Of course the Zimmerman "rescue" was a fake.

[JackRiddler]

What's even more unbelievable is that more people didn't doubt it immediately in this 24-7 cycle of mostly obvious puffed-up and made-up news stories, not to mention that the source was a Zimmerman friend on the same Sanford Police Department that tried to help Zimmerman get away without even being arrested or tried for pursuing and murdering a child.

Before very many facts about this "rescue" were in, certain self-styled "skeptics" (who pretend they are the only true rationalists) rushed to uphold an official story and bait those who saw the obvious as "conspiracy theorists." Embarrassing.

http://kasamaproject.org/en/news-analysis/4465-no-that-creepy-ass-cracker-did-not-rescue-a-family

We have seen news reports of protesters doing thousands of dollars of damage to be wrong. The claims of separate attacks by protesters over the Zimmerman verdict turned out to be false. Now added to the list of false news reports appears to be the story of George Zimmerman heroically rescuing a family of four from a burning SUV.

The initial report was that George Zimmerman was ‘just coincidentally’ driving by after a car accident occurred, that he leaped out of his vehicle, fire extinguisher in hand, to come to the rescue of the family of four trapped inside as the vehicle caught fire, pulling them to safety. That was followed by the claim that the family he rescued had planned a press event to thank George Zimmerman, but that they canceled due to threats from Trayvon Martin supporters.

It appears they may have canceled the event because they did not want to be part of the fraud of making Zimmerman out to be a hero, when that story was not precisely true.

What did occur was that an accident occurred where a car slid on it’s side into a median. People at the scene called 911, which went to the Sanford office of the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office. BEFORE responding to the 911 call, News Ball.com reports that Seminole Sheriff’s Dept. Officer Patrick Rehder, a self-styled friend and supporter of Zimmerman, contacted Zimmerman by cell phone directing him to go to the accident so as to appear to be a hero. News Ball.com also provides a social media screen capture of a curious statement about Rehder taking pleasure when someone gets credit for something they did not do.

[JustAnotherGen]

1. Heh heh heh

Looks like I was right - there was a tip off to Georgie.

[onehandle]

2. Ta-Dah! nt

[bullwinkle428]

3. Once again - a lie travels halfway around the world before the truth

has the chance to put its pants on.

K&R.

[Octafish]

4. Authoritarians always lie to make themselves look better.

It's their natural odor. And order.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

5. Figures.

Wonder if the people who called the doubters "conspiracy theorists" will apologize?

[JustAnotherGen]

6. Oh hell to the NO!

They are formulating the rationalization of why it was done and it was a "good thing" this lie was told.

[AtheistCrusader]

7. No, because the part of it that was fixated on, actually happened.

People doubted, at least in the threads I read and responded to, that the wreck ever happened at all. That it was staged. Un bloody likely.

Zimmerman's RESPONSE to the wreck, however, appears to have been staged. I don't object to that.

[heaven05]

20. anything

with zimPIGS name attached to it that is 'good'? Suspect. "Appears"? Oh well I'm sure there will be plenty to show up that will look for excuses for the zimPIG and his 'heroic' response.

[HiPointDem]

35. no, a number of commenters immediately suggested that someone might have called him,

or that he might have heard it on scanner.

racing over there *on purpose* to *appear to be* a 'hero' = staged.

[AtheistCrusader]

36. Not in the threads I observed/responded to.

There's a 'no true Scotsman' fallacy in here somewhere, I'm sure on both sides.

For those that voiced doubt about Z's response, or the story en total, not only did I not criticize them, but I applaud their innate instincts.

But there were most certainly people who doubted the crash happened at all, and to them, I think some level of scorn is warranted, because come on. There were front page threads on how 'the whole story was unraveling' etc. And that is how the term 'crashers' came to be affixed to it.


So, mix of good and bad, on both sides. And there were people on 'my' side (I define as 'wait and see/truth will out' crowd) who got it wrong too, thinking he could well have been nearby and may have done something good. I voiced something similar as a possibility in a range of possibilities, even though I was careful to explicitly state that it wouldn't change anything even if he pulled a hundred babies from a burning orphanage.

[Babel_17]

40. The story leads back to newball

The story leads back to newball, and newball is run, afaik, by Cole Bartiromo.

