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midnight

(26,624 posts)
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 03:20 PM Jul 2013

Americans are now more worried about civil liberties abuses than terrorism



by Glenn Greenwald
Numerous polls taken since our reporting on previously secret NSA activities first began have strongly suggested major public opinion shifts in how NSA surveillance and privacy are viewed. But a new comprehensive poll released over the weekend weekend by Pew Research

provides the most compelling evidence yet of how stark the shift is.

Among other things, Pew finds that "a majority of Americans – 56% – say that federal courts fail to provide adequate limits on the telephone and internet data the government is collecting as part of its anti-terrorism efforts." And "an even larger percentage (70%) believes that the government uses this data for purposes other than investigating terrorism." Moreover, "63% think the government is also gathering information about the content of communications." That demonstrates a decisive rejection of the US government's three primary defenses of its secret programs: there is adequate oversight; we're not listening to the content of communication; and the spying is only used to Keep You Safe™.

But the most striking finding is this one:

"Overall, 47% say their greater concern about government anti-terrorism policies is that they have gone too far in restricting the average person's civil liberties, while 35% say they are more concerned that policies have not gone far enough to protect the country. This is the first time in Pew Research polling that more have expressed concern over civil liberties than protection from terrorism since the question was first asked in 2004."
For anyone who spent the post-9/11 years defending core liberties against assaults relentlessly perpetrated in the name of terrorism, polling data like that is nothing short of shocking. This Pew visual underscores what a radical shift has occurred from these recent NSA disclosures:

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/07/29-2
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Americans are now more worried about civil liberties abuses than terrorism (Original Post) midnight Jul 2013 OP
I hope so. LWolf Jul 2013 #1
Exactly what I was thinking... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #13
Uh oh. That means it's time for another "terrorist" attack. kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #2
Perhaps. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #7
It only makes sense... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #14
Finally. At this rate they ought to be concerned about global warming just about when it's 150"F. Gregorian Jul 2013 #3
"The sheep look up." nt bemildred Jul 2013 #4
As they ALWAYS should have been FiveGoodMen Jul 2013 #5
About freaking time! NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #6
I sure hope so nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #8
As time goes by more people will catch on. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #9
The sad thing is it always takes a disaster for Americans to wake up Downtown Hound Jul 2013 #10
^ Wilms Jul 2013 #11
Few See Adequate Limits on NSA Surveillance Program But More Approve than Disapprove struggle4progress Jul 2013 #12
For good reason people are starting to wonder what is going on... Our first amendment rights are midnight Jul 2013 #15
 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
13. Exactly what I was thinking...
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 02:04 AM
Jul 2013

The Patriot Act is a piece of shit, regardless of who is president.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
2. Uh oh. That means it's time for another "terrorist" attack.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 03:25 PM
Jul 2013

Gotta keep the sheeple all fired up about the RIGHT things.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
7. Perhaps.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 05:17 PM
Jul 2013

But I would put my money on another flurry of blue link posts telling us that the people don't really think that, black is white, up is down, and loyalty to party must come before anything else unless you want the Libertarians to win.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
9. As time goes by more people will catch on.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 05:35 PM
Jul 2013

This wave will grow, as people learn that their every phone call and email is being made available to these sharks. When it hits public knowledge that medical and financial records are being correlated into it -- that's when it's going to get hot.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
10. The sad thing is it always takes a disaster for Americans to wake up
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:00 PM
Jul 2013

They supported the Iraq War until it became to bloody. They supported increased government surveillance until it became too intrusive. I can only hope one day that the American public develops these things called critical thinking and foresight, and maybe we won't have to deal with shit like this anymore.

struggle4progress

(118,291 posts)
12. Few See Adequate Limits on NSA Surveillance Program But More Approve than Disapprove
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 11:44 PM
Jul 2013

Released: July 26, 2013

A majority of Americans – 56% – say that federal courts fail to provide adequate limits on the telephone and internet data the government is collecting as part of its anti-terrorism efforts. An evenPerceptions of the Governments Data Collection Program larger percentage (70%) believes that the government uses this data for purposes other than investigating terrorism ...

Nonetheless, the public’s bottom line on government anti-terrorism surveillance is narrowly positive. The national survey by the Pew Research Center, conducted July 17-21 among 1,480 adults, finds that 50% approve of the government’s collection of telephone and internet data as part of anti-terrorism efforts, while 44% disapprove. These views are little changed from a month ago, when 48% approved and 47% disapproved ...

Overall, 47% say their greater concern about government anti-terrorism policies is that they have gone too far in restricting the average person’s civil liberties, Both Parties Divided in Civil Liberties Concerns over Anti-Terrorism Programswhile 35% say they are more concerned that policies have not gone far enough to protect the country. This is the first time in Pew Research polling that more have expressed concern over civil liberties than protection from terrorism since the question was first asked in 2004 ...

The public is divided over whether the news media should report on information it obtains about the secret methods the government is using to fight terrorism. About half (47%) say that the media should report on the government’s secret methods, while the same percentage says they should not; overall opinion on this question is little changed from May 2006 ...


http://www.people-press.org/2013/07/26/few-see-adequate-limits-on-nsa-surveillance-program/


US opinion on this is the usual confused mish-mash: "There aren't adequate limits, and we generally think it's gone too far, but we still sort of support it"

midnight

(26,624 posts)
15. For good reason people are starting to wonder what is going on... Our first amendment rights are
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 02:51 PM
Jul 2013

being silenced...

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