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iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 02:25 AM Jul 2013

I am 58 years old and this has never happened to me until today.

After dinner this evening as I was watering the front garden, a car full of teen aged boys drove by and one leaned out the passenger window and yelled, "Fuck you N*****!".
No one has ever yelled that at me before.
My back was to the street and so I had to turn around to see who was threatening me. A dumb white kid, surrounded by other white kids, was hanging out the passenger side window. Clearly proud of his bravado, he wore a huge grin and displayed an extended middle finger, as he accosted me for the entertainment of his friends.
I must admit I was surprised to be assaulted in this fashion. I have lived in this neighborhood since I was five, kids don't drive around verbally harassing old people here. At least not to my knowledge.
And I have German and Irish ancestry. And look like it.
Regardless of this fact, it was an unnerving moment. In my own front yard, minding my own business and teenagers intrude in my life in such an ugly way.
I don't suppose they will return to terrorize me or my family but I can imagine how one might feel if that threat was real.
I hope, one or more of the kids in that car, find themselves in my history class this coming fall. I plan to develop a lesson around this event, highlighting the psychology of group behavior, the identification of the other in society, and the use of racial epithets and other derogatory language toward innocent bystanders, and the impact that has on those accosted.
I don't get the thrill of being nasty toward strangers.

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I am 58 years old and this has never happened to me until today. (Original Post) iemitsu Jul 2013 OP
I am sorry to hear this happened to you. Behind the Aegis Jul 2013 #1
I'm fine but thanks for your condolences. iemitsu Jul 2013 #6
When you build your lesson plan, be sure to consider integrating the HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #8
Thank you for the suggestion. iemitsu Jul 2013 #19
One that may not be as "harsh" as that experiement, is "Brown Eyes/Blue Eyes." Behind the Aegis Jul 2013 #29
Thank you. I've used Brown Eyes/Blue Eyes too. iemitsu Jul 2013 #33
Pls explain brush Jul 2013 #69
I'm caucasian, just a regular, avarage white guy, and I've been called that Papagoose Jul 2013 #100
Sorry that happen to you brush Jul 2013 #107
That is horrible, Papagoose. iemitsu Jul 2013 #150
Damn. WHERE DO YOU LIVE? trof Jul 2013 #162
I live in Polk County, Georgia Papagoose Jul 2013 #164
I'm not mixed race but I was wearing a batiked shirt. iemitsu Jul 2013 #149
It is fashionable for the young to be mean, to bully, to be snide. MADem Jul 2013 #2
Hell, bullying and snideness have become fashionable on this very website. villager Jul 2013 #4
I agree, you are absolutely right on that!!! meti57b Jul 2013 #68
It's embedded in the larger culture. LWolf Jul 2013 #86
Yes, it's a shame in many ways, isn't it? MADem Jul 2013 #104
The name calling and snide attacks are puzzling, to some degree villager Jul 2013 #113
The old "battle lines being drawn, nobody's right, if everybody's wrong!" MADem Jul 2013 #114
Well, something *is* definitely happening here.... villager Jul 2013 #117
I agree. We're in a period of change right now. Who knows what the future will bring? nt MADem Jul 2013 #123
If lovin' you is wrong, I don't wanna be right? AAO Jul 2013 #140
I like that tune much better! nt MADem Jul 2013 #142
It just dawned on me what your reference was to! DOH! AAO Jul 2013 #143
Hee hee! nt MADem Jul 2013 #146
You describe the teenagers I know, especially the boys. iemitsu Jul 2013 #7
Yes. The meaner they are, the more they need some guidance, attention, notice. MADem Jul 2013 #14
Your description fits my experience. iemitsu Jul 2013 #16
I am a teacher also and I like your idea of a lesson. JimboBillyBubbaBob Jul 2013 #70
I'd say you have a couple of Ph.D's in the topic!!! nt MADem Jul 2013 #106
Weird. I really don't recall either myself or my friends Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #53
Me neither...then again, I will acknowledge that my upbringing was atypical. MADem Jul 2013 #103
I loved my father for instilling in me, liberal values. AAO Jul 2013 #141
fad? heaven05 Jul 2013 #75
Was the person who committed that crime a teenager? MADem Jul 2013 #101
Yeah heaven05 Jul 2013 #124
Why are you yelling at me? MADem Jul 2013 #126
phhhffft heaven05 Jul 2013 #128
You are apparently operating under a misapprehension as to my ethnicity. MADem Jul 2013 #130
doesn't heaven05 Jul 2013 #131
You're plainly confusing me with someone else, and I don't want to indulge your MADem Jul 2013 #132
I don't know what to say Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #3
Thanks for your compassion. iemitsu Jul 2013 #11
+10000 heaven05 Jul 2013 #76
I have had bottles thrown at me from cars as Downwinder Jul 2013 #5
That sucks, iemitsu Jul 2013 #12
Nope. The only thing that comes in glass bottles these days is beer. Downwinder Jul 2013 #31
A bottle is better than bumper. iemitsu Jul 2013 #34
It is nice to have options though I am not really sure Downwinder Jul 2013 #39
One kid alone is unlikely to do this; a group of kids- LeftinOH Jul 2013 #77
Nasty little pigs. Give it the thought it deserves, then let it go. geckosfeet Jul 2013 #9
Thanks, they were acting like nasty little pigs. iemitsu Jul 2013 #13
The Republicans ran the last election as if White Rule was on the ballot... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #10
Yes. Open racism was popularized under W Bush iemitsu Jul 2013 #15
I was going to post something about Nixon's Southern strategy and Reagan's welfare queen nxylas Jul 2013 #25
That's what I see too. iemitsu Jul 2013 #27
You have to admit. Thanks to the web this period in history is being well documented.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #30
The documenting is good. iemitsu Jul 2013 #36
Makes it harder for them to deny it. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #95
At work last week Sherman A1 Jul 2013 #17
My day wasn't ruined. iemitsu Jul 2013 #21
Some people only feel good about themselves if they demean others. TexasTowelie Jul 2013 #18
Yeah, and those some people, who iemitsu Jul 2013 #22
That's horrific. Sadly I think it means your neighborhood is deterioating. joshcryer Jul 2013 #20