His name has been associated with scams.

https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=Cole+Bartiromo+scam

He's posted pic's of the kids who were in the accident. Going by the comments at his site and elsewhere, we're supposed to accept that they'll just have to take their chances because of their parents.

He has a bounty out for personal information of the jurors. I have to hope we could use other sources than him for this story.

Zimmerman happening to be a rescuer is a suspicious tale but there has to be better links.

Though it's buried in another thread it has been brought up.

[brush]

57. People that have followed the TM story

have long since gotten to the point of understanding anything coming from zimmerman or his camp is not to be trusted. He's a proven liar.

That is why some doubted the accident even happened. Others thought it was staged. Still others thought it was some kind of conspiracy. Many wondered why, with everyone and their mother having a cel phone with a camera nowadays, there were no pictures of the incident.

I would say the instincts or all of those groups were on the right track, some were off somewhat, but like I said earlier, they knew anything coming from the zimmerman camp couldn't be trusted, so it turns out they were all right about that.

There was no "rescue." It was another lie.

[AtheistCrusader]

62. My problem with it was really just that

people were coming to a hard and immobile Conclusion(TM) based on hunches.

I think even the hunches that the wreck never happened are sort of justified, but should not have been relied upon as conclusions.

[heaven05]

14. never

too much false pride.

[PatrynXX]

8. Frankly I'm surprised this isn't against the law.

1. fire the cop
2. get to the bottom of this.
3. no matter how hard George tries now he'll look even more guilty after caught lying red handed

[MoonRiver]

13. FloriDUH is a banana republic.

I believed that when FL Republiscums selected *, against the will of their and the American electorate. Now it has been confirmed.

[Boom Sound 416]

9. As someone who has for the most part given the benefit of doubt to the story

It's certainly not looking good

But the nail in the coffin is the confirmation to the claim for which the article says its yet to obtain

[davidohenry]

10. George

please just go away to be never be seeing again.

[Boom Sound 416]

12. Yeah, agree with all of it or not, that would be best

That's the most common ground I think everyone can find

[heaven05]

15. yeah

yeah, yeah.geez

[Boom Sound 416]

16. Hey, look at that

We agree!

[diabeticman]

11. So are STILL considered "Crashers" because we doubted Zimmerman's "rescue" role?

[AtheistCrusader]

21. Depends

Did you doubt his response, or did you doubt that the vehicle with family inside crashed?

There was a variety of opinions on why the story was bullshit. Some apparently accurate, some not.

[LanternWaste]

52. And still others merely hedging their bets, regardless of actual convictions.

"Some apparently accurate, some not...

And still others merely hedging their bets, regardless of actual convictions.

[brush]

58. But bottom line, the story was bullshit.

Most of us have learned by now that nothing coming from zimmerman or his camp can be trusted. He's a proven liar for God's sake.

[madville]

32. I was waiting on some proof to come out

Anyone can say whatever they want on an Internet blog, no real evidence yet.

The author of the link in the OP certainly states everything like it's fact. Is it true? No one really knows yet.

[heaven05]

17. zimPIG

is such a case for sterilization. I just hope he never has kids.

[Fumesucker]

18. So to be clear, this cop delayed responding to an emergency in order to tip off Zimmerman?

Do I have that right?

[anneboleyn]

26. I can't believe that this officer won't be sanctioned for this...

and I am "shocked" that the media has gone silent. It is actually quite serious.

[Junkdrawer]

43. No. George got there AFTER the crash victims were rescued.

But was given credit anyway.

[sufrommich]

47. The family acknowledged that Zimmerman

pulled them out:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2375251/George-Zimmerman-rescue-family-terrified-targets-hate-mobs.html

[Junkdrawer]

48. They sure did. But now they seem to want to back away...

And the 911 calls seem to say they were rescued early in the process.

More will be revealed....

[TeeYiYi]

49. If you listen to the 911 calls..

...it's pretty clear that the family was not truthful.

&feature=youtu.be

The article you cite is from July 23. Anomalies with the original story have since been revealed, including no mention of Zimmerman or fire in the police report.



http://ivn.us/penigma/2013/07/25/george-zimmermans-heroic-car-crash-rescue-appears-to-be-a-fraud/

TYY

[brush]

59. Why are you posting false info?

They were all out of the car before zimmerman, having been tipped off about the accident, even got there.

