There is no government on this planet who could force me to

[malaise]

have a trans-vaginal probe. I'd opt for self defense against rape and
I'd kill the attackers. They are lucky I am not in their age range because they wouldn't get that close.

This is madness

[DocMac]

1. I will NOT be probed!

I'm all for female freedom!

[slackmaster]

2. My late former fiance had a trans-vaginal probe several years ago

It was part of a battery of tests done for cancer screening. One of her older sisters died about 20 years ago from ovarian cancer.

[malaise]

3. I'm assuming she made that choice

and it was necessary

Did she die of cancer? I just noticed your late. That is sad.

[slackmaster]

8. She was scared out of her wits about cancer and rightly so

She died of complications from a brain disorder.

[malaise]

11. Too sad

[niyad]

4. was it her choice--or was it mandated by some woman-hating jerk in the legislature? surely you can

understand the difference between your fiance's procedure and what is behind the virginia bill.

[slackmaster]

6. I don't know anything about any "virginia bill"

Perhaps the person who posted the OP could clarify what issue he or she is addressing. A trans-vaginal probe is just a medical procedure as far as I know.

[malaise]

9. This is about the bill in the Virginia legislature

-a forced vaginal-probe for anyone who wants an abortion.
Watch Rachel Maddow in a few minutes - it's a major issue and women are reacting to this madness.

Sorry about your loss.

[slackmaster]

22. Thanks for your kind reply. The trans-vaginal exam my friend had cost hundreds of dollars.

I still haven't looked up exactly what it consists of, but I have no doubt that it's traumatic.

[DocMac]

10. I don't think we are talking about a scan.

My understanding of this is some insertion of an object.

If I was a woman, i'd be uncomfortable with this.

And MSNBC showed a map of states that already are pursuing this or have the law on the books.

Every single state that touches the Gulf of Mexico is on board. I hope southern women can rise up and end this.

[malaise]

12. Uncomfortable?

That's a euphemism - more like fugging ballistic

[kestrel91316]

15. Have you been in a coma for the past week??

[slackmaster]

21. In going through my late friend's medical papers and ran across one with the term "trans-vaginal,"

...which I had never heard of in all of my 54 years as an avid reader. So I Googled it and ended up on this thread.

It's always refreshing to see such a high level of compassion on DU.

ETA I looked it up - It's a form of ultrasound exam that involves inserting a transducer into the vagina.

I was familiar with the now possibly defunct Virginia bill to require an ultrasound exam prior to getting an abortion. I didn't make the connection with the term trans-vaginal because it wasn't in any of the information I'd read about the bill. Nor did the paperwork I was sorting make any reference to ultrasound.

[niyad]

5. what I don't understand is why physicians are not up in arms about all the woman-hating, intrusive

bills spewing from the legislatures all around the country. surely they do not approve of being told how to practice medicine.

[malaise]

7. Unbelievable

Now ReTHUGS won't let Dems televise their hearing on the subject. Fugg 'em.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

20. Good point

Isn't the right-wing against "socialized medicine"? Isn't that essentially what we're getting by them making all these new laws about how they need to do their jobs?


The fundamental truth of the matter is that the right really DOES believe in "big government" as much as they accuse the left of being (projecting again, no surprise there), it's just they want "big government" doing things that THEY want it to do. As long as government is keeping gays from getting married and trying to regulate people's reproductive lives (among other things), they're perfectly fine with "big government."

[spanone]

13. i've never. ever. seen this kind of theocratic intrusion in government. so blatant, so defiant.

these are the very people who are saying how intrusive the affordable healthcare act is......


this is some scary stuff.

[malaise]

18. That's the truth

This is scary stuff

[hlthe2b]

14. The problem is the VA Government intends to force health providers to BECOME the rapists.

It is the doctor (or more likely his ultrasound tech) who will have to do this. They are thus victims of this travesty as well.

[niyad]

16. and I repeat, WHERE were their voices when this was being discussed. . I don't recall hearing

about any protests from the physicians.

[hlthe2b]

17. I don't know... I don't know whether they bulldozed it through sans any public testimony...

like typical RW thugs usually do.... Or if there were protests that have not gotten public attention. I don't know... I have to think there is anger and dissent, as it has been alluded to, but I don't know why we aren't hearing it.

[Sirveri]

19. They could always just sign off that they did it, and then not do it.

Though my guess is that word will quickly get around about that, which could cause problems depending on the wording of the bill.