Well, my story pales alongside the nasty encounters iemitsu Jul 2013 #24
I've since moved, thanks! joshcryer Jul 2013 #32
I'm glad you moved. iemitsu Jul 2013 #35
That story actually warms my heart. joshcryer Jul 2013 #38
Holy crap sakabatou Jul 2013 #120
I'm a white female and ever since I can remember I've hated to be around a group of boys or men Raine Jul 2013 #23
All the behaviors you describe are unacceptable iemitsu Jul 2013 #26
That's the whole point: it is intended to be intrusive and threatening, NOT flattering. nt tblue37 Jul 2013 #91
As odd as it sounds, Shankapotomus Jul 2013 #46
That cultural stain . . . brush Jul 2013 #71
Oh, heavens, I hate groups of men/boys, too. Being a young female around such groups Nay Jul 2013 #63
I'm 53 and a grandmother now. LWolf Jul 2013 #88
probably not the first or last time they will do it JI7 Jul 2013 #28
I don't get the thrill of being nasty toward strangers. DeSwiss Jul 2013 #37
There is much wisdom in your post. iemitsu Jul 2013 #155
De nada. DeSwiss Jul 2013 #160
I am so sorry this happened to you. LiberalLoner Jul 2013 #40
I never understood that nastiness towards strangers either belcffub Jul 2013 #41
How awful. So much hatefulness and stupidity. Two weeks after I was born, lunamagica Jul 2013 #42
You've got some nerve, watering your own garden Orrex Jul 2013 #43
I just avoid eye contact with people - too many drama queens. closeupready Jul 2013 #44
Why are some people nasty to strangers? Two reasons I can think of right of. raccoon Jul 2013 #45
You fail to account for motive, though. closeupready Jul 2013 #56
Motive: Just meanness. nt raccoon Jul 2013 #67
Hoddang. I'm so sorry a ratty bunch of kids tried to steal your day HillWilliam Jul 2013 #47
so sorry you had to endure this steve2470 Jul 2013 #48
This reminds me of an incident several years back justiceischeap Jul 2013 #49
oh heaven05 Jul 2013 #79
Yeah, it's never comfortable to see that look of hatred aimed at you for justiceischeap Jul 2013 #81
yep heaven05 Jul 2013 #84
I find that it is fairly typical of the young hfojvt Jul 2013 #92
They suffer from an acute case of Javaman Jul 2013 #50
I'm so sorry treestar Jul 2013 #51
societal degradation Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #52
been heaven05 Jul 2013 #80
it has become cool to be as racist again dembotoz Jul 2013 #54
The teenagers displayed some very bad behavior. However, I doubt that it was directed at ladjf Jul 2013 #55
I love your response... to teach!!!! robinlynne Jul 2013 #57
I drive a prius ctsnowman Jul 2013 #58
The word "n****r" is in common use by many young people now in large part to .... Botany Jul 2013 #59
Kick Scurrilous Jul 2013 #60
Lord of the Flies JEB Jul 2013 #61
I guess the media, the courts and vocal racists have all Sheepshank Jul 2013 #62
Sorry this happened, glad you are a teacher, hope you are allowed enough time/leeway to introduce KittyWampus Jul 2013 #64
Hey, your not in the special minorities club until someone slurs us! Here's your toaster!! ;) nt cecilfirefox Jul 2013 #65
I'm proud to finally be a member of that club. iemitsu Jul 2013 #153
Shit heads! one_voice Jul 2013 #66
The reason you don't get "the thril of being nasty to strangers" is that .... marble falls Jul 2013 #72
Well... AlbertCat Jul 2013 #73
Wow. narnian60 Jul 2013 #115
I'm no martyr AlbertCat Jul 2013 #133
that's heaven05 Jul 2013 #74
"I don't get the thrill of being nasty toward strangers" abelenkpe Jul 2013 #78
I used to take long walks along the back roads Flatulo Jul 2013 #82
I'm sorry this happened to you, iemitsu. Apophis Jul 2013 #83
It sucks that life is still like that in small town America. iemitsu Jul 2013 #156
Great that you will use this to foster discussion in class. Another good piece that gets kids LuckyLib Jul 2013 #85
Not sure why random nastiness is so unsettling - wtmusic Jul 2013 #87
ashamed to be white ellennelle Jul 2013 #89
sometimes the "childish internet mentality" acts out in real life... Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #90
Those kids think it's OK since respect, tolerance, and consideration for others are foreign to them AndyA Jul 2013 #93
I was raised to be very respect toward the elders... TRoN33 Jul 2013 #94
shame that happened Chaco Dundee Jul 2013 #96
As a friend of mine once pointed out... ewagner Jul 2013 #97
Teenagers, possibly drunk, do find a thrill in being hateful Warpy Jul 2013 #98
Inexcusable...and cowardly DissidentVoice Jul 2013 #99
I am so sorry this happened. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #102
I'm so sorry this happened to you. myrna minx Jul 2013 #105
Cultural entropy. Common Sense Party Jul 2013 #108
When I was 11, our adult male neighbor looked my mom in the eye and called her a dirty Jew. mountain grammy Jul 2013 #109
Dirty Jap Generic Other Jul 2013 #148
car full of losers Liberal_in_LA Jul 2013 #110
I'm so sorry this happened to you LiberalEsto Jul 2013 #111
K & R SunSeeker Jul 2013 #112
As you said, age is a factor, too. hamsterjill Jul 2013 #116
Shame you had to put up with that crap. Have you ever watched The Dome ? BlueJazz Jul 2013 #118
Sorry this happened to you. William769 Jul 2013 #119
America is mean. roamer65 Jul 2013 #121
Two things I just want to share: chervilant Jul 2013 #122
Once, about 20 years ago, I attended an educational conference iemitsu Jul 2013 #152
abuse ` kardonb Jul 2013 #125
Dear iemitsu, johnnyreb Jul 2013 #127
Thank you Johnnyreb. iemitsu Jul 2013 #157
you heaven05 Jul 2013 #129
PLEASE video or record your lessons around this event... stlsaxman Jul 2013 #134
i can imagine the father of many of the kids such as the ones you mentioned coming busterbrown Jul 2013 #135
Sorry this happened to you. kairos12 Jul 2013 #136
good for you for wanting help their ignorance. Blue Palasky Jul 2013 #137
They were The Wizard Jul 2013 #138
Talk about making lemonade! AAO Jul 2013 #139
I doubt very seriously any of those boys will be in your history class.. sorry to say. YOHABLO Jul 2013 #144
I'm horrified tavalon Jul 2013 #145
I like your phrase,"... a leaking wound is preferable to pretending iemitsu Jul 2013 #158
Racism seems to be very regional in the United States DontTreadOnMe Jul 2013 #147
I live in NYC and I'm a native New Yorker. vaberella Jul 2013 #151
Don't mean to hijack this important topic but.. great white snark Jul 2013 #161
Hey GWS! How are you?! vaberella Jul 2013 #163
Damn. I'm so sorry that happened. Arugula Latte Jul 2013 #154
Horrible! Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2013 #159

