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kpete

(71,991 posts)
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 10:24 AM Feb 2012

Democratic women seek a state ban on VASECTOMIES for men

Democratic women seek a state ban on vasectomies for men

House Democrats have scheduled a 3 p.m. Wednesday hearing at the state Capitol, to propose a bill that would ban Georgia males from seeking vasectomies. From the press release:

Thousands of children are deprived of birth in this state every year because of the lack of state regulation over vasectomies,” said Rep. Yasmin Neal, author of the bill. “It is patently unfair that men can avoid unwanted fatherhood by presuming that their judgment over such matters is more valid than the judgment of the General Assembly, while women’s ability to decide is constantly up for debate throughout the United States.”

House Minority Leader Stacey Abrams added, “The Republican attack on women’s reproductive rights is unconscionable. What is more deplorable is the hypocrisy of HB 954’s author. If we follow his logic, we believe it is the obligation of this General Assembly to assert an equally invasive state interest in the reproductive habits of men and substitute the will of the government over the will of adult men.”


the rest:
http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2012/02/21/democratic-women-seek-a-state-ban-on-vasectomies-for-men/
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Democratic women seek a state ban on VASECTOMIES for men (Original Post) kpete Feb 2012 OP
Any man who wants to buy a condom should have to bend over and cough. aquart Feb 2012 #1
The problem with both of these issues - abortions = vasectomies (even in jest) TalkingDog Feb 2012 #2
In the Spirit of Shared Responsibility fredamae Feb 2012 #3
so true La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #4
+google roguevalley Feb 2012 #7
The trouble is, Santorum and many other extremists would agree with this muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #5
Sure they would. But child support is 18 years. aquart Feb 2012 #9
And a good cigar is a smoke muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #10
I had lector Feb 2012 #6
and that is why you are a good man, lector. all good men are exempt from roguevalley Feb 2012 #8
I don't like this idea loyalsister Feb 2012 #11
I think you missed the point. JoePhilly Feb 2012 #17
I think I didn't loyalsister Feb 2012 #22
I've never met one. JoePhilly Feb 2012 #23
Unfortunately I have loyalsister Feb 2012 #24
Clever Progression Feb 2012 #12
"Recreational Sex" vankuria Feb 2012 #19
Shouldn't the issue be whether health insurance *covers* vasectomies? thesquanderer Feb 2012 #13
Yes, because two wrongs make a right. BlueIris Feb 2012 #14
Shouldn't there be a prohibition on men wearing tight fitting clothes LiberalFighter Feb 2012 #15
I'd rather that all registered-Republican males HAVE to get vasectomies! WinkyDink Feb 2012 #16
That is the most brilliant thing they could do madokie Feb 2012 #18
Let them keep right on talking vankuria Feb 2012 #20
Going to, hell it already is :-) madokie Feb 2012 #21
Viagra should not be covered by insurance either Autumn Feb 2012 #25

aquart

(69,014 posts)
1. Any man who wants to buy a condom should have to bend over and cough.
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 10:26 AM
Feb 2012

I'm not in a particularly generous mood.

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
2. The problem with both of these issues - abortions = vasectomies (even in jest)
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 10:41 AM
Feb 2012

is that ultimately the burden is literally carried by the woman. She's the only one who can get pregnant and be forced to carry a child.

Requiring paternity be established and subsequent mandatory child support is the only equitable bill that is possible. If there is to be responsibility and forced support of a child, then both parties should bear equal responsibility.

Not allowing vasectomies... no big deal for most guys of a certain age.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
3. In the Spirit of Shared Responsibility
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 10:54 AM
Feb 2012

I reverse the logic regarding Vasectomies-Statutorily Mandate them if a Sperm Donor has Non Consensually caused an Unplanned Pregnancy.
This act would Prevent future Irresponsible Sperm Emissionss that result in unwanted/unplanned pregnancies.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,316 posts)
5. The trouble is, Santorum and many other extremists would agree with this
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 12:21 PM
Feb 2012

While the Republicans have shown breath-taking disregard for women with things like the 'rape by probe' law, it's not all about misogyny; they also want to get rid of any form of contraception, including vasectomies.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,316 posts)
10. And a good cigar is a smoke
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 05:20 PM
Feb 2012

Sorry, what has "child support is 18 years" got to do with the Republican attempts to get rid of contraception?

