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Hat tip: Jalopnik
Science Has No Clue How Bicycles Really Work
http://jalopnik.com/science-has-no-clue-how-bicycles-really-work-1040770947
That sends readers here:
We still dont really know how bicycles work
http://www.newstatesman.com/2013/07/mysteries-bicycle
Forget mysterious dark matter and the inexplicable accelerating expansion of the universe; the bicycle represents a far more embarrassing hole in the accomplishments of physics.
By Michael Brooks Published 06 August 2013 11:21
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It is rare that most people appreciate the bicycle, but it is quite an extraordinary machine. Push a riderless bike, letting it roll freely at high enough speeds, and it can withstand pushes from the side it will wobble a little, but quickly recover. In the conventional analysis, that is because the gyroscopic force of the front wheel, its mass and the spontaneous turn of the handlebars all act together to keep the bicycle rolling forwards. This has something to do with the gyroscopic effect, the force that keeps a spinning top upright. You can feel this by removing a wheel from your pushbike and spinning it while you hold the axle spindles. If you try to change the orientation of the wheel, youll feel it push back against you.
The first mathematical analysis of bicycles suggested that this is also what keeps a moving bike on its wheels. But although the equations were written down in 1910, physicists always had nagging doubts about whether this was the whole story.
The most definitive analysis came exactly a century later. It involved an experimental bicycle that had all its gyroscopic effects cancelled out by a system of counter-rotating wheels. The effort of building such a strange contraption was worth it: the resulting paper was published the prestigious journal Science.
The publication plunged bicycle dynamics back into chaos. It turns out that taking into account the angles of the headset and the forks, the distribution of weight and the handlebar turn, the gyroscopic effects are not enough to keep a bike upright after all. What does? We simply dont know. Forget mysterious dark matter and the inexplicable accelerating expansion of the universe; the bicycle represents a far more embarrassing hole in the accomplishments of physics.
The research was done by mechanical engineers. Every mechanical engineer I know is into motorcycles, bicycles, or firearms. The article is two years old, so the issue can't be that big a quandary.
A Bicycle Can Be Self-Stable Without Gyroscopic or Caster Effects
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/332/6027/339
Science 15 April 2011:
Vol. 332 no. 6027 pp. 339-342
DOI: 10.1126/science.1201959
A Bicycle Can Be Self-Stable Without Gyroscopic or Caster Effects
J. D. G. Kooijman 1, J. P. Meijaard 2, Jim M. Papadopoulos 3, Andy Ruina 4,* A. L. Schwab 1
Author Affiliations
1 Department of Mechanical Engineering, Delft University of Technology, Delft 2628 CD, Netherlands.
2 Department of Engineering Technology, University of Twente, Enschede 7500 AE, Netherlands.
3 Department of Engineering and Technology, University of WisconsinStout, Menomonie, WI 54751, USA.
4 Department of Mechanical Engineering, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 14853, USA.
*To whom correspondence should be addressed. E-mail: ruina@cornell.edu.
Abstract
A riderless bicycle can automatically steer itself so as to recover from falls. The common view is that this self-steering is caused by gyroscopic precession of the front wheel, or by the wheel contact trailing like a caster behind the steer axis. We show that neither effect is necessary for self-stability. Using linearized stability calculations as a guide, we built a bicycle with extra counter-rotating wheels (canceling the wheel spin angular momentum) and with its front-wheel ground-contact forward of the steer axis (making the trailing distance negative). When laterally disturbed from rolling straight, this bicycle automatically recovers to upright travel. Our results show that various design variables, like the front mass location and the steer axis tilt, contribute to stability in complex interacting ways.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)kentauros
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Iggo
(47,564 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)nt.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)TalkingDog
(9,001 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)... of the existence of [font size=3]"The Invisible Hand of the Marketplace".[/font]
Clearly, the only things keeping bicycles upright IS the Invisible Hand
reaching down from heaven and holding up bicycles to stabilize the Bicycle market.
ALL HAIL The Invisible Hand!!!
Lex
(34,108 posts)cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)If the main weight of the bike has momentum in a certain direction then the angle of least resistance for the front wheel would be the angle most in line with the direction of the rest of the bike. (any deviation from that increases the friction on the front tire and the front axle.)
The gyroscopic effect is itself a path of least resistance effect in that it takes force to deviate the mass of the wheels, but there are also mechanical effects. The rubber of the tire resists dragging scross the pavement and the front axle doesn't "want" to be turned.