Behind the Aegis

(53,959 posts)
1. I am sorry to hear this happened to you.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 02:32 AM
Jul 2013

If you aren't AA, it seems odd they would shout it at you; though, I will say it has happened to me twice and I am white, with an olive complexion. For people like that, it is the "thrill" of being heard; it's that simple. It is nasty and hurtful, and if you are by yourself, it can be very scary. It doesn't matter if it is what was yelled at you, what I get much more often, "FAGGOT!", or someone yelling "nice tits, baby!" IMO, it is a form of personal terrorism.

I am glad to hear you are going to make a lesson of this, that is the BEST response!

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
6. I'm fine but thanks for your condolences.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 03:28 AM
Jul 2013

It is the behavior of terrorists and in some circumstances I would be frightened by the incident.
Unknown to the joy-riding teenagers, behind the walls of my house sat my ethnically mixed wife and her mother, who has no European ancestors. I have seen ugly behavior and heard ugly comments before, just never been called the N word by strangers.

 

HardTimes99

(2,049 posts)
8. When you build your lesson plan, be sure to consider integrating the
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 03:39 AM
Jul 2013

Milgram Experiment done at Yale U. (IIRC) in the late 50s. Don't have any links at the ready for you, but it will show how group think and authoritarianism (under color of 'science') go hand-in-hand.

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
19. Thank you for the suggestion.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 04:16 AM
Jul 2013

I am familiar with the Milgram experiment and can work that into the plan.
High school students are fascinated by psychological experiments and the implications of psychology on society.

Behind the Aegis

(53,959 posts)
29. One that may not be as "harsh" as that experiement, is "Brown Eyes/Blue Eyes."
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 04:59 AM
Jul 2013

I have used it several times, usually a variation. If you aren't familiar, let me know. I used to do diversity presentations all the time for college students. If you need any help, shoot me a PM.

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
33. Thank you. I've used Brown Eyes/Blue Eyes too.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 05:27 AM
Jul 2013

I think the kids in my building read that in the 9th grade.

brush

(53,785 posts)
69. Pls explain
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 11:18 AM
Jul 2013

Are you of mixed ancestry? I'm not understanding why they would do that if you are white.

On another note, I feel unfortunately that because of the zimmerman verdict the racists feel they have free reign to do this kind of stuff now, and even worse, because they can get away with.

Papagoose

(428 posts)
100. I'm caucasian, just a regular, avarage white guy, and I've been called that
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 03:04 PM
Jul 2013

Just some people's "ultimate insult" word I guess.

I also had the misfortune of being the victim of gay-bashing despite not being gay. Walking alone one evening I was surrounded by a group of young men and physically beaten into near unconsciousness while they yelled anti-gay slurs at me.

brush

(53,785 posts)
107. Sorry that happen to you
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 03:25 PM
Jul 2013

I hope all of this is just a last gasp spasm of racism as a result of our country's changing demographic and having a black man in the White House.

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
150. That is horrible, Papagoose.
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 05:16 AM
Jul 2013

The name calling dehumanizes the prey and legitimizes the attack. Packs of kids are more dangerous than packs of wolves because they can rationalize any behavior they like.
I'm sorry you were victimized, and hope you have recovered as well as you can.

Papagoose

(428 posts)
164. I live in Polk County, Georgia
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 11:26 PM
Jul 2013

And every day I look forward to the day I can move back to Philadelphia!

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
149. I'm not mixed race but I was wearing a batiked shirt.
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 05:10 AM
Jul 2013

My back was to the street, I'm old and have white hair (the part that not translucent), or, as the post above suggests, it was just an insult.
Who knows?
I am married to a mixed race woman, and her non-Euro mother lives with my wife and me, so I am a bit sensitive about the use of racial slurs. I have heard plenty of them, perhaps many more than my wife or her mother. But overt racism is not prevalent in this town or neighborhood. I was more surprised and dismayed than hurt by the incident.
I agree that Americans feel they have license to treat others in any nasty fashion they want. Overt racism is clearly on the rise lately. I hope we can put a stop to that trend.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
2. It is fashionable for the young to be mean, to bully, to be snide.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 02:57 AM
Jul 2013

I think they believe it makes them tough--it's like armor or something.

I wouldn't be surprised if your bellowing, finger waving, N word hollering, nitwit in a motor vehicle wasn't goaded on to that display of moronic bravado by his equally stupid companions.

