Santorum: There's no such thing as a liberal Christian

[CanonRay]

When asked if he believed Obama is a "sincere liberal Christian," the former Pennsylvania senator said he didn't believe that sort of ideology exists, and that Obama's church, United Church of Christ in Chicago, had "abandoned Christendom" and used a non-literal interpretation of the Bible.

"I don't think there is such a thing," he said of Obama as a liberal Christian. "To take what is plainly written and say that 'I don't agree with that, therefore I don't have to pay attention to it,' means you're not what you say you are. You're a liberal something, but you're not a Christian."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/21/rick-santorum-obama-christianity_n_1291645.html

[Justice wanted]

1. What a complete A$$! The Jesus of his bible is the model for a "Liberal" Christian.

But then again... certain people have distorted the jesus of the bible.

[NewJeffCT]

37. In Santorum's world

The Jesus of the Bible helped the poor by telling them to "Suck it up & pull yourselves up by your own fucking bootstraps you dirty commie!"

[Vincardog]

179. I will pay Icky Ricky $10,000,000 if he can show me any original quote (in English) by Jesus. What

I like about the original religious teachers is that they were intelligent people.
Intelligent people realize words have different meanings depending on the way they are used.
Does Icky Ricky really think there is door to heaven with dogs guarding it?

[a2liberal]

73. Republican Jesus

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Republican_Jesus

[roguevalley]

83. that is why I love Jesus, he was a lib.

[Humanist_Activist]

143. A pro-slavery lib, that's new. n/t

[roguevalley]

182. wow. you are a piece of work. Paul wrote the story of the Christ. I

love the man himself.

[Humanist_Activist]

185. Really? He wrote Luke? I was not aware of that.

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

[rtracey]

173. words out of my mouth

You are so correct. The party that thinks they are more into Jesus is far from it. No compassion for the poor, for all mankind, not just the rich white job killers. Jesus was so liberal, he defines the term. Santorum is far from christian. He just assumes he is, but he has very little compassion for people of all race and creed. You are not christian if you just follow selected aspects of the religion. Thats what Santorum does, he picks what he thinks will help him, and disregards the rest (imo).

[jberryhill]

2. Keep talking, Rick

[Bruce Wayne]

3. Oh, Rick. You so crazy!

Jesus was a liberal. His Dad seems like a neocon sometimes, what with all that flooding & whatnot. But Mr. Camel through the eye of a needle? Practically a Green pinko.

[spanone]

4. fuck you rick sanctimonious

[dana_b]

129. you took the words right out of my mouth n/t

[lunatica]

5. Other than Jesus that is...

[Richardo]

16. Yeah, but Jesus was Jewish so he doesn't count.

[malaise]

6. One more of those my way or the highway

zealots.

STFU Santorum - go join the priesthood and leave people in peace.

[quinnox]

7. lol, Santorum continues to have delusions of grandeur

I swear this guy thinks he is the second coming secretly, but knows he would sound too crazy if he said it out loud.

Another thing, I bet when he said "Christendom" he said it with a preachers tone of reverence, they always do that when they say Christendom, like its a holy place they know personally.

[tonybgood]

86. I missed the announcement!!!

Evidently, only Rick Santorum is the arbiter of who is a "Christian" and who is not. I didn't realize that the Pope had appointed Mr. Santorum with that honor. I'm just wondering when he's going to start the excommunications!!!

It should be obvious to anyone that Mr. Santorum is not a Christian and does not speak for Christianity, regardless of his comments. If Mr. Santorum is anything, "hypocrite" should be his professed religion.

[livetohike]

8. I can't take it anymore.....

Can't he just STFU?

[HughBeaumont]

18. Nope.

Our corporate-purchased Fourth Estate can have as many right-wing whack-a-doos on as humanly possible until their bullshit becomes the new "normal" and that's perfectly all right, while even a reasonable liberal voice gets not an atom SPECK of air time.

[livetohike]

24. I know

It's only gotten worse since 2008 and it's a hopeless feeling that anyone/anything can change it. Other than turning off the tv.

[October]

160. I've pretty much turned off the TV since that time...

I read a lot, and watch Stewart and Colbert. Otherwise, HBO stuff...

[SammyWinstonJack]

51. Yeah no kidding! I wonder how many people he is turning off?

What a major league ASSHOLE he is!

[livetohike]

66. Hopefully every woman eligible to vote and as many men as possible n/t

[smirkymonkey]

67. I know, my ears have started to bleed.

I REALLY can't take one more ounce of crap from that sanctimonius blowhard.

[livetohike]

76. We have to mute the tv when he is on and my husband

leaves the room, too!

[RDANGELO]

9. Narrow minded and intolerant. n/t

[aquart]

10. Matthew 25:41-46

He's gonna burn, is Rick.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

11. I wish some folks here at DU would realize how asinine THEY sound

when they make their broad-brushed blandishments against good people of faith.

They sound just as absurd and bigoted as this jackass.

[atreides1]

40. Unfortunate!

That the media constantly keeps ignoring those good people of faith...but they do...leaving some with the impression that there are none!

[Humanist_Activist]

78. Actually Santorum sounds just like Liberal Christians condemning conservative Christians...

this has nothing to do with infidels of all stripes, but with all "true" Christians. I find this fight funny as hell.

[roguevalley]

87. condemning false interpretations of the good works of Jesus

isn't the same. THe red words are pretty clear about what Jesus wants us to do. They are so off the mark as to be something else entirely. Its not the same. Given your comment if I am interpreting it right every time a dem condemns a repug its the same. It isn't. Policy is different.

[Bluerthanblue]

96. I agree. Where is the "Christ" in fundementalist Christianity?

He ain't there.

They need to find a different name, or stop ignoring Jesus' teaching.

Most fundementalists are hung up on select OT teachings, and on religious interpretations which support a twisted political agenda.

The republicans are the ones making this about religion- not the Dems. Their words and actions speak louder about where their hearts really lay.

(I'm a former fundy)

[mike_c]

104. as long as you're the one who gets to decide which interpretation is true and which is false....

Let me know when christians get that sorted out-- until then, the rest of us would appreciate it if they'd just fight among themselves, preferably on a deserted island somewhere. Try to keep the noise down, in any event. Then they might want to spend a few hundred or thousand years debating with muslims, and mormons, and all the other ism's.