[sufrommich]

61. I'm not posting false information and there is no

reason to smear me with that accusation. I gave you a link, the family has never denied that Zimmerman helped them,they simply have decided they want no part of the Zimmerman circus.

[cpwm17]

19. The 'crasher' claim is that the crash was an elaborate scam

with many involved – all completely ridiculous.

For the sake of argument, let's say that this sleazy website (News Ball.com) is correct in this case and that a single police officer called Zimmerman to show up at a crash scene: what's the story? It's a none event not worth much of anyone's time.

[JackRiddler]

24. The story is that there was a story.

The story is that a portion of the corporate media uncritically splashed a puffed-up story about Zimmerman's role in a rescue that he had absolutely nothing to do with. And then, when people had their well-founded automatic doubts, some of the corporate media (and a few DU official-type "skeptics&quot tried to bully people with the CT label and picked out the most ridiculous bullshit version (no crash at all) as a strawman.

As things stand, there's no doubt any more that Zimmerman did not in any way participate in a rescue of these people, and it's also near-certain that the claim the family would hold a press conference was completely fabricated. The story therefore is that either of these got uncritical coverage from a portion of Corporate McPravda. The story is about propaganda at work, and why it chose this particular cause of rehabilitating the acquitted murderer of a child.

[Junkdrawer]

41. Exactly. ABC news jumped to Zimmerman's defense early, before charges were filed....

Remember the "enhanced" video which turned out to not match the later "evidence"?

As time goes on, we're seeing more and more evidence of a media willing to lie in anyway it can to prop up the mechanisms of State which they see as protection from the screwed-over masses they fear.

[madville]

22. I don't like the guy

But this isn't exactly a vetted story from confirmed sources. It's a story about something the author read on another Internet site that has yet to confirm their sources. I will say it's plausible.

[JackRiddler]

30. Nope, Rehder's name on the accident report...

and captures of his social media statements are more than "something the author read on another Internet site." Also, there is the complete lack of evidence that there was a need for a rescue (since there was no fire) or that Zimmerman in any way participated in such a rescue.

And it's not just plausible. It matters that it's far, far, far more plausible than the story of the rescue as initially put out by the sensationalist media.

[KinMd]

23. If you "staged" a rescue to make Zimmerman look good...

wouldn't you want to do it BEFORE the trial? Then you'd put a sympathetic image of him in the minds of potential jurors. Doing it now is really pointless.

[JackRiddler]

25. Who says there's a long plan involved?

You're thinking too much like a smart person. It could be as simple as that the murdering dick's cop-dick friend spontaneously gave him a tip that there had been an accident; and the murdering dick, being just as dumb as his cop-dick friend, thought it was a good idea.

The real story is why was this story reported uncritically in the media, and why are the same media completely silent now that it's unravelling?

[anneboleyn]

27. Exactly. And now the media is SILENT.

[JackRiddler]

28. Right, that's the rest of the story.

[JackRiddler]

33. Sorry about your head, by the way.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

29. I'm surprised he didn't save a bus load of nuns.

[Scootaloo]

31. Blind nuns. With seeing-eye puppies. Delivering shoes to an orphanage.

[Pelican]

34. It's amazing how everyone seems to link to the same unsubstantiated personal blog...

... that is "newsball"

The same website that is offering a reward to names and addresses of the Zimmerman jurors.

[noiretextatique]

37. cell phone records

Do not lie.

[Pelican]

38. Question...

Have you seen the records?

If you take the time to read the entire "article" he states that he coerced a member of the family to look at some records and found that the police officer in question had made a call or a text, he isn't sure, to someone named George around the time of the accident.

So...

1) No proof. No photos. No data.
2) Unnamed "family member" provided the information... How convenient
3) Not sure if it was a call or text even though there should be no doubt if he had access
4) A call to a "George" around the time of the traffic accident does not mean that it is George Zimmerman or that he told him to scream on over to pull someone out

Someone could write a thesis paper on this car accident alone. People seem to feel that if anything positive comes out about Zimmerman it is a direct challenge.