They love the goading, too. It's an odd fad.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
104. Yes, it's a shame in many ways, isn't it?
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 03:22 PM
Jul 2013

Sometimes it's the failure of the written word (when people's intent is misconstrued), but other times it's "I don't like you/your opinion so I am going to say something insulting about your character to compensate for my inability to come up with a counter-argument!" Thus, we see conversations that start out about a topic, and end up with poop flinging. Other times, it's long - standing feuds. With no more "forced ignore" we see more of that.

It's way less civil around here lately, but in a way, taking the long view, looking at the Big Picture...at least we know where that's coming from and can avoid it.

It used to be "the mods," using their standards of "decency" or "civil discourse," made the decision as to what posts just went "POOF" and what ones were allowed to stand. If one wasn't around when the offending post was made, it was like it never even happened, and we didn't get the 'full flavor' of an individual's personality. Now, we know, and can act accordingly!

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
113. The name calling and snide attacks are puzzling, to some degree
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 04:40 PM
Jul 2013

The whole site feels like a giant "Gungeon" sometimes!

But the "broken" communications do seem on the uprise, perhaps because the actual political situation is continually imploding, and people feel increasingly desperate...

MADem

(135,425 posts)
114. The old "battle lines being drawn, nobody's right, if everybody's wrong!"
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 04:44 PM
Jul 2013

Dating myself, with that reference!

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
7. You describe the teenagers I know, especially the boys.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 03:31 AM
Jul 2013

Maybe not just the boys, teenaged girls can be pretty mean too.
Bravado can be worn as armor but once the armor comes off you find a kid inside. Usually a pretty needy kid, who wants some attention.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
14. Yes. The meaner they are, the more they need some guidance, attention, notice.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 03:56 AM
Jul 2013

The nice kids who get positive attention just don't seem to feel as much if any of a need to lash out.

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
16. Your description fits my experience.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 04:12 AM
Jul 2013

And with twenty-three years of teaching high school students under my belt, I have some experience with them.

JimboBillyBubbaBob

(1,389 posts)
70. I am a teacher also and I like your idea of a lesson.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 11:24 AM
Jul 2013

I developed one on lynching in all its manifestations and it even had the Bubbas quiet in their seats. Keep in mind, I'm a 59 year old white guy in the south. They just need to have it put in their faces and shoved down their throats. There is nothing cool about racism and its presentation. It is ugly and needs to be shown as such.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
53. Weird. I really don't recall either myself or my friends
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 09:40 AM
Jul 2013

being anything like that in adolescence.

I think it would have freaked me out then as much as it would now.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
103. Me neither...then again, I will acknowledge that my upbringing was atypical.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 03:13 PM
Jul 2013

I was raised outside the USA for a good portion of my formative years, so I didn't get the full flavor of the American experience. However, I did get enough to know that there was bullying in school, but it wasn't quite so vicious, violent and unceasing as it 'seems' to be these days.

Of course, it could be that we're hearing about it more, and that magnifies the experiences. But in my heart, I have to say that I don't think it was quite this bad in the "old days," and I'm talking old days for the last fifty years or so.

I don't know if that "Mean Girls" film made us all more aware of it, or what...but I get the feeling that kids are just as uncertain as they have been down the years, but instead of masking the insecurity with quaint things like "hobbies" and "interests," many tend to dive into the 'net,' live virtually there, and/or put on a suit of snark armor and lash out at anyone who appears to be weaker than they are.

 

AAO

(3,300 posts)
141. I loved my father for instilling in me, liberal values.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 09:55 PM
Jul 2013

He gave me specific lessons (casually and unrehearsed) about racism, homophobia, and just how people must adopt societal norms to some extent for a society to function and thrive. Society has never lived up to Dad's ideals, but I have done my best to carry the flag, as best I can, on his behalf. If people would actually accept the US Constitution (not talking about 2nd Amendment here) and act accordingly (yeah, I looking at you Teabaggers) we wouldn't have half the problems we do today.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
101. Was the person who committed that crime a teenager?
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 03:07 PM
Jul 2013

I don't think so.

I am talking about youth, not mature adults.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
124. Yeah
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:14 PM
Jul 2013

and I'm talking about youth that just so happen to have racist attitudes. Learned where? Internet,movies, HOME?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
126. Why are you yelling at me?
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:40 PM
Jul 2013

Every time you reply to me, you do it in a confrontational manner.

I'm not interested in that sort of discourse.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
128. phhhffft
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:44 PM
Jul 2013

I'm not yelling. That's your bag. I am responding to your asinine logic that has been your hallmark in race centered stories on this site. That's all. My right to totally disagree with you. Free speech. I've called you no names or attacked in any personal manner, just don't agree with how you see things, and probably never will. No skin off my nose.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
130. You are apparently operating under a misapprehension as to my ethnicity.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:47 PM
Jul 2013

Not that I give a hoot what you think--you're rude, and boorish and I will not put up with further abuse from you.

And you have a nice day, too.



 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
131. doesn't
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 07:34 PM
Jul 2013

matter, your ethnicity. thomas, rice, zimmerman trial intern, and on and on. Hoot all you want and thank you. thomas, rice, zimmerman trial intern.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
132. You're plainly confusing me with someone else, and I don't want to indulge your
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 07:51 PM
Jul 2013

curious, false screeds.

Have a nice day.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
3. I don't know what to say
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 03:13 AM
Jul 2013

:HUG:
When I was a young woman I was always hyper aware when any groups of men approached. It was an uncomfortable feeling. People in groups will do things they would never do on their own. I am so sorry this happened to you.

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
11. Thanks for your compassion.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 03:48 AM
Jul 2013

I am happy to say hello to strangers on the street and make an effort to be friendly with the neighbors but being yelled-at/threatened by a group of teen aged strangers is an uncalled for intrusion on my privacy and my space.
I think you are smart to be hyper-aware when groups of men/boys approach.
We live in a violent society. Too often we read of teens, who beat a homeless man or some other horrible act of senseless destruction. And women are too often the target of men's violence.
I feel a bit like "gangs of New York" have invaded my quiet neighborhood.