Because if religious folks can't even agree among themselves which doctrine is least delusional, which fantasy world is least fantastic, or which deity has the coolest super powers, why in the FUCK do they try so hard to press their individual schisms of "truth" on everyone else? Why can't they simply argue with one another-- quietly-- until they get past the "everyone but me is wrong" stage?

[Humanist_Activist]

106. Really? I found Jesus' words and actions to be contradictory, in many cases immoral...

and/or insane. Frankly, both sides have no ownership over this character, for neither side really follows him, at least according to their own standards.

[cleanhippie]

107. +1

[cleanhippie]

109. Says you, yet you engage in the same behavior you accuse them of doing.

Its YOUR interpretation vs. theirs. Who is right, and who is wrong? You both use the exact same arguments to disprove the other.

[roguevalley]

112. ah, so all sides are equivalent? How quaint.

[cleanhippie]

113. They are in their argument about who is interpreting the bible correctly.

I too, think its quaint.

[sabrina 1]

119. I haven't seen that. I have seen Christians condemn people claiming to be followers of Christ

who preach hatred and bigotry and condemn the poor. There is no way anyone who is an actual follower of Christ, could possibly preach such anti-Christian policies.

[Humanist_Activist]

123. What makes them anti-Christian?

I'd love to get into a Bible quote war, it would be so much fun. Oh, and using "Because its different, that's why" is NOT a defense, its something an 8 year old would say.

[sabrina 1]

127. It's not hard. Are you familiar with the teachings of Christ?

Does he advocate bigotry anywhere eg? What was the one thing that made him angry during his lifetime? And what did he say about the rich? Did advocate for a system where money is 'God'? Was he for 'feeding the poor' or did he tell them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps?

Jesus was a Liberal and the same fake Christians who hate Liberal policies today, would hate him were he to appear on the scene right now.

[Humanist_Activist]

130. I was raised a Christian, so yes, and I found them muddled, contradictory...

and in many cases immoral. I couldn't derive 21st century politics from the ravings of a 1st century Jew, and neither can you, indeed, all this proves is that Jesus is nothing more than a reflection of current morality and politics, he's a one size fits all deity.

[sabrina 1]

140. Really? I had a completely different experience, and credit them with the fact that I could never,

ever have been a part of the rightwing. It was my background in Christianity that made me a Liberal.

[Humanist_Activist]

141. I doubt it, it probably was your compassion and integrity that made you a liberal...

most people don't derive their morality from their religion, at best the religion is neutral, at worse, negative. I'm an extremely leftist humanist partially because of science and critical thinking, I abandoned Catholicism and supernatural thinking because it makes no sense.

[sabrina 1]

145. I don't credit religion with who I am, but it did influence me at an early age.

It made me very conscious of those less fortunate, eg, and the obligation we have to try to help them if we have more. I have been surprised by other people's experiences and can only say that maybe it was where I grew up and of course, my parents who emphasized the need to view everyone as 'Jesus would' regardless of their position in life, their ethnicity etc. Because 'God made all of us and he loves all of us'. As a child, that was a good message to receive everywhere, rather than the message delivered by what passes for Christianity on the right, to their children.

I just assumed everyone felt the same way. I am not part of organized religion as a grown up, but I do not regret the lessons learned from my childhood.

[Humanist_Activist]

146. "I just assumed everyone felt the same way." See, this is why the majority can NEVER tell a...

minority how it should feel, too many damned assumptions, all of them from a position of privilege.

[sabrina 1]

152. Privilege? How do you come to that conclusion? I was not 'privileged' other than having a good

family, but if you mean 'money privileged' we were far from that.

[Humanist_Activist]

153. You never heard of majority privilege, like white privilege, or straight privilege, or...

Christian privilege. That's the type of privilege I'm talking about, it makes you blind to the experiences of others.

[sabrina 1]

156. You are making huge assumptions here. Lol, sorry, but you could not be more wrong.

I always loved this about the internet, how people you never met before, somehow know all about you. It freaked me out when I first encountered it, but now, it just amuses me.

How about maybe someone IS the 'other'? Oh well, I do not want to upset your pre-conceived ideas, they are in their own way, a form of religion.

[Humanist_Activist]

158. I hate when people misuse words, so really, explain how my so called ideas are a form of religion...

oh, and tell me how my assumption is wrong?

Are you a Christian?

[Humanist_Activist]

148. Also, that was your family influencing you, not the religion itself...

they just couched it in religious terms. See I had a similar experience, then, when I was old enough, I sat my ass down and actually read the Bible, and I realized that my parent's Jesus, and the Jesus of the Bible, weren't the same person at all. One of many doubts that crept up on me over the years, and lead to me being an atheist today.

[PowerToThePeople]

159. I agree with Sabrina

and think that you are wrong about her.

I do not consider myself christian (have not attended a church since early gradeschool, over 3 decades ago) I did check out UU and liked it, but my schedule is too busy for such things.

I was privileged as a child as well, in that all the people I had exposure to treated each other with respect and kindness. I grew up thinking people were basically nice and good. Similar to what I take Sabrina to be stating above.

I have read most all major religious works (out of curiosity) and a fair bit of philosophy. Read the "bible" when I was younger and Jesus' "liberal" stances just seemed the correct way to treat another human being.

I think you should re-read her posts, you may see what she says in a different light.

[sabrina 1]

161. Thank you, you are correct. I am wondering why there is anything wrong with thinking people

were basically nice and good. I guess that is what I experienced, so maybe that is 'privilege' and from what I've learned since, yes, I know it was not everyone's experience. But that doesn't make it a bad thing, nor does it mean that you or I cannot understand the plight of others who had different experiences. In fact I think it makes it easier for us in some ways.

Anyhow, just wanted to say that you did understand correctly what I was saying and probably said it better

[Humanist_Activist]

166. I'm talking about privilege in society, as in not facing discrimination, shunning or...

other negative social consequences due to your religion or religious beliefs(or lack thereof). No more, no less. The majority generally can't imagine what its like to be in such a position, so can't emphasize with it.

Look, if you want to worship a Disney version of Jesus, that's fine, but at least admit its a Disney version.