If your theory (and I'm having to make this up as I go along) is that Republicans are really legislating because the men are afraid they'd have to pay child support from their extramarital affairs, then they would want female contraception, and abortion, to be easily available as well, so they could tell their mistresses to take care of it.

lector

(95 posts)
6. I had
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 12:21 PM
Feb 2012

A Vasectomy so my wife would not have to take birth control pills. There is a a lot of Brest cancer in her family and we decided she was much safer if she didn't have to take the pill. Considering we had 2 girls already and did not want any more children it was a no brainer for me.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
11. I don't like this idea
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 05:30 PM
Feb 2012

I think a lot of men would love it, though. I have had friends who begged because they wanted to stop using BC pills but the guys refused leaving the women with the most risk and responsibility. Making it less or unavailable justifies that situation.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
17. I think you missed the point.
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 09:22 AM
Feb 2012

The intent of this isn't to actually pass such legislation.

Its simply to demonstrate how ridiculous the GOP's efforts to restrict a woman's access to reproductive services are.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
22. I think I didn't
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 04:50 PM
Feb 2012

I think there are enough men who wish the procedure had never been invented that making it cost prohibitive would be welcome.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
23. I've never met one.
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 05:11 PM
Feb 2012

I have multiple male friends who were HAPPY to have that procedure covered by their insurance ... and if my wife did not have her tubes tied during her third C-section birth, I'd have had one 10 years ago.

The idea that men want women on the pill so they don't have to get snipped makes zero sense.

And again ... the legislation in question is not serious legislation, it simply points out the fact that a bunch of men are trying to control the productive options that are available to women. And so women should be able to do the same.

Progression

(30 posts)
12. Clever
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 05:51 PM
Feb 2012

This is a clever way to bring attention to the contraceptives and abortion issue. I never really thought about vasectomies and contraceptives this closely together. Both do have the potential to deny child birth so I'm surprised the GOP are only attacking contraceptives.

vankuria

(904 posts)
19. "Recreational Sex"
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 10:06 AM
Feb 2012

This is part of the issue, if you use birth control pills, get a vasectomy, etc., you are participating in recreational sex and according to the powers that be, sex is only for procreation purposes.

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
13. Shouldn't the issue be whether health insurance *covers* vasectomies?
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 08:50 AM
Feb 2012

The issue hasn't been about making contraception illegal, but about whether government-required health insurance should have to cover it. I haven't heard questions raised about how these plans deal with vasectomies. That's a much better analogy than whether they cover viagra.

BlueIris

(29,135 posts)
14. Yes, because two wrongs make a right.
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 09:01 AM
Feb 2012

I understand their "point," of course, but this has the highly disturbing potential to make the situation worse, for obvious reasons.

LiberalFighter

(50,928 posts)
15. Shouldn't there be a prohibition on men wearing tight fitting clothes
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 09:15 AM
Feb 2012

that could cause the sperm to be less potent?

How about a ban on sports that might result in injury to the scrotum? Probably should ban recess in grade school too as there are plenty of incidents where boys are kicked in the groin by others either intentionally or not.

How about banning stupid skateboard tricks down metal hand rails when so many of them slam themselves in between their legs?

Or how about banning little kids because they throw balls at their daddies in their groin? Don't Republicans know that those activities can damage the potential for men to procreate?

If they are going to screw around with women's reproductive rights then they should do the same for men.

Some states have constitutions that prohibit favoring one class of citizens over another. That should be considered when challenging these stupid religious laws.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
18. That is the most brilliant thing they could do
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 09:28 AM
Feb 2012

As a male myself why am I afforded these rights without question but yet some want to do an invasive proceedure on the girls. I guess if you ain't got it swinging you must be a liar so we're going to check and make sure you're however along in your pregnancy as you say you are. The hypocrisy is thick on this and I'm totally surprised the pukes pulled this one out to debate. I guess one could surmise from this that they don't have anything else in their hat of tricks. In that case it can be seen as good.

vankuria

(904 posts)
20. Let them keep right on talking
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 10:12 AM
Feb 2012

they're digging themselves in so deep, they'll never live this down. Americans are not going to give up sex, no how, no way and that is a fact. This is a losing battle for them and the GOP "powers that be" are shitting their pants over this one! The coming election season is really going to be fun!

madokie

(51,076 posts)
21. Going to, hell it already is :-)
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 10:35 AM
Feb 2012

I don't know who coined "the clown car" but whoever it was was right on.

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