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
5. I have had bottles thrown at me from cars as
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 03:24 AM
Jul 2013

i walked over a bail road overpass. Don't understand it. Quit trying.

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
31. Nope. The only thing that comes in glass bottles these days is beer.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 05:19 AM
Jul 2013

Figure the bottle was better than the bumper. I am a scruffy 70 yr. old. Might have thought I was a homeless target or something. No excuse. Like 7 year olds throwing rocks at cars. Thoughtless. I didn't take it as directed.

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
34. A bottle is better than bumper.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 05:30 AM
Jul 2013

A democrat is better than a republican.
Don't you hate always having to choose the lesser of two evils?

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
39. It is nice to have options though I am not really sure
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 05:51 AM
Jul 2013

I have ever really been given a choice. More a path of least resistance.

LeftinOH

(5,354 posts)
77. One kid alone is unlikely to do this; a group of kids-
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 11:57 AM
Jul 2013

well, that's another story. I never understood the dynamics of group/mob behavior.. even as a teenager. If you were able to ask them individually why they did it, they wouldn't have an answer --except to say "that's what everyone else was doing".

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
10. The Republicans ran the last election as if White Rule was on the ballot...
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 03:43 AM
Jul 2013

...and to the absolute SHOCK of a LOT of people they LOST.

This has caused a resurgence of the whole White Supremacy thing amongst the White Trash.

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
15. Yes. Open racism was popularized under W Bush
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 04:10 AM
Jul 2013

and has intensified 1000% percent since the election of President Obama.
Its really quite horrifying.
But the open racism is not really that usual in my corner of the universe. I live and work in an ethnically mixed part of an ethnically diverse town. I work in a public high school where 1/3rd of the students are black, 1/3rd white, and 1/3rd Asian/Pacific Islander/Other. That is how they are counted on enrollment documents but all are really brown.
I know the Klan is in town and they have membership, but they are not very vocal or visible.
Kids are kids and they egg each other into doing dumb things. I understand that. But, I don't like kids, who think calling others derogatory things and sounding threatening, is appropriate or acceptable, driving around my neighborhood or intruding on my peace.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
25. I was going to post something about Nixon's Southern strategy and Reagan's welfare queen
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 04:41 AM
Jul 2013

Then I noticed the key word: open racism. Yes, the election of Obama has really brought the pointy hoods out of storage. They are no longer even trying to hide their racism behind code words and dog whistles.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
30. You have to admit. Thanks to the web this period in history is being well documented....
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 05:00 AM
Jul 2013

A fact the racists STILL don't get. Future historians will look back at the beginning of the 21st Century as a major turning point.

Take comfort in the fact that there were no women in that car. There well could have been in the 50s.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
17. At work last week
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 04:12 AM
Jul 2013

I was called an A**hole by one of the vendors, I simply looked back at him and said "Yes, I Am."

The "Gentleman" who did the name calling is young and a bit full of himself, unfortunately he has to come back to work in the area where I am in charge on a daily basis. My original thought was to simply call his boss and have him barred from returning, but that would have the effect of him most likely losing his job and frankly the the workers in his position never last very long anyway (as his employer really doesn't treat their people very well) so I will simply not speak with him and he will eventually just go away.

It is certainly disturbing to have someone be nasty to you either personally or in such an impersonal matter as what happened to you. The best result is to not allow it to ruin your day.

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
21. My day wasn't ruined.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 04:22 AM
Jul 2013

I came in and shared the incident with my wife and mother-in-law.
We laughed and thought the kids were stupid.
It amazes me how people can be abusive toward others, who might have some power or influence over their lives. They never consider that someday they might need or want help from the very ones they abuse.
That, IMO, is kind of stupid.

TexasTowelie

(112,236 posts)
18. Some people only feel good about themselves if they demean others.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 04:14 AM
Jul 2013

I've talked about this with one of my friends. When he lived in Arlington, Texas he was called out as being gay because he rode his bicycle in bike shorts.

I've gotten the same treatment walking a few blocks to the store in Brenham without reason--I was wearing a T-shirt and Levis.

It can be hateful and disturbing, but don't let it get you down. There are plenty of stupid people in this world and you encountered the future Republicans of America.

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
22. Yeah, and those some people, who
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 04:31 AM
Jul 2013

demean others to feel better about themselves, are assholes. Especially if they are adults.
Sorry to hear that you and your friend are being harassed. Texas has some assholes too.
It does "get me down" that there are people with those behaviors and attitudes, but that has not been intensified by this evenings event.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
20. That's horrific. Sadly I think it means your neighborhood is deterioating.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 04:20 AM
Jul 2013

I have been called everything from "fa**ot" to retard and had cups of liquid thrown at me, firecrackers. I've been shaken down at knife point. At one point I was shot at. Bad neighborhoods breed bad people, sadly.

Hopefully it just means some idiots managed to get lost in your neighborhood and you're not looking at an encroaching deterioration. There is a culture out there that finds this sort of behavior perfectly fine.

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
24. Well, my story pales alongside the nasty encounters
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 04:41 AM
Jul 2013

you have experienced in your neighborhood. I hope you can remain safe there or move if you are unsafe.
Neighborhoods do go through cycles and I've been in this one long enough to witness several.
I don't think this particular neighborhood is on the downslide.
I live on an arterial, the kids were driving to the waterfront.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
32. I've since moved, thanks!
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 05:22 AM
Jul 2013

This is actually why my opinion is reenforced because I lived there 6 years and basically once a week I was assaulted or denigrated in some way or another. It was completely demoralizing but you eventually get used to it and grow a thick skin (engaging these types results in even more shit coming down on you so I always kept to myself and let them denigrate me).