[Bluerthanblue]

181. i'm curious what contradictions and

immoral things you mean. Can you elaborate?

[Humanist_Activist]

183. Love your enemies(but condemn them to hell), follow the old law(I fulfilled it)...

I came to bring peace and war. Slaves should obey masters, Mindcrime is as bad as actual acts, etc.

These are absurdities and/or atrocious when thought out. I don't see why anyone thinks Jesus was a good decent person by today's standards when he was only slightly better than contemporaries in his own time.

[WinkyDink]

139. HARDLY. You've not heard of the Berrigan Brothers? THEY were Liberal Christians.

[Humanist_Activist]

142. And?

There are liberal Christians, there are Conservative Christians, there are Christians who go to war, and others who press for peace. All that means is that Christians come from all walks of life and have a wide variance when it comes to morality and politics.

[roguevalley]

85. what you said, Nuclear Unicorn

[Union Scribe]

168. Pretty much.

And they aren't too shy about identifying themselves, are they? They come running any time religion is brought up, not even defending fellow liberals against some sack of crap like little Ricky.

[no_hypocrisy]

12. That must be news to Jesus

[WI_DEM]

13. Ok, make this jackass the nominee and play that clip and he will outrage millions.

[LeftinOH]

14. The United Church of Christ is generally pretty liberal...

I know, because I go to one. FWIW, there's no such thing as a sane Republican, Ricky.

[FailureToCommunicate]

100. You're correct, in fact many consider them 'too darn' liberal! Here are

some of UCC's "firsts":

http://www.ucc.org/god-is-still-speaking/firsts/ucc-firsts.html

As usual, Rick Santorum is full of eh, well, you know.

[Proud Public Servant]

15. "used a non-literal interpretation of the Bible"?!?! THAT'S HIS BEEF?

Jesus Horatio Christ, you know who else uses a "used a non-literal interpretation of the Bible"? In fact, you know which religion is basically built upon treating the Bible as a non-literal text? YOUR FREAKING CATHOLIC CHURCH! That's why they have a Pope, an entire order (the Jesuits) that encourage (and do a fine job of building) critical reasoning skills, and a tradition of sanctifying theologians (Thomas Aquainis, anyone?). W-T-F, FrothyMix?

[FSogol]

17. Question 1 for the Obama/Santorum Debate:

Q. Mr Santorum, How old is the Earth?
Q2. So the dinosaurs, mermaids, and Unicorns are animals that didn't get on Noah's Ark?
Q3. Can't mermaids swim? Why would they drown?

[deutsey]

33. Jesus himself got into lots of trouble with the Santorums of his day

for his non-literal interpretation of scripture.

[HangOnKids]

42. I Think Jesus Would Use Your Sig Line When Speaking To Ricky!

[deutsey]

118. Ha! I think he would too.

[JDPriestly]

52. Thank you. The Pope is not mentioned in the Bible.

In fact, in Timothy, the Bible says that bishops should be married and should have shown themselves to have succeeded in marriage and fatherhood.

A Catholic who talks about the literal interpretation of the Bible is pandering to fundamentalist Protestants. What a phony. He claims to be such a religious guy but doesn't even know what religion he belongs to.

[RainDog]

147. yeah. he's a total jackass n/t

[newspeak]

56. geez, there's parts of the bible I'm glad people don't take literally

I'm not going to sacrifice an animal because the smell of burnt flesh is pleasing to the lord. I wonder about their god. Or, I'm not going to go murder my neighbor because he's not observing the sabbath. And, I think today, if you murder your children for disobeying you, you'd go to jail.

Take out the saul of tarsus writings (a roman who murdered jews) and read what jesus allegedly said. I'd say he was a liberal, but rome was not. and, I think the christian movement (that may have had buddhist influence) was altered by roman influence.

[hifiguy]

57. Even this longtime atheist knows that the RCC

does not interpret their book literally. Hell, the Vatican even has its own observatory and astronomer.

[roguevalley]

88. its his side of the pew that is rewriting the bible to clip liberalism not us

[dmallind]

19. Funny, most of DU's Christians try to say there's no other kind

If only they were a way to determine which of these competing No True Scotsmen was legit......

[Goblinmonger]

49. + a bazillion n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

54. heh.

[2ndAmForComputers]

70. The rational answer is, of course, "none." They're all Christians.

Good luck trying to make either of them accept the fact.

[dawg]

77. But there is a way to tell. It's easy.

All you really have to do is to read the teachings of Jesus Christ and determine which group agrees with those teachings. Who loves their enemy? Who turns the other cheek? Who agrees that it would be easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven? Who agrees with "Judge not, lest ye be judged yourselves"?

The words are all there in the Bible - highlighted in red. All anyone has to do is to read them.

[Humanist_Activist]

80. You also have to hate your families, abandon them, condemn non-believers to everlasting...

fire, and numerous other things that the Conservatives do quite a bit, oh, and both sides judge, in fact, everyone does, I just don't pretend that a supernatural peeping tom told me not to.

[dawg]

81. Jesus gave two commandments.

Love God with all your heart.
Love your neighbor as you love yourself.

Everything else flows from that.

Jesus used some very vivid language in his sermons. He did so in order to demonstrate the importance of a person's relationship with God. If your friends or your family or your property comes in the way of that relationship, you are to choose God instead. No one believes Jesus taught people to hate their families - not the conservatives, not the liberals, not the athiests. (Jesus also said to pluck your eyes out of your head if they cause you to sin. No one takes that literally, either).

I believe, and I have heard President Obama echo this thought as well, that one of the central teachings of the Bible stems from Cain's question to God, "Am I my brother's keeper?" Cain was responding to God's question of "Where is Abel?". God knew that Cain had killed him in a fit of jealousy.

But the answer is "Yes". We are our brothers' keepers. That is what we are supposed to be. That is the sum of all the teachings of Christ as well as much of the teachings of the Old Testament prophets.

Oh, and Jesus wasn't a peeping Tom, but he was really good friends with one.

[Humanist_Activist]

84. "If your friends or your family or your property comes in the way of that relationship, you are..."

"to choose God instead."