[LanternWaste]

53. Whilst yet others seem to feel that if anything negative comes out about Zimmerman...

"People seem to feel that if anything positive comes out about Zimmerman it is a direct challenge...."

Whilst yet others seem to feel that if anything negative comes out about Zimmerman, it must be validated, stamped, notarized and signed to hold any amount of credibility...

[Pelican]

54. I don't know about all of that...

A hint of evidence would be nice though.

A personal rant from a random dude on the internet with no proof doesn't really fall in that category.

[Paladin]

56. Thanks for your ongoing contributions, Random Dude. (nt)

[brush]

60. Come on! Use your head.

If this zimmerman rescue story was true it would have been verified long ago. The police dept, Fire, Rescue dept, all of them would have released official statements if it were true.

Doesn't it seem strange to you that there has been no photo op with hero "zimmer-man" and the rescued family thanking him? Their "allegedly scheduled news conference was cancelled, what's up with that? Was that another made up story from the zimmerman camp, after all it was to be at zimmerman's lawyer's office?

There have been no photos released even of "zimmer-man" at the scene in action when everyone has a cell phone camera nowadays.

By now everyone should know that you can't just take a proven liar's (zimmerman) word for things.

[noiretextatique]

63. if they used their heads

They would not be supporting a proven liar who murdered an unarmed teenager and concocted a racist self-defense excuse that resonated with many, including the jury. Seriously: the only people lower than Zimmerman are his apologists

[brush]

66. "the only people lower than Zimmerman are his apologists"

You are so right.

[Pelican]

64. Is that the new standard for journalism?

If it isn't on instagram it isn't real?

[noiretextatique]

65. yet you bought zimmerman's ridiculous "self-defense" claim

[Pelican]

67. Two things...

1) What does that have to do with this? That is the part that boggles my mind about this. People think that the two are connected and if it turns out he took a guy out of a car accident then that means something to do with the Martin case.

2) At least in the Zimmerman case, there was some evidence that supported his story. You can choose to ignore it or interpret differently but at least it was there. There is literally zero, note the use of the word literally, evidence to indicate anything other than a simple traffic accident.

The standard isn't "Come up with a batshit crazy idea and prove to me why it didn't happen that way"

You start with the explanation as put forth by multiple people who were there. If you have proof that something is different then you bring it out and change the story. That hasn't happened yet...

[EOTE]

68. It's amazing to me that you ALWAYS defend that murderous scumbag Zimmerman

Regardless of the awful shit he and his defenders do. Amazing and sickening that the bulk of your posts are in defense of a child murderer.

[Pelican]

69. Told you before...

My hobby is throwing water on emotional hyperbolic statements with objective logic and facts.

Case in point...

[EOTE]

70. Nope. You've got a K or so posts.

The bulk of them have been in defense of a racist, piece of shit murderer. There are THOUSANDS of topics you could utilize your "hobby" with, but yet you choose to defend a racist child murderer with 90% of them. Nobody is buying your garbage, champ. You and objective logic and facts are not friends, in fact logic wants absolutely nothing to do with you. Logic is just about to file a defamation suit on your ass.

[Pelican]

71. In case you hadn't noticed...

Folks just lose their ever loving minds when it comes to this case...

Hence the reason I respond to the subject the most.

I'm sure folks will get stupid on something else soon and we can start on that.

[EOTE]

72. So you admit that the bulk of your thousand or so posts are in defense of Zimmerman.

It's not often that we get trolls who actually admit that they're defenders of piece of shit, racist murderers. At least you're honest with yourself. There are plenty of other issues being discussed here, but it's quite clear that you're most in your element defending racist murderers. If you REALLY wanted to surprise someone here, you could display an ounce of decency. LOL, like that's ever going to happen.

[Pelican]

73. It's adorable that you think that is what I said...

I defend logic and the law and get my jollies from making people think things through... That's what I'll admit.

Cheers...

[EOTE]

74. It's adorable you don't think you're doing anything other than defending a racist piece of shit.

You folks got to stick together, right? Wouldn't want anyone infringing on YOUR right to shoot dark people who scare you. Hundreds of issues to discuss and you pretty much exclusively focus on defending a racist murderer. You might also want to consider that the vast majority of folks here are a good deal more intelligent than you and don't fall for your bullshit even a tiny bit.