Where I am now is completely peaceful, I can walk outside at any time of the day and be treated like any other person, even after some recent stuff that I brought with me from the ghetto (I won't get into it but let's just say some of my previous issues I picked up in that environment are known or at least suspected by my block, I can sense it in the attitudes I get, but the people are still overwhelmingly nice and comforting and even understanding; I go out at night at 1AM for a 6 mile run, it's been unbearably hot here thus the reason for the late night runs, and I have met some of the most wonderful people, it's a really nice change).

Those kids sound like disrespectful trash and I'm so sorry you had to deal with it. Part of me thinks it was some kind of initiation or peer pressure thing so if that's the case I hope you realize the idiot kid that did that probably doesn't sleep at night thinking about what a fucking asshole they were. Hopefully if that's the case, and they do feel remorse for giving into egging on and peer pressure, they stop hanging out with those other people. I fear that maybe they don't care, but I'm going to think positively on this one and just hope for the best for you and for that kid that harassed you.

Best of luck and apologies if I assumed the worst there, I was about to go on a run and I just remembered the environment I just came from and it felt like, damn, your neighborhood is going to shit. I hope that's not the case, sincerely.

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
35. I'm glad you moved.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 05:40 AM
Jul 2013

Everyone should be treated with respect by others they meet on the street. But, alas, its just not so.
When Kerry was running against Bush I put a sign in my yard saying Bush could steal one election, but not two. The sign was stolen the first night it was out.
I was discussing the incident at school the next day and to my surprise a student came up to me and confessed to being in on the sign stealing caper. He and other ROTC students had been stealing Kerry signs all over town. They took me to the signs, stashed in the woods near the school.
ROTC had the kids do some community service to pay their due. they confessed and they learned a lesson.
Several of those students became close to me before graduating and one still comes back and visits.
They did not know it was my sign when they took it.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
38. That story actually warms my heart.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 05:47 AM
Jul 2013

That a student would confess to stealing a sign (a felony I think, if a DA went to the fullest extent of the law). I like that story at lot. It means that people can still understand what they did wrong and that they'll remedy it when they're faced with the repercussions.

Fortunately I've never had to deal with sign theft though I know it is rampant in every election and sign thieves are the worst (why bother? I'll never understand it). I did have a Dean sign up back in 2004 but that was during the primaries and I removed it when he started losing. But it wasn't even taken down by Kerry fans or even anti-Dems. It sat there in my yard, in a deeply southern state, until I removed it. My bumber sticker remained pro-Dean until I sold my car. No scratches, no abuse of that kind. I know it happens and I read about it a lot but somehow I managed to avoid it. I did have an Obama sticker on my car (edit: in 2008) but that didn't change that my radio was stolen, antenna snapped off, and back window smashed in. I think the hooligans / thieves are apolitical. Maybe that's the problem.

Raine

(30,540 posts)
23. I'm a white female and ever since I can remember I've hated to be around a group of boys or men
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 04:34 AM
Jul 2013

that are driving around or hanging out and the white ones are the absolute worst. I don't know how many times I have had catcalls, and rude crude remarks directed my way, it's been many times. It's hard to brush it aside, it's not only hurtful and demeaning but threatening too because they feel free enough that they can do it.

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
26. All the behaviors you describe are unacceptable
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 04:45 AM
Jul 2013

in civilized society.
It is a gross liberty fro men or groups of men to take with women. Especially when women are alone.
It is not complimentary or flattering, it is intrusive and threatening.
Good thing for all the catcallers that you aren't George Zimmerman.

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
46. As odd as it sounds,
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 08:54 AM
Jul 2013

I'm a white male and have felt the same way around groups of white males (and females) I don't know ever since I can remember. There does seem to be a cultural (not racial) strain that says they can be more arrogant and obnoxious than other groups by unwritten right.

But once I know they are liberals I tend to relax much more because a lot of liberals have become liberals as a response to those attitudes amongst their own cultural group. It's the right wing and apolitical ones that seem to be the most offensive to me.



brush

(53,785 posts)
71. That cultural stain . . .
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 11:30 AM
Jul 2013

is really "white privilege" and it is, IMHO, racial in their entitled arrogance, even over other groups.

I think we're also going through a last gasp spasm of racism coming from these types who sense that the country is changing demographically and their grip on predominance is fading. And it's symbolized to them by a black man being in the White House.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
63. Oh, heavens, I hate groups of men/boys, too. Being a young female around such groups
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 10:58 AM
Jul 2013

is horrendous. The catcalls, etc., and even overt attempts to grab you. I'm old now and don't get that kind of attention any more, thank god. But it was horrible, threatening, insulting, and demeaning. It's no wonder that so many women are wary of men in general.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
88. I'm 53 and a grandmother now.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 12:29 PM
Jul 2013

My hair went gray early, and I stopped covering it up in my late 30s. It's been a couple of decades since anybody sent those kinds of remarks my way.

I grew up with them, though. I was physically precocious, and looked 16 when I was 11/12. As the only child of a single mother with no extended family, I grew up knowing that males valued my body, not me, and spent my years, teen through younger adulthood, trying unsuccessfully to "hide" to avoid that kind of attention.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
37. I don't get the thrill of being nasty toward strangers.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 05:46 AM
Jul 2013

It's an attempt assuage their own fears of their own inferiority by lashing out at the perceived cause of their fears. It is perpetuated and kept alive through ignorance and societal divisions that are solely man-made. In their mind, if they ''lose'' to this enemy, they lose all value. Because they've been taught to define their worth and value as a human in terms of their belief of being ''better'' than this ''___(Fill-in-the-blank)___'' other.

This teaching serves a larger system that depends upon our dissension within the ranks, prejudices, hatreds and fears of other ethnicities, religions, nationalities, colors, anything and everything that will keep us from coming together as ONE. That is its sole purpose.