And this is the biggest reason why religion in general is evil, to put God before your own family is just atrocious and sick, no other way to describe it, it leads to parents killing and/or abandoning their children. How many have suffered from this doctrine alone?

[dawg]

91. Try to think about this concept in non-theist terms.

I would never abandon or mistreat my friends or family members. But if they wanted me to do something I believed to be morally wrong, I would choose my principles over their desires. (Unless there was a really compelling reason to do otherwise.)

If your brother murdered someone in cold blood - real serial killer type stuff - would you cover for him? If not, you are choosing your morality over your family. The concept is the same.

There would have been many families who would have disowned their children for following a radical teacher like Jesus Christ. Jesus obviously believed, however, that his teachings were the truth. So it would have been wrong for believers to turn their backs on that truth in order to keep good relations with their families.

[Humanist_Activist]

102. No it isn't, for one, non-belief harms no one, basically you are saying...

that no matter how crazy the beliefs are, you are justified in disowning your kids for being gay, for example, or non-christian, because Christianity is the "Truth". Let me just say your post is an example of the poison that religion inserts into people's minds

[boppers]

165. I was at a loss for words on how to respond.

If mythical Jesus existed today, he's be hanging out in strip clubs, not churches.

Matthew 6.

[dawg]

176. Non-belief harms no one. Belief harms no one. Ultimately it is the choices we make.

I replied to your post in order to defend the teachings of Christ, not all of the hateful things that have been done by his fan club since those times.

Jesus himself assosicated with prostitutes, traitors, and sinners of all stripes. That is one of the things the religious leaders of his day condemned him for.

When they were going to stone a woman for adultery, Jesus stopped them.

Jesus prayed for the very people who had just nailed him to the cross.

Jesus was all about loving people and forgiving them. His words about leaving family and property pertained to the very real fact that his teachings were revolutionary and that many people would be rejected by society for following them.

In those days, it was the Christians who were going to be disowned, persecuted, and maybe even killed, unless of course they were willing to renounce their newfound faith. Jesus taught that you should not give in to such pressure. That is the meaning of putting God first.

[Humanist_Activist]

184. Sounds like you are stretching things quite a bit here, and belief can harm others...

that's my problem with religion, not their abstract beliefs about deity, but their beliefs about other people, they have caused unimaginable harm throughout the centuries. Why stick with a superstition that causes this harm, and what is the point of defending a mythological figure like Jesus?

[dawg]

188. I believe Jesus was one of the great thinkers of history.

His teachings have helped make me a better person. They remind me that I have a greater responsibility to others than I would really like to have . While I would feel satisfied just not doing any harm to others, I'm called upon to actively try and help them. If I'm supposed to love other people as much as I love myself, how can I excuse letting them suffer while I spend my money on toys and luxuries?

Lately, I've been reading and watching documentaries about the Buddha. He seems to have been an enlightened man, and I think I could grow as a person from learning more about his teachings as well.

I'm a Christian, but I beileve truth can be found in lots of places. I think non-believers could benefit from an open-minded reading of the words attributied to Jesus in the Gospels, just as I benefit from reading about the great philosophers and teachers of other faiths.

Sadly, many people have been burned so badly, that they have a visceral reaction to anything related to Christ, the Church or the Bible. I can't say that I blame them, but it's sad.

I'm not going to say that the mean Chrisitans aren't real Christians. That isn't up to me to say. Hell, they might be the real ones and I might be a fake! I might be reading this stuff all wrong .

But I found something of value in the teachings of Christ, so naturally I think others might find something of worth as well.

[Humanist_Activist]

189. Its very difficult for me to take you seriously when you say things like that...

Here's some stuff your "Great Thinker" thought about and was written down.

One Small Part, the Injustice Section, from only one Chapter, Matthew:

While insulting the Pharisees and Sadducees, John the Baptist calls an entire generation a "generation of vipers." 3: 7

Those who bear bad fruit will be cut down and burned "with unquenchable fire." 3:10, 12

Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. 5:17

Don't defend yourself in court. 5:40

"If ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."
Fair is fair! 6:15

Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out our eyes. This advice is given immediately after he says that anyone who looks with lust at any women commits adultery. 5:29-30

Jesus says that most people will go to hell. 7:13-14

Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 7:19

"My servant lieth at home sick."
Here was the perfect opportunity for Jesus to condemn slavery. All he'd have to do is say, "OK, I'll heal him. But then you must set your slave free, because slavery is an abomination to God." 8:5-9

"The children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 8:12

Jesus tells a man who had just lost his father: "Let the dead bury the dead." 8:21

Jesus sends some devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the waters below. 8:32

Jesus heals a paralytic man by forgiving his sins. (Paralysis is caused by sinful behavior.) 9:2-6

Jesus tells his disciples to keep away from the Gentiles and Samaritans, and go only to the Israelites. 10:5-6

Cities that neither "receive" the disciples nor "hear" their words will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and Gomorrah. And you know what God supposedly did to those poor folks (see Gen.19:24). 10:14-15

Families will be torn apart because of Jesus (this is one of the few "prophecies" in the Bible that has actually come true). "Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." 10:21

Jesus says that we should fear God who is willing and "able to destroy both soul and body in hell." 10:28

"Whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." 10:33

Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has "come not to send peace, but a sword." 10:34-36

Jesus warns us not to love our parents or children too much. We have to make sure that we always love him (who we don't even know existed) more than our family. 10:37

Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. 11:20-24

"Every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment." 12:36

When Jesus' mother and brothers want to see him, Jesus rudely asks, "Who is my mother? Who are my brothers?" So much for Jesus' family values. 12:47-49

Jesus explains that the reason he speaks in parables is so that no one will understand him, "lest ... they ... should understand ... and should be converted, and I should heal them." 13:10-15

"For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath." Isn't this from the Republican Party platform? 13:12

Jesus will send his angels to gather up "all that offend" and they "shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." 13:41-42, 50

Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: "He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death." (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20: 9, Dt.21:18-21) So, does Jesus think that children who curse their parents should be killed? It sure sounds like it. 15:4-7

Jesus refuses to heal the Canaanite woman's possessed daughter, saying "it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to the dogs." 15:22-26

"Whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it."
If you want to stay alive, you must lose your life (kill yourself?) for Jesus' sake. 16:25