When coasting with hands off the handle-bars the direction of the front wheel trembles in a self-correcting way.
So that would be my guess for the "extra" non-gyroscopic stability.
(At some point the angle of the front wheel drifts enough that the path of least resistance becomes jack-knifing and you fall over, so it's just a matter of time, but those tiny self-corrections add to the time before that actastrophe, which is what the articles is about. Bijes don't fall over quite as fast as merely the gyroscopic effect would predict)
Baitball Blogger
(46,756 posts)I need a visual of the counter-rotating wheels.
Blue Owl
(50,489 posts)n/t
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dickthegrouch
(3,183 posts)House of Roberts
(5,180 posts)your center of gravity is much higher now than when you were young. I weigh about 70 pounds more and most of it is from waist to shoulders.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)You would simply have 2 gyroscopes on the same axis of rotation, without it mattering which way they rotated, just that they were rotating gyroscopes
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)There is no net angular momentum in a system of equal counter rotating gyroscopes hence no net gyroscopic force.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)When they do it in helicopters, it's quite stable, although on a different axis.
(note: I'm not a mechanical engineer)
Progressive dog
(6,918 posts)Dual gyroscopes do not cancel--they would double the gyroscopic force.
Eddie Haskell
(1,628 posts)Something doesn't add up.
MineralMan
(146,325 posts)tends to resist any change in the plane aligned with its rotation. That's why, on a motorcycle, you use counter-steering to turn and lean the motorcycle.
Momentum. The wheel haz it, in the plane of rotation.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,355 posts)so just claiming 'nonsense' gets you nowhere.
MineralMan
(146,325 posts)Rotating in opposite directions are still rotating in the same plane, and would add to the stability against tipping, although they might counteract the effect of countersteering. Not everything on the Internet is correct.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,355 posts)and if it's in the opposite direction, then it will not add to the stability. This is not just 'on the Internet'; this was in Science.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Bicycles are stable at five or six mph easily, far too slow for gyro forces to provide the entire impetus for self correction.
Center of gravity is important in two wheeled vehicle stability for instance, too low and the bike is too twitchy, get high and it becomes sluggish. Recumbents often have a low CG and are difficult to take off and ride at slow speed because they are twitchy then. Stability improves with speed.
Countersteering works mostly by actually moving the contact patch of the tires out from under the CG which creates a lean and then the bike starts turning, the higher the CG the more sluggish this reaction is because the further the tire contact patches have to move laterally to establish a given lean angle. It's like balancing a broomstick on your fingertip, it's doable at least for a bit. Next try balancing a pencil the same way, not doable for normal mortals.
Bike dynamics is a complicated subject.
Throckmorton
(3,579 posts)and by the invisible force of his noodley appendages holds them into balance,
Ramen
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)
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Jenoch
(7,720 posts)I am not a physicist, however the answer to what keeps a bicycle upright when it is being operated is Angular Velocity and Linear Momentum. I don't care why a riderless bicycle does not remain upright.
IDemo
(16,926 posts)Having learned about countersteering over 30 years ago, any motorcyclist who doesn't consciously practice this needs to. Simply, to initiate a left turn, pressure is applied to the handlebars as if turning right. The effect has been argued by the experts as it is here; does the bike lean over due to gyro deflection, or because of tire patch displacement relative to the direction of travel, or a combination?
Link Speed
(650 posts)I have a car that tops 200MPH, and I know exactly how it works.
I have a '66 Vespa with a sidecar that is the most treacherous vehicle I have ever owned, but I know how it works and why it is so difficult to operate. Also, a 1910 Indian motorcycle, a '53 Black Lightning Vincent and a '47 Harley.
None of them are mysteries to me.
But when I got on that bicycle a few weeks ago, my first thought was, "Just how in the shit does this thing work?". It bugged me so much that I pushed it back to the guy who offered to let me ride it. The bike was all chrome with ultra-cool wheels.
Thanks for the post. I didn't want to tell anyone what I thought about that ride until now.
napoleon_in_rags
(3,991 posts)The front wheel is balanced so that it turns in the way the bike is leaning, simply because gravity. The majority of weight is in front of the fork. When it does this centrifugal force caused by the turn makes it go back upright, a small amount of frictio against turning keeps it on the strait path.
reusrename
(1,716 posts)Fork bend angle is critical, and it isn't even mentioned in most of the literature.
I don't understand how one could perform this detailed an analysis and not be at least curious about how far the frame raises and lowers when the front wheel is steered.
How can they leave that quantity out of their data?