubt many could get up there in the first place.

Let's hear all the critics that have actually been journalists, been in media or held political office review these first. I bet neither Grayson or Warren would make such remarks.

[sheshe2]

52. Since I can't respond to your first hidden post. I will do it here.

I for one want to thank Steven for taking on the bat shit crazies at fox snooze. If he can reach one person, one at a time with the truth. Then I say Kudos!

Why the snark attach on a fellow Democrat?

[Logical]

27. Ignore the jerk, you did fine! And his post was locked also! n-t

[PennsylvaniaMatt]

18. Why are you bashing a fellow Democrat?

He had the courage to go onto a network that none of us even watch because they are typically so vile to our party and represent us Democrats very well. Until you do that, you can keep your criticism to yourself.

I thought you did well tonight, Steve!

[stevenleser]

24. Thank you Matt!

The only mistake I made was even responding to that person.

[1StrongBlackMan]

47. Fellow Democrat? ...

He/she is not a Democrat ... He/she is a proud liberalprogressiveliberatian.

[JaneyVee]

20. Because he kicks their ass?

[stevenleser]

25. JV, you rock!

Thank you!

[Logical]

21. Ahh, someone jealous? n-t

[MrSlayer]

2. Do you run right to the shower after these appearances?

Those people are such slime.

Good job by you.

[stevenleser]

38. LOL

Thank you.

[Gman]

12. Good job Steve!

We all know when you're the sane person in the insane asylum it can be pretty tough. Your arguments are very sound. They live in An alternate reality and they 're not going to get it anyway. Because they're not in touch with the fact based world. I guess that's the definition of insanity.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

40. It's surreal to watch them

twist facts into pretzel shapes to arrive at their desired conclusions,

[dembotoz]

15. thank you for fighting them

[freshwest]

39. +1

[Electric Monk]

34. Skinner called posts like yours "disruptive nonsense", while stevenleser really does get paid by FOX

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12592697#post1

[Fumesucker]

36. The worth of someone can be judged by the fullness of their wallet

Thank you for so clearly stating the obvious rule that all Americans know deep down in their heart.

[Cha]

43. That's just your opinion.. thankfully your personal attack isn't shared by others

on this thread.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

44. Where did you get that impression- "making Democrats look weak, ineffectual, and confused"?

[Electric Monk]

46. I watched and listened to the video. That's what I got out of it. "Um, er, uh...USS Cole...er..." nt

[Proud Liberal Dem]

51. Didn't you notice that Ingraham was yelling, interrupting and talking over him

during just about the entire segment- like all RWNJs, particularly on Fox- tend to do? How do you stop them from being a**holes and let them give our side a fair shake? At least he had the courage to go on there and try. If he made one Fox Zombie or Dittohead think twice, it would be worth it. Sometimes too Republicans throw so much garbage out there it gets rather confusing and difficult to respond to it all. How does one get through to a crazy person? You don't. Plain and simple.

[blm]

65. She was doing it specifically when he brought up the violent protests occurring all over

the world throughout that week. Not to mention the added discomfort that the annex attacked was a covert CIA operation. That is why the CIA controlled the talking points.

The RW narrative has been that any talk about those violent protests was a lie and to cover up Benghazi, however, practically speaking, what is a State Dept to do when there are dozens of violent protests popping up all over the world at your embassies and consulates all at the same time? Focus only on one consulate where people are dead or try to deal with all of them all over the world to try and prevent the deaths of others?

RW hates it when you speak logically on one of their networks.

[Cha]

63. Yeah, well you were wrong.. and your nastiness

was unwarranted.

[1StrongBlackMan]

49. I'm pretty certain ...

you'll never have to worry about living with yourself ... because I doubt you will ever have the courage to step out and up.

It's so much easier to post your fire on anonymous message boards.

[freshwest]

61. Indeed. Was just scanning some files and found this one today:

Heaven, when it's about to place a great responsibility on a man, always first tests his resolution.