Jesus condemns the whole world, saying "Woe unto the world because of offenses." 18 : 7

Jesus advises his followers to mutilate themselves by cutting off their hands and plucking out their eyes. He says it's better to be "maimed" than to suffer "everlasting fire." 18:8-9

In the parable of the unforgiving servant, the king threatens to enslave a man and his entire family to pay for a debt. This practice, which was common at the time, seems not to have bothered Jesus very much. 18:25

"And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors." 18:34

Rich people don't go to heaven. For as Jesus says, "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 19:23

Abandon your wife and children for Jesus and he'll give you a big reward. 19:29

The parable of the unfair, lying employer
The kingdom of heaven is like a business that hires workers, paying each the same wage (one penny). Some work 12 hours for the penny; others 9, 6, or 3 hours; and others for only one hour. If one of the 12-hour workers complains about it, his boss says, "Hey, didn't you agree to work all day for a penny? What are you complaining about? From this parable, David Barton (and the Republicans) claim that Jesus was against the minimum wage.
But the employer didn't say he'd pay each of the workers a penny; he said he'd pay them "whatsoever is right" (vv.4,7). Is it right for one employee to be paid twelve times as much as another when both are doing the same type of work? 20:1-15

"Jesus ... touched their eyes: and immediately their eyes received sight." 20:34

God is like a rich man who owns a vineyard and rents it to poor farmers. When he sends servants to collect the rent, the tenants beat or kill them. So he sent his son to collect the rent, and they kill him too. Then the owner comes and kills the farmers and rents the vineyard to others. 21:33-41

"Whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder." Whoever falls on "this stone" (Jesus) will be broken, and whomever the stone falls on will be ground into powder. 21:44

In the parable of the marriage feast, the king sends his servants to gather everyone they can find, both bad and good, to come to the wedding feast. One guest didn't have on his wedding garment, so the king tied him up and "cast him into the outer darkness" where "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 22:12-13

Jesus condemns the Jews for being "the children of them which killed the prophets." 23:31

Jesus blames his the Jews (who were then living) for "all the righteous blood" from Abel to Zecharias. 23:35

Jesus had no problem with the idea of drowning everyone on earth in the flood. It'll be just like that when he returns. 24:37

God will come when people least expect him and then he'll "cut them asunder." And "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 24:50-51

"Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents." 25:27

Jesus will give to those who already have and take from those who have nothing. He must've been a Republican. 25:29

The servant who kept and returned his master's talent was cast into the "outer darkness" where there will be "weeping and gnashing of teeth." 25:30

Jesus tells us what he has planned for those that he dislikes. They will be cast into an "everlasting fire." 25:41

Jesus says the damned will be tormented forever. 25:46

Ointment for Jesus' head is more important than helping the poor. 25:6-11

"His blood be on us, and on our children." This verse blames the Jews for the death of Jesus and has been used to justify their persecution for twenty centuries. 27:25

Note that none of this has any relation to being "burned" by Christians and such, I actually had a relatively unremarkable and pleasant experience as a Christian, but when I read the Bible, I realized how evil it was, and how ignorant people who claim to follow it or the God of the Bible are about it. Particularly when they talk like you do.

[dawg]

191. You build an impressive case.

But surely you must realize that I'm familiar with all those scriptures and that I have a totally different interpretation of each and every one.

Now maybe your interpretation is right and mine is wrong. If so, I've got some eyeball plucking I need to go do.

But I am able to get some good from those words. As I said before, they have helped to make me a better man. Your mileage may vary, and maybe you have found a totally different path to inner growth. But don't put a blanket condemnation on something based only on your own interpretation of it. Consider that others may see something there that you don't - that is just the difference in people.

Spiritual matters are like music and poetry. One man's trash is another man's treasure.

It's fine if it's all hateful crap to you. Just try and understand that there are plenty of men and women of good will who see things differently.

[roguevalley]

89. if you follow fanatics that happens. If you follow Jesus you can change the world

[Son of Gob]

108. You said it, man

[Humanist_Activist]

110. Jesus was a fanatic, don't you get that...

He told his followers to leave their families.

He said the end of the world was coming(Kingdom of God comes after), in his apostle's lifetimes.

He told them only he has the keys to heaven.

He also claimed to have performed miracles.

He condemned non-believers to eternal hellfire.

In other words, Jesus Christ, if you accept he was historical, was one of many apocalyptic Jews who preached the end of the world at that time. He wasn't alone, his teachings surely weren't unique, and his methods were typical of the day. In modern parlance, he was a cult leader, in the David Koresh mold, if you will.

[roguevalley]

111. he didn't. Paul said he did. Paul wrote the story after Jesus

was dead. The gist of the story about love and taking care of each other is the only part of him that survives the overwrting and all the rest. PAUL said all of the above. He said be ready for the kingdom which was coming in your heart and mind.

DAVID KORESH. Really. And I sippose you would say he also fucked little girls like Koresh. I get it. You hate religion. I do too. But I love what Jesus taught: Love, compassion and caring. All the rest is Paul.

[Humanist_Activist]

117. Did Paul write the Gospels?

Much of what I told you came from them, after all, are you saying they don't represent Jesus either?

Also, you seem to not understand this, I didn't say they were the same, but similar in how they attempted to control their followers, both David Koresh and Jesus. Of course, this is assuming Jesus even existed, which is far from proven. Most likely he is an amalgamation of several different people of that time and prophets of the OT who were combined to be the "son of God", mostly for the purpose of fulfilling prophecy.

Look, I get it, you worship a Disney version of Jesus, I'm sure it makes you feel better, but it surely isn't the Jesus of the Bible, but simply a fantasy you created that can make Jesus palpable to your modern, secular, morality.

[Union Scribe]

169. I'd like to see a cite for that.

No, really. Show me that "most of DU's Christians try to say" that.

[RadiationTherapy]

20. I was introduced to the concept of 'othering' in my communication and WGS classes.

While I am sure it has many meanings for many people, "Othering" is a term I use to describe the process by which we dehumanize a rival group for the purpose of restricting or removing a group's rights.