[Pelican]

75. The best part...

... is that you really think that.

Anyone who acts within the law or defends due process or asks for facts and proof instead of emotion and angst is labeled a racist who wants to shoot "dark people."

That must be it...

[EOTE]

78. Just like Zimmerman, right?

How awful are we for demanding justice for someone who was just acting within the law? He was so deathly afraid of that 17 year old with a can of juice. I can understand why you'd be similarly terrified! Must suck walking down the street not knowing when any young minority might end your life at a moment's notice. And then there are people who go about their lives occasionally using a lick of common sense. Someday you might get there.

[CatWoman]

77. I noticed that right off the bat

appears he/she/it just can't help his/her/itself.

fucking disgusting.

[Paladin]

76. That's your hobby? I bet you're lots of fun at parties.....

Sarcasm alert, for those who invariably need one.....

[Pelican]

79. It's primarily an internet hobby...

... but I use the same skill set on a daily basis.

Objective facts used to determine a path forward picking winners and losers.

[CatWoman]

80. in order to prove, once and for all

that Zimmerman is a really cool ok guy -- who just likes to hunt down and kill innocent people he views as "suspects".

Can I book you at my next grandchild's birthday party? Fortunately it won't be my grandson's.

[Pelican]

82. Not really sure what you are going for there...

Try again and I'll check back on you later.

I think you would be hard pressed to find a post where I say that he is a "really cool ok guy."

[sufrommich]

39. To believe this blogs story,you would have to believe

that other bystanders stood around while the cop called Zimmerman to come to the scene of the accident,that no one else would attempt to help the victims of the accident in a timely manner (like right after the accident happened) and that the road would be clear for Zimmerman to speed to the scene of the accident as opposed to blocked by cars rubber necking the accident,anybody who has ever driven by an accident knows that traffic stops and then slows to a crawl until police arrive and start moving traffic.Stop and think about how much time would have to pass as the cop called Z and Z got in his car and drove to the accident. I am definitely not a Zimmerman apologist,he got away with murder, but this conspiracy theory makes no sense.

[Junkdrawer]

42. I guess you could twist the OP's post more...

I just don't know how.

[Captain Stern]

44. That's exactly what you'd have to believe to accept that it was fake.

The news reports said that the vehicle turned over, and that Zimmerman and another guy helped the family out of the car, and then left after the officials arrived. (None of the news reports I saw said anything about a burning vehicle).

The simpler story is more likely to be the truer story.

[Junkdrawer]

45. The OP claims that strawman after strawman is used to hide the truth...

And critical readers will see you're provng him right.

[Captain Stern]

50. How so?

I haven't presented a strawman argument at all.

I'm simply saying that the original story is more likely (Zimmerman and another guy help a family that wasn't in any real danger get out of their rolled over car) than:

1. Car turns over at rush hour.
2. Somebody calls 911
3. Deputy calls Zimmerman
4. Family doesn't get out of the car on their own.
5. Nobody else helps family get out of car before Zimmerman gets there.
6. Zimmerman gets there before the cops.

[Berlum]

46. Z-man gots a fatal case of Republican "Family Values"

lying cheating wanker.

[libodem]

55. I knew it was a ruse

Pigwanker has zero upper body strength. He has no ability to pull any thing out. He couldn't pull a Kleenex out of a tissue box. When we see him with both arms in casts , in a news photo, I'll believe he tried to pull an adult out of a car.


We are talking weakling wanker here, remember? Mixed marshal arts, my ass. He couldn't jump rope or play jacks with out needing stitches.


One impression Zippy left however is that Travon was a super fighter able to kick some major butt. I find comfort in picturing a Ninja octopus throwing that scared shaking, sniveling, frightened little crybaby all over that wet grass, having full advantage and winning with his unblemished hands. So strong, so young, so wise. And now the super fighter of the century. You are my hero.

[Hoyt]

81. And folks right here seem to believe george's martial arts instructor who said he was a weakling.

To me that testimony just proved Zman is a bully, who carried a gun in case his 3 day a week training didn't work for him.

What does it take to convict an obvious bullying, gun toting, bigot who shoots an unarmed kid?

[malaise]

83. Duh!

I called it a hoax from day one- someone genre even suggested that we were no different than birthers