And unfortunately it still works, but not as well as it once did. Hence the renewed efforts to stir society up by TPTB. This incident is no doubt, an ancillary effect of that effort. TPTB have a direct and vested interest in keeping the system the way it is, for as long as possible. Lest they lose all control and power, which they are.

But even these efforts are failing apart because people are starting to recognize (or admit due to overwhelming evidence) -- some for the first time -- that it's all -- everything -- is based upon lies. Their time is over and they know it.

- They do what they do because they don't know what else to do. And their hearts are too dark to admit they were wrong.....

K&R

belcffub

(595 posts)
41. I never understood that nastiness towards strangers either
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 08:06 AM
Jul 2013

About two years back I used to walk with a group of guys at lunch (I go to the gym now). One day the four of us were walking and this kid walked passed us and about five feet or so behind us and yells "what a bunch of faggy ass white guys". We didn't say anything... more in shock then anything else... we walked daily and are always polite... go single file on the sidewalk to allow people to pass... never do anything... just a bunch of middle aged guys out for a walk at lunch... never had in issue when walking for 4 or 5 years of doing it... just seemed so weird... I don't understand people sometimes... we have turned it into some kind of a joke when we look back at it... just laugh it off...

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
42. How awful. So much hatefulness and stupidity. Two weeks after I was born,
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 08:34 AM
Jul 2013

my mother went by herself to run an errand nearby. A group of men in a car approached, and one of them wanted to pinch or pat her bottom. They miscalculated and she was hit by the car, which send her flying several feet. Thankfully, her injuries were not life threatening, but serious enough to be hospitalized for several days.

Group mentality a scary, scary thing

Orrex

(63,215 posts)
43. You've got some nerve, watering your own garden
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 08:34 AM
Jul 2013

Who the heck do you think you are?



In addition, what a bunch of assholes. Too bad you couldn't blast them with the hose.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
44. I just avoid eye contact with people - too many drama queens.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 08:43 AM
Jul 2013

Such as these boys who accosted you.

Seems like so many people ache for involvement with others, but who feel only abusiveness is the acceptable way to engage with others.

No. You (in general) may not be to blame for being poorly-raised, but I am also not to blame for being raised to respect myself and carry myself with dignity. So, I'd prefer my own company, thank you very much. K&R

raccoon

(31,111 posts)
45. Why are some people nasty to strangers? Two reasons I can think of right of.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 08:45 AM
Jul 2013

1- A-non-y-mi-ty. Most people won't do that if they know the person(s) they're being nasty to. If they know they'll
see that person at the local grocery store, their school, church, etc., they wouldn't do that. One of the consequences of
living in a large city or a more mobile society than most of us did in past decades.

2- No consequences. These people know, in all probability, they won't have to face consequences for their ugly behavior.

I wish when these turkeys throw things at pedestrians or bicyclists, someone could get their license number and report them to the cops. That's assault, and battery if it hits you. I do realize that when you're the pedestrian or bicyclist, their license number won't likely be the first thing to come to mind...

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
56. You fail to account for motive, though.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 10:10 AM
Jul 2013

You have opportunity down, but there has to be something that DRIVES someone to be nasty to a stranger.

In other words, when you encounter a new person, do you feel hostility automatically?

HillWilliam

(3,310 posts)
47. Hoddang. I'm so sorry a ratty bunch of kids tried to steal your day
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 09:04 AM
Jul 2013

I guess I had a pretty sheltered upbringing. I never heard the N-bomb until I was 9 or 10. I had to ask my granddad what that meant. (I was afraid it was pretty bad so I knew I could ask granddaddy privately.) I still believe today what he told me then: it's a trashy word usually surrounded by trashy behavior.

If that's what those kids are willing to display in public, one shudders to think what kind of behavior goes on at home where most folks can't see...

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
48. so sorry you had to endure this
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 09:08 AM
Jul 2013

Hopefully the kids in that car will regret this one day. I think so. I know I did things at that age that I now regret, but thank god none of them encompassed racism.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
49. This reminds me of an incident several years back
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 09:16 AM
Jul 2013

I was walking down the street, in the middle of the day, near a local lesbian bar. A kid on the opposite sidewalk, probably no older than 11 or 12, looked at me with such hate in his eyes and yelled, "Dyke!" Now, I just so happened to be a lesbian and it wasn't that he called me a "dyke" that bothered me so much as the hate that was in is eyes. I couldn't help but wonder what he was learning at home. Now that I think back on it, I wonder what happened to him at home to make him so hateful at such a young age.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
79. oh
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 12:01 PM
Jul 2013

I encounter that type of hate in white peoples eyes all the time now. It seems the election of a man of color over neocon racists, coupled with the Martin murder circumstances have emboldened amerikas substantial racist sub-grouping that comprises 47% of the electorate. Did I say subgroup? Scratch that.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
81. Yeah, it's never comfortable to see that look of hatred aimed at you for
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 12:06 PM
Jul 2013

nothing other than the color of your skin or your sexuality (particularly if you're obviously homosexual).

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
92. I find that it is fairly typical of the young
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 01:30 PM
Jul 2013

perhaps they just feel threatened, but many is the time I have been biking around strange parts and had some little five year old kid - cute little kid, yelling at me and shaking his fist. Being so small I cannot hear what they say, but the hostile attitude is clear.

In many ways, it is just animal behaviour, like the little dog yapping at all the people and other dogs going by his yard. Gotta defend the territory - even when you are clearly too small to defend anything.

It is not just homophobia either. As a male who had worn his hair long, I often get shouts of "hippie" as I go by or "get a haircut".

But even rednecks face it. I bought a straw hat (so I could goto fireman's dances) but I found that I could seemingly not wear it without having somebody mockingly yell "yee haw" as I walked past.

And I suspect that some of the crap I take is based on the fact that I look skinny and weak and thus look like a safe target.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
50. They suffer from an acute case of
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 09:32 AM
Jul 2013

testosterone poisoning coupled with raging case of racist flu.

usually in a situation like that, there is one that is the carrier, the typhoid mary if you will, the others just go along because they are just either too stupid or fearful of the carrier.