[WinkyDink]

137. Well, I "other" HIM AND his fellow Republicans. Sue me.

[ZombieHorde]

21. God always adheres to the believer's political beliefs.

When a believer changes political beliefs, at the exact same moment, God changes its political beliefs too.

[JDPriestly]

60. How true!

God is playing tricks on the Republicans.

Gingrich -- a former Protestant and born-again-Catholic with two nasty divorces on his record so far.

Santorum -- a confused Catholic who never seems to mention the Saints but babbles endlessly about a Bible without stating which version -- Catholic or Protestant -- he is talking about.

Romney -- a Mormon and considered by many fundamentalists not to be Christian at all.

And these men, none of them fundamentalists themselves, are vying for the backwoods, Bible-thumping, Fundamentalist vote.

Surely God is laughing his head off at these hypocrites. Sooner or later they will all be caught in the act . . . pretending to be what they are not.

It isn't a question of their faith (or anyone else's either). Each of them is entitled to his religious beliefs.

It's that to win the nomination, they have to prove they are "holier than thou."

If the world ends this year, it will probably be because
God is too busy laughing at these clowns to do his job.

[Bake]

22. Santorum: "Ain't nobody got the truth but me."

Now he's gone from bad politics to arrogantly consigning at least 75% of Christendom to hell.

If you really, really pressed him, he'd say there are no true Christians except Roman Catholics. I wish someone would ask him that.

I hope he gets the nomination. President Obama will utterly DESTROY Little Ricky in a debate.

Bake

[truebrit71]

23. Yeah, that Jeebus fella was a real republican through and through...right?

"Blessed are the banks", "Do unto the rich as the rich would do unto themselves", "That which you do to the least of my brothers means he probably deserved it and needs to take personal responsibility for his own failures"...

I must have been reading those passages wrong all these years..

Pssst Ricky....bee tee dubs...the whole thing is fake...but you go right ahead and keep arguing how YOUR invisible sky-being is cooler than Obama's...don't worry...it doesn't make you look fucking stupid or anything...the sweater-vest does that all by itself...

[yellowcanine]

25. Ricky, "I did NOT say Obama wasn't a Christian last week but this week I am saying it.

What a load of codswallop he is.

[Loudmxr]

26. If Joseph was an orthodox Jew he would have had Mary stoned to death.

So much for your religion.

But he loved her and her little baby.

Understand that...buddy?

[sinkingfeeling]

27. Wow, so he's admitting he's a fundamentalist Catholic. The Christian Taliban is here!

[WinkyDink]

138. Not exactly a state secret.

[BigDemVoter]

28. Wait, Rick!

Isn't Mr. Santorum Roman Catholic? He ought to keep his fat pie hole SHUT regarding a literal interpretation of the Bible if he is, indeed, Roman Catholic. There are plenty of holes to knock in THAT theology if one wants to talk about "literal interpretation."

Example: Not only do RC's believe that Jesus was conceived without intercourse, but they ALSO believe that Mary herself was conceived in the same manner. --Just a bit of lore for those who may be interested. Is this supported literally in the Bible? Mmm I don't think so, Rick!

[davidthegnome]

71. pffft

Mary didn't have none of that. She wasn't like, librul an' havin' orgies and she didn't never get done diddled by no angel neither.

I mean... ugh, Santorum makes my brain hurt. Of course there's liberal Christians, Santorum, they're the people who actually read what Jesus had to say...

[HopeHoops]

29. There's no such thing as a fake Christian who actually follows the teaching of Christ.

Take that, Mr. Frothy.

[LynneSin]

30. I guess this douchebag never read the gospels...

Jesus was the first liberal christian

[raouldukelives]

31. They do make a Cliff Notes New Testament.

Maybe someone should send him a copy since he apparently has never found the time to read the long version.
If I were more devout I might think that he actually serves Mammon and is trying his best to lead his flock astray.
I mean, the Sermon on the Mount ain't rocket science. Rare is the time I have seen a conservative Christian forgive his enemy and give him the shirt off his back. Usually it's more like burn his holy book and send out the drones to kill his family.

[Angry Dragon]

32. Rick is so wrong on this

The Catholics do not use a literal reading of the Bible. One would have to ask what kind of Catholic he is.

[backscatter712]

34. Put a bullet in the cylinder, spin, cock the revolver, point it at us & pull the trigger... Click.

Don't you love stochastic terrorism?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

35. The guy who was probably the most "liberal" Christian ever was hung on a cross.

[phleshdef]

36. Hey Ricky, Jesus was a left wing, radical Jew, murdered by people like you.

[hamsterjill]

38. Oh, bite me, Santorum!

I'm a liberal Christian, and I'm standing right here. Who the fuck do you think you are, Rickie-boy, to question how I believe!

[Zoeisright]

39. Wrong. Conservative Christian is the oxymoron.

And Santorum is the moron.

[HangOnKids]

43. And Rush Is The OXY! n/t

[Goblinmonger]

50. You realize you are using the same fallacy as Santorum on this one, right? n/t

[HangOnKids]

58. Christianity Is Conservative?

Really? You realize that you are wrong, right? Zoe is correct here.

[Humanist_Activist]

125. Actually, Christianity is whatever a Christian who follows it thinks it is...

God, and Jesus, are nothing more than projections of a person's beliefs, no more, no less.

[Goblinmonger]

174. They have reasoning/support for their argument. You for yours.

You each pick and choose from the bible that which supports your side. That you can't see that is not my fault.

[thelordofhell]

41. Supply Side Jesus strikes again

[jwirr]

44. Using the non-literal interpretation of the Bible. There is the key to understanding him. And that

describes my church to the letter. I also think that the Catholic church has used that method for centuries. He has applied rw theology to Catholic teachings.

[Iliyah]

45. Again

goppers forget about history. Persecuted religious groups fled or were kicked out of Europe because they could not practice freely their religious beliefs. Many of these persecuted groups arrived on the shores of Massachusett.

Is history repeating itself? It sound like the religious crazies are at it again all in the name of their so called "God".

[lunatica]

99. And the Puritans proceeded to persecute all those Salem witches!

[AlbertCat]

120. Persecuted religious groups fled or were kicked out of Europe because

... they were dreadful holier-than-thou prudes and no one in Europe could stand them.

[SammyWinstonJack]

46. Oh goodie......... gawd wars!

ENOUGH ALREADY!

