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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 07:35 AM Jul 2013

5 Powerful Men Who Were Catastrophically Wrong About the Economy—But Reaped Rewards Anyway

http://www.alternet.org/economy/5-powerful-men-who-were-catastrophically-wrong-about-economy-reaped-rewards-anyway



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1. Lawrence Summers. Economist Dean Baker has the lowdown on Summers. Bill Clinton’s former Treasury Secretary is well-known in economic circles for such accomplishments as his brutal hectoring of Brooksley Born over her prophetic warnings about mortgages, and his open mockery of IMF chief economist Raghuram Rajan financial reform as a “Luddite” because Rajan was—oh, what’s that word again?—oh, yes: correct.

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2. Tim Geithner. We all remember Geithner’s tenure as Treasury Secretary. He ignored repeated warnings about unemployment, and as a result he presided over the longest and deepest jobs depression in many decades. His stewardship of the TARP bailout program was so lax that, as the US Inspector General reported, bankers were allowed to receive bonuses so large they were apparently illegal.

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3. Alan Simpson;and 4. Erskine Bowles. They’re funded by anti-government billionaire Pete Peterson. They were made co-chairs of President Obama’s “Deficit Commission.” And they’re repeatedly, remarkably wrong. They also very right-wing, according to the polls, which consistently show that their proposed government cuts are too extreme for many Republicans and are widely disliked by the public at large. And yet, in the distorted worldview of Washington and the major media, they’re repeatedly presented as “moderate” or “centrist.”


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5. Rick Santelli. Government officials aren’t the only ones who can get their predictions spectacularly wrong and be rewarded for it. Tea Party hero Rick Santelli, who prognosticates on the economy for CNBC, has shown that economic ineptitude can be privatized.
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5 Powerful Men Who Were Catastrophically Wrong About the Economy—But Reaped Rewards Anyway (Original Post) xchrom Jul 2013 OP
Whether they were right or wrong sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #1
^ This ^ Myrina Jul 2013 #5
The same with Bush, people say he was a terrible. A Simple Game Jul 2013 #10
+1 daleanime Jul 2013 #12
A very astute point. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #13
Absolutely. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #37
k&r n/t krispos42 Jul 2013 #2
With a stellar record like that, Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #3
K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #4
Have to include Greenspan on this list as chief fool on point Jul 2013 #6
Greenspan's biggest fuck ups Dagny_K Jul 2013 #18
You act as if this wasn't done on purpose. nt awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #27
You're right about intentions. I should change my title from chief fool to chief tool! on point Jul 2013 #28
Three Republicans and two fascists. Or are they all? HughBeaumont Jul 2013 #7
They Are titanicdave Jul 2013 #8
Why isn't Greenspan or anyone from the Bush administration on this list? frazzled Jul 2013 #9
Phil Gramm was the chief enabler Dagny_K Jul 2013 #11
+ 1000 JoePhilly Jul 2013 #26
I can't believe people still listen to these asshats. reusrename Jul 2013 #14
These can NOT be blamed on The Republicans, or the Tea Party, bvar22 Jul 2013 #15
Tim Geithner? HENRY PAULSON!! Dagny_K Jul 2013 #19
Paulson with Co-Conspirators: bvar22 Jul 2013 #20
what is happening in that picture? Dagny_K Jul 2013 #22
I'm pretty sure that's from the news conference after TARP passed Fumesucker Jul 2013 #24
That was the Press Conference... bvar22 Jul 2013 #25
+1 leftstreet Jul 2013 #23
I know what that suggests to me. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #38
Yeah, the CNBC jaggoffs have still never had to answer Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #16
for what??? Dagny_K Jul 2013 #21
Rackateering harun Jul 2013 #32
How exactly?? Dagny_K Jul 2013 #39
Wrong for 99% of us, for sure. n/t DirkGently Jul 2013 #17
Catastrophically wrong? AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #29
Heck of a Job, Larry! Vanje Jul 2013 #30
Yes. Couldn't be more wrong about everything involved and leading up to it. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #33
Assclowns all of them. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #31
Double Kick and Rec! Fuddnik Jul 2013 #34
Thank you for this post, and I want to say, This is the Best Thread I have read in weeks... AnotherDreamWeaver Jul 2013 #35
Kicked and Recommended! Enthusiast Jul 2013 #36
 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
1. Whether they were right or wrong
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 09:11 AM
Jul 2013

depends on which side of the financial fence you sit. These guys work for those who cashed in on the collapse. I think it likely that the financial collapse was less a consequence of ineptitude than of premeditation.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
10. The same with Bush, people say he was a terrible.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 10:05 AM
Jul 2013

I say he was a great President, but only for the people he represented. He accomplished much more of what he set out to do than most Presidents.

I do not count myself among those he represented.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
3. With a stellar record like that,
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 09:12 AM
Jul 2013

what sane person cold possibly oppose Obama's putting Summers on the Short List for "Head o' the Fed"??

Dagny_K

(39 posts)
18. Greenspan's biggest fuck ups
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 04:46 PM
Jul 2013

Lowering the Fed rate to 1% and keeping it there for two years, combined with his failure to exercise regulatory oversight, lead to the creation of the primary financial weapons of mass destruction---securitized debt and credit default swaps.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
7. Three Republicans and two fascists. Or are they all?
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 09:37 AM
Jul 2013

"Democrats", you say?

These guys are about as Democratic as I am a disciple of Milton Friedman.

Repub economics is Repub economics no matter WHO does it.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
9. Why isn't Greenspan or anyone from the Bush administration on this list?
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 09:49 AM
Jul 2013

After all, the huge financial collapse happened under their watch.