Only when he is frustrated in his mind and in his deliberations can he stand up anew.

Only when his intentions become visible on his countenance and audible in his voice can he be understood by others.

Only then do we realize that anxiety and distress lead to life and that ease and comfort end in death.

~ Confucius

I don't take that quote as describing something too lofty, but it fits. It requires mastering frustration and standing true to your ideas to face unrelenting, unfair odds.

One who has had to keep their cool when being shouted down, and find the words to work around the lies, is strong. But will be called weak by those who proclaim they have found ease and comfort with all they do and not lived through it.

Life is not meant to be lived in B&W, up and down or even win or lose in all cases. There's a lot more to learn and give than that. JMHO.

[kentuck]

19. You did well Steven...

I think we might make the point that the top Republicans on the Intelligence Committee knew this was not our embassy - it was part of a CIA compound. They knew this was an operation that went bad. Why would they try to make political hay out of it?

I think you made some excellent points in comparing this Benghazi tragedy with the Republicans attitudes toward Bill Clinton when he was President. They accused him of putting too much effort into catching Osama Bin Laden. They hindered his efforts at every opportunity.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

50. The whole thing about Benghazi IMHO

was about the Republicans finally finding SOMETHING that they could attack President Obama's foreign policy credentials on in advance of the 2012 election, as well as tar Hillary with in advance of her (potential) run in 2016. It also ultimately helped them tear down Susan Rice's chances to become SOS to succeed Hillary. I'm pretty sure at least some of them also hoped that they would uncover some kind of major criminal negligence and/or wrongdoing on Obama and/or Hillary's part that would bring them down but, of course, they have never been able to find anything.

Given what happened on 9/11/01 (which Bush/Cheney had at least some advance warning of prior) and the number of fatal US embassy attacks during the Bush (mis-)Administration, the hypocrisy of the right-wing/Republican attacks on President Obama over 4 deaths in Benghazi, as well as the intense scrutiny has been extraordinarily breathtaking IMHO.

[William769]

23. Don't sweat it Steve. Theres been something in the water the past couple of days on DU.

Or...

[stevenleser]

45. Thanks Bill!

[sheshe2]

54. I think it's blood and the sharks are circling! nt

[steve2470]

32. Good job. It's not a fair fight at all, they always rig the game on Faux and on talk radio

You did well to get the points out you did. I'm glad people like you go to Faux to educate them.

[freshwest]

35. It's so stacked there against Democrats. Glad for the radio show without those jerks.

[freshwest]

33. I can barely watch these. I prefer your radio show sans the Dittoheads! Your patience is incredible.

[Thinkingabout]

41. Seems some have a big problem with facts, in fact they write what they want to hear. I appreciate

your post, keep it up.

[sheshe2]

57. So many hides...

So much crap thrown at you.

Thanks so much for braving the lions den for us.

If you can educate just one person with your appearance, then you have done what you set out to do.

Thank you Steven!

[DevonRex]

66. LOL!!! You put Laura on the terrorist's side!! I loved that.

It really pissed her off, too, once it finally dawned on her. I could tell about 30 seconds later. Her voice changed. And she got snarkier. After that she tried not to let you finish a sentence because she was scared you would do it again.

People need to watch that part again. You shook her, baby!!

[stevenleser]

70. Lots of Repugs on Twitter got it too and it likewise made them very angry.

My feeling is, they (Repugs) can't escape the hypocrisy of not supporting Obama's attempt to bring these folks to justice. They just got finished wrapping themselves in the flag during *'s time in office, suggesting we should support him in his fight against terrorism no matter what, and now they are trying to make it difficult for Obama from going after the folks we think killed these Americans in Benghazi.

That contradiction and hypocrisy is something they need to own.

[Scuba]

68. "Vs."?

[stevenleser]

69. I understand that someone above who I have on ignore alleged I get paid by Fox. I do not.

I am a guest, not a Fox employee. Just to set the record straight. If that information is important to you one way or the other, there you are.