And what the hell does this even mean?


To take what is plainly written and say that 'I don't agree with that, therefore I don't have to pay attention to it,' means you're not what you say you are. You're a liberal something, but you're not a Christian.


I swear, this idiot can use lots of words and end up saying nothing. Another gw bush.




STFU pRicky.

[Enrique]

47. so Santorum says the Pope isn't a sincere Christian

because on certain issues, the Pope is decidedly liberal.

[JDPriestly]

48. I wonder what version of the Bible Santorum

considers to be acceptable.

How about Jefferson's Bible?

Jefferson was a religious liberal if there ever was one.

Santorum needs to read the original writings of historical figures.

[roguevalley]

90. I have a lot of Catholic friends and not one of them has read the

bible cover to cover. Odd, that. THey ask me, the protestant to tell them things.

[Humanist_Activist]

149. I was a Catholic who read the Bible cover to cover, hence why I'm an atheist now. n/t

[JDPriestly]

187. Precisely!

I'm not sure that my closest Catholic friend knows how to find things in the Bible. I suspect he does not know the order in which the books appear.

And many Protestants do not understand that the first books more or less are the laws, the second group of books, the history and the third group literature -- even though it is pretty obvious.

[librechik]

53. I can think of one--Jesus himself

http://www.jesusisaliberal.org/

"Why is Jesus a Liberal?

Webster's dictionary defines a Liberal as one who is open
minded, not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional
or established forms or ways. Jesus was a pluralist Liberal
who taught that one need not conform to strict and orthodox
views of God, religion, and life. He rejected greed, violence,
the glorification of power, the amassing of wealth without
social balance, and the personal judging of others, their
lifestyles and beliefs.

Over and over again, He taught us to believe in and live a
spiritual and ethical life based in our essential, inherent
goodness. What Jesus promoted was succinct set of
spiritual principals and a way of life based upon the of love,
compassion, tolerance, and a strong belief in the importance
in giving and of generosity to those in need.

While not Biblical scholars, our common sense
understanding of His lessons as philosophically and
politically Liberal is founded upon Jesus' own words (see
quotes below), modern interpretations of Liberation Theology,
and in the positive, loving and compassionate application of
His teachings - from the many early Saints to Mother
Theresa and Liberation Theology.

Certainly, Jesus brought a radically Liberal theology to the
Orthodox believers of his time. Jesus IS a Liberal even today
because now more than ever, His principals align with the
very core of Liberal Beliefs."

[white_wolf]

55. "non-literal interpretation of the Bible" You mean like the Catholic Church uses?

Seriously, Rick do you not know the basics of your own religion. The Catholic Church does not interpret the Bible literally on a lot of things. For instance, your Church denounces Creationism and supports evolution, I'm betting you don't. I think Rick would fit in better with some Fundamentalist church, they are the ones who stress Biblical literalism.

[LanternWaste]

59. I will certainly allow them all the credibility they indeed warrant.

But of course there will always be those in the secular world of politics who will tell me how to live my own faith better. Some will say, "you progressive Christians aren't Christian enough" and others who will flip the coin and say, "you Progressive christians aren't Progressive enough..."



I will certainly allow them all the credibility they indeed warrant.

[ohheckyeah]

61. Non-literal is wrong?

Why did Jesus teach in parables if he wanted everything to be taken literally?

[roguevalley]

92. because he was gnostic. The literalists of course burned the gnostics.

[4_TN_TITANS]

62. Cut the guy some slack...

He's doing our work for us. He just lost the Unitarian Universalists and a lot of Episcopals & Methodists.

[BlueDemKev]

65. I would hope that the UU's wouldn't vote for him anyway

[4_TN_TITANS]

79. I know a whole congregation that wouldn't.

No right wing b.s. at my church! Luv it!

[BlueDemKev]

63. So Santorum obviously believes that I'm not real.....

...because I'm a proud member of the CHRISTIAN LEFT.

His words are spoken like a true fundamentalist: one who takes the Bible literally but ignores the context.

Let me give you an example.....Jesus said that if your left hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away." Now, he didn't actually mean for you to cut your hand off , he was speaking in a parable (an analogy) encouraging his disciples to avoid temptation. For example, if you have a problem with lust, then don't go to a bar on a Saturday night. DUH....!

[Jennicut]

64. I guess that rules out Jesus then. And me. How dare I be a liberal...and a Christian!

By the way Ricky, a lot of things were left out of the New Testament. It is not the full view of Jesus's views. It is the views through a spectrum of a few people. It is not meant to be taken totally literal and for practical purposes cannot be taken literal in today's world. And as a very socially liberal Christian, f*ck off. I have a right in this country to religious freedom. You can't pick and chose the politics of people who want to be Christian (or Jewish, Muslim, etc.). I go to church and my husband is a church organist. I am a Lutheran who believes in gay and women's rights and civil rights and that idiot can't take that away from me.

[DallasNE]

68. Plainly Written/Literal Interpretation

Saying something is so does not make it so. Scholars constantly disagree on passages in the Bible. By itself that says that the Bible is not plainly written nor subject to literal interpretation in many cases. Let me make my point here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_bush

Here, Santorum, let me make a literal interpretation of you that is plainly written: you're nuts.

[Initech]

69. He's vying with Newt & Romney for title of first preacher.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

72. Walking the Repub Plank.

Walk on, Rick.

[thucythucy]

74. So it is literally true

that it is more difficult for a rich man to get into heaven than it is for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle?

Seems to me that means pretty much every single member of the 1% is due to burn for all time, Senator Church Lady included.

That's if you take all that stuff literally.

[Ian62]

75. BURN the heretics - bring back the Spanish Inquisition nm

[Ilsa]

82. He's not really a Catholic since he believes in War and the Death Penalty. nt

[cmd]

93. Who made you God?

I think Jesus would have a lot to say to you about your unkind, unChrist-like beliefs.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

94. Jesus wasn't a Christian and his sermons would be shouted down by today's smug right winger

[Bluerthanblue]

97. then they need to take his name out of their label-

Jesus Christ.

Where is the Christ in the fundementalist 'Christ'ianity?