Dagny_K

(39 posts)
11. Phil Gramm was the chief enabler
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 10:21 AM
Jul 2013

As the key sponsor of the Commodities Futures Modernization Act (slipped into an omnibus budget bill to benefit Enron where his wife was on the board) and the co-sponsor of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act which repealed Glass-Steagall, Phil Gramm effectively cleared the way for the creation of financial institutions that would be "too big to fail" and with excessive, unregulated powers to invent downright destructive financial instruments.

 

reusrename

(1,716 posts)
14. I can't believe people still listen to these asshats.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 02:16 PM
Jul 2013

How do they keep it going? When will it all collapse under its own ridiculousness?

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
15. These can NOT be blamed on The Republicans, or the Tea Party,
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 02:17 PM
Jul 2013

Last edited Mon Jul 29, 2013, 05:00 PM - Edit history (1)

or
George Bush
or
The South,
or
The Red States,
or
"The Fringe Left",
or
"The Naderites",
or
"We were already in a hole"
or
"It takes a long time to turn a ship at sea"
or
Whatever other excuse we have all heard too many times.


[font size=3]These four were Executive Appointments.
NONE of them had to be "approved" by Congress or The Senate:
*Lawrence Summers
*Tim Geithner
*Alan Simpson
*Erskine Bowles.[/font]

These men where chosen by President Obama,
and appointed to positions of immense power
because they most represented President Obama's Vision for America's Economic Future.

Read 'em and weep,
......unless YOU happen to be a current member of America's 1%.
In THAT case, pop the champagne and PARTY!!!




You will know them by their [font size=3]WORKS,[/font]
not by their speeches, promises, or excuses.

[font size=5 color=firebrick]Solidarity99%![/font]






Dagny_K

(39 posts)
19. Tim Geithner? HENRY PAULSON!!
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 04:56 PM
Jul 2013

As CEO of Goldman Sachs, future Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson lead the charge to pressure the SEC to release the country's biggest investment banks from net capital rules. As soon as they were free, they shot their debt to net cap ratio from 12 to 1 to as high as 40 to 1. We know where that went! Bear Stearns and Lehman in the shitter, Merrill Lynch sold at a fire sale to Bank of America, Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs getting bailouts.

Now he gets to run his own "Institute."

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
20. Paulson with Co-Conspirators:
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 05:03 PM
Jul 2013

[font size=4]Now THIS is Bi-Partisanship!!![/font]




You will know them by their [font size=3]WORKS,[/font]
not by their promises or excuses.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
24. I'm pretty sure that's from the news conference after TARP passed
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 05:15 PM
Jul 2013

TARP, Proposed on Sept 19, 2008, enacted Oct 3, 2008.

Our civil servants can move like lightning when the interests of their masters are threatened.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
25. That was the Press Conference...
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 05:51 PM
Jul 2013

...where the passing of TARP was announced.
I was surprised that Paulson was given the Lead Position over the Speaker of the House and the Senate Majority Leader in this announcement.
I am STILL disturbed that Paulson was even allowed in the building for this announcement.
"They" clearly knew their place in the Governmental Hierarchy.
I guess the man who delivered the 3 Page extortion Note
wanted to pick up his Trillion Dollar Check in person to make SURE there were no strings attached.

The Congressmen and Senators later all crowded in front of the cameras,
congratulating themselves for their heroism in "voting against the Special Interests"
and "Saving the Economy".

Their claims of "Saving the Economy" is debatable,
but what is NOT debatable is that most (if not ALL) of the people voting to Give Wall Street the MONEY saved the Quarterly Profits of their OWN portfolios,
and dumped the cost on the backs of the American taxpayers.

Dagny_K

(39 posts)
21. for what???
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 05:04 PM
Jul 2013

They're not a financial institution, they're not a lawmaker, they're not a regulatory agency, they're not part of the Fed, they weren't handing out the pens to sign NINJA mortgages...what was the impact of whatever they did???

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
29. Catastrophically wrong?
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:54 PM
Jul 2013

Lawrence Summers = chosen by Obama as an economic advisor

Tim Geithner = chosen by Obama for the Secretary of the Treasury

Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles = chosen by Obama for his Cat-Food Commission

Rick Santelli = still available for Obama to choose him for an Administration position.

Vanje

(9,766 posts)
30. Heck of a Job, Larry!
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 08:27 PM
Jul 2013

Here's your Obama appointment to the Fed!

Heck of a job, Timmy! How'd you like to run the nation's treasury!

Heck of a Job, Simpsy! Bowlsey! Your President NEEDS your Mad Skillz for one of our most successful programs. Stick it to Social Security, like you stuck it to the economy!

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
33. Yes. Couldn't be more wrong about everything involved and leading up to it.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 09:27 PM
Jul 2013

Which makes the facts you've pointed out all the more bizarre.

I think it's also worth noting that Janet Louise Yellen was completely passed over by President Obama after he appointed her. Could her record of being right be his reason? I'm not a huge fan or anything, but FFS, Summers has never been right about anything in his whole career and is one of the very few people alive that can rival the shrub for a lifetime achievement award for turning everything he touches to shit.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
34. Double Kick and Rec!
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 12:02 AM
Jul 2013

They're all assholes!

I wish I could pick the worst among them, but I can't. They're ALL complete assholes!

AnotherDreamWeaver

(2,850 posts)
35. Thank you for this post, and I want to say, This is the Best Thread I have read in weeks...
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 01:34 AM
Jul 2013

So much cooperation and addition in every response.
Thank you DU.

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