He isn't there-

[Turbineguy]

95. Santorum is actually a Secret Plot by

the Obama Administration to round up all the crazy people and put them in institutions where they belong. Vote for Santorum and you're getting a straightjacket and a padded cell.

[DFW]

98. Isn't that like "There's No Such Thing As A Sane Republican?"

No, that would be going too far.........unless you're Rick Sanitarium.

[emsimon33]

101. I can think of one: Jesus!

[niyad]

103. hey, frothy, you just insulted one of my dearest friends (now deceased), who was, in her own words,

what people like you believe does not exist, an evangelical left-wing christian (and a member of DU, as well)

most of the members of her church were like that, and, amazingly enough, they actually practiced those little things in the bible like the golden rule, love one another, take care of one another--you know, all that commie socialist weird theology you rant about.

[Fortran]

105. Either he never read the Sermon on the Mount, or he's just plain nuckin' futs.

[leighperson]

115. Look in the mirror, Santorum

You may call yourself a conservative something, but that last thing you are is a Christian. Since when has it been Christian to bear false witness DELIBERATELY and consistently. You are the epitome of hypocrite, the worst kind in the world.

To paraphrase a movie line, "Is he paralyzed from the neck up?

Liberals act more like Christians than any Reich Wing hypocrite ever will.

[Fritz67]

116. "To take what is plainly written and say that 'I don't agree with that,..."

"To take what is plainly written and say that 'I don't agree with that, therefore I don't have to pay attention to it,' means you're not what you say you are. You're a liberal something, but you're not a Christian."

...

Leviticus 19:19 Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.

I hope there's no polyester in your sweater vests, Ricky.

[Autumn]

121. Autumn: There's no such thing as a conservative Christian

you can not be a conservative, believe what they believe and be a Christian. Their thoughts go against everything Christ stood for. They need to fucking read their bible, the words Christ spoke.

[Humanist_Activist]

126. I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword - Jesus

Seems like they read their Bibles just fine, they just interpret it differently than you, doesn't make them any more wrong than you though.

[Autumn]

128. Yes he did say that. He also said to take care of each other. He spoke love, not hate

doesn't make you any more right than than me though.

[Humanist_Activist]

132. Actually he spoke of both love and hate, charity and selfishness...

in other words, depending on what quotes you liked, Jesus is whatever you want him to be, that's my only point, if you claim he was something, he was also its opposite, its a matter of interpretation, after all.

[Union Scribe]

170. Really got a hard-on in this thread huh?

I think it's because you resent liberal Christians because it makes it harder to broad brush them all.

[Humanist_Activist]

171. I don't resent them, I just find it hypocritical to criticize Santorum for things they do as well...

when it comes to the NTS fallacy in particular. Generally it shows biblical ignorance for both conservatives and liberals, and frankly I hate inaccuracies and mischaracterizations of this sort.

[boxman15]

122. Rick Santorum can go fuck himself.

Republicans are the most un-Christian Christians imaginable. It's pathetic.

[Nancy Waterman]

124. If he wants to read the Bible literally

He can go and stone Gingrich and his wife to death tonight during the debate. What a self-righteous a**hole he is. Yuck!

[muntrv]

131. Hey Ricky! There's no such thing as a "compassionate conservative."

[Jester Messiah]

133. I bet he was wearing clothing made of BLENDED CLOTH when he said that, the hypocrite!

Leviticus 19:19, jerk! READ YOUR BIBLE!

[grantcart]

134. Now he's even pissing off sincere conservative Christians

He lost liberal Christians a looooooooong time ago but now sincere conservative Christians who have friends and family who are more liberal than they are will pissed at this and won't want to be associated with it.

[Ruby the Liberal]

135. Jesus wept. nt

[WinkyDink]

136. Santorum is doing some serious perversion-squelching. Maybe he likes dogs.

[lonestarnot]

144. Simpleton full of himself. Huff n Puff bullshit. He is the first stone thrower apparently.

[JackBeck]

150. As an atheist, I wish more liberals would build coalitions with people of faith.

Keeping groups of people in their separate silos alienates potential supporters.

Granted, it's difficult work sitting down with people who are traditionally opposed to your equality.

But there is no better reward once you win them over to your side after dialoguing with the.

[kwassa]

186. Many people of faith are liberals

There are gay clergy throughout the Episcopal church; the assistant rector of my church was married to her same-sex partner by the Bishop of Washington at National Cathedral, the same place that many services are held for U.S. Presidents.

[Telly Savalas]

151. God is too busy influencing the outcome of sporting events to get involved in politics

[Blue Owl]

154. But isn't Santorum liberal with his prudishness?

n/t

[triguy46]

155. a vote for Rick is a vote for Torquemada!

Since he now purports to be the judge of another's faith, then as the representative of the true faith approved by the Pope we can begin to try non-believers! How 15th century! What is even more ir(mor)onic is that the Catholic church now has the southern baptist convention co-opted to do its legwork! Evangelicals swooning over a Catholic!

So JFK felt necessary to affirm he would be the peoples' president, not Rome's. Rickie is running on being Rome's president and the people be damned.

A bizarro world.

[spanone]

157. and there are no intelligent republican candidates

[Tennessee Gal]

162. Hey, Rick, THE 9th COMMANDMENT Exodus 20:16 "Thou shalt not bear false witness."

From a Liberal Christian.

[tsuki]

163. The more I read about this guy, the more I wonder...Is he running

to be President of the United States or is he running to be God?

[R.Blue]

164. Stuck up

Obviously his interpretations are the only correct interpretations (sarcasm).

[WCGreen]

167. Hell. Jesus was pretty liberal.....

[sellitman]

172. Church Of The Latter Day Rick

Obama is going to wipe the floor with this turd.

[The Doctor.]

175. Great, both my Irony AND my Hypocrisy meters just exploded.

It's going to take a week of rehabing them with the Sunday toons and Good Morning America.

[AsahinaKimi]

177. Stupid is as Stupid does...

son na baka na! demare kono yarou! Neboken ja neyo!

[Taverner]

178. Ayn Rand loves you and died for your sins

Ayn Rand also has a wonderful plan for your life

[Evasporque]

180. No such thing as an electable Religious Extremist.....nt

[rucky]

190. No true Scotsman. n/t