I went to high school with many of these disease carriers only to discover years later at the reunion just how remorseful they were and were all sorts of apologetic.

I had no patience with them then and I had no patience with them when they "apologized".

treestar

(82,383 posts)
51. I'm so sorry
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 09:35 AM
Jul 2013

there is no excuse for that and their parents should have raised them a lot better.

could be some Zimmerman fallout. I like the idea of the unit in your history class.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
55. The teenagers displayed some very bad behavior. However, I doubt that it was directed at
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 10:06 AM
Jul 2013

you personally in any way. More likely, you happened to be there at a moment that they were
looking for anyone to insult. They were showing off for each others' amusement.

ctsnowman

(1,903 posts)
58. I drive a prius
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 10:26 AM
Jul 2013

and had the same type of shit happen to me. I call it Prius envy. Faggot seems to be a favorite among the toughest ones.
One night in a drive through lane, I had a couple punks in a car pretend to ram me from behind. I am so glad I didn't have my baseball bat with me.

Hang in there.

Botany

(70,516 posts)
59. The word "n****r" is in common use by many young people now in large part to ....
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 10:37 AM
Jul 2013

... its use in popular music and in certain social situations* and although it is an
awful word with a brutal history some people using it do not see it that way.

Without knowing all the facts in the case these teens were just being dumb ass
kids and that has been going on and on for many many years. They might do stupid
random acts of vandalism but I doubt that they will come back to "terrorize" your family.

* the African American quarterback of my son's high school football team and had
played football and had been friends with him for years used to come up to him
(he is white) in the halls of the high school and say, "what's up my n****r?" and give
him a hug.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
61. Lord of the Flies
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 10:39 AM
Jul 2013

should be required reading for all High Schoolers with plenty of time to discuss the issues raised.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
62. I guess the media, the courts and vocal racists have all
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 10:45 AM
Jul 2013

permitted and endorsed and excused such action as part of the norm in society.

I too cannot understand why such vocal (and not just subtle) intollerance has become the accepted mode of behaviour.

My only hope is that one or more of those kids in the car will remember this moment and at some point feel some level of shame and regret. Enough that they will talk to their own kids about it, because frankly they will never talk to their peers about it. Your classroom lesson could certainly be very powerful. Raising awarness to the social psychology of group think helps them fight and buck group think.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
64. Sorry this happened, glad you are a teacher, hope you are allowed enough time/leeway to introduce
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 11:05 AM
Jul 2013

your very important lesson to the class.

Being nasty to strangers is very common on the internet. I'd suggest bringing that up.

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
153. I'm proud to finally be a member of that club.
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 02:25 PM
Jul 2013

Actually I am sure I was initiated into the club many years ago and have been re-nominated many times since. But thanks for the toast.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
66. Shit heads!
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 11:12 AM
Jul 2013

Using this nasty experience as a way to teach others is commendable, thank you for doing that.

marble falls

(57,102 posts)
72. The reason you don't get "the thril of being nasty to strangers" is that ....
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 11:33 AM
Jul 2013

you aren't an ignorant coward.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
73. Well...
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 11:34 AM
Jul 2013

But I've been called "queer" "faggot" "homo" "cocksucker" and the like at least every month from the 6th grade on. It slacked off a bit (used to be daily) after I left school but to this day, at age 56, it hasn't disappeared. And I'm not a drag queen, or even limp wristed with a lisp. I do like bright shirts and talk about ballet, opera, theatre and classical music a lot though.

Anyway.... this guy has had a charmed life. It's nice to know someone can get upset by name calling. I've become so tired of it, I don't care anymore what anyone calls me.


P.S. In Jr. High for a while there I was called a "kike" and "fuckin' Jew-boy" (I'm not Jewish).... to which I would answer "I'm Presbyterian!". "Don't lie about it, Jew!" is the answer I would get. I would just say "Fine... Mazel tov everyone!" This is when I learned the truth rarely matters over what people want to think.

narnian60

(3,510 posts)
115. Wow.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 04:57 PM
Jul 2013

Unbelievable. I was teased a lot for being tall & flat-chested, and it hurt, but what you had to tolerate--wow.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
133. I'm no martyr
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 08:41 PM
Jul 2013

That's for sure.... I got beaten up a couple of times, and my artwork vandalized....and when I got home both my parents told me every time it was my fault....

But many other people had and have it worse. And that was in the 70's.... Today RuPaul has TWO show on TV... TWO! I'd never have believed it back then that such a thing could be.. but things have moved forward.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
74. that's
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 11:48 AM
Jul 2013

how hitler did it. Control of group behavior. The neocons are using that playbook. Expect this type of racist white behavior to happen more and more, and don't expect the MSM to mention it much.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
78. "I don't get the thrill of being nasty toward strangers"
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 12:00 PM
Jul 2013

I know right? Daily occurrence on the Internet though. Sorry that happened to you in your own neighborhood.

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
82. I used to take long walks along the back roads
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 12:07 PM
Jul 2013

in my town. Several times I had bottles or cans hurled at me from passing cars full of teen boys. Never when there were just one or two in the car - always a full house.

Something about the group dynamic that brings out stupid and cruel behavior.

I was never injured, but the experience was always terrifying.

Glad nothing worse happened to you.

 

Apophis

(1,407 posts)
83. I'm sorry this happened to you, iemitsu.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 12:09 PM
Jul 2013

I like that you're going to turn this into a learning experience for the kids in the fall. Good for you. I hope they learn something.

Getting called a n***** is a weekly occurrence for me. I live in a small town and there aren't very many minorities around, so seeing one if foreign to them.

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
156. It sucks that life is still like that in small town America.
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 05:47 PM
Jul 2013

Though I live in a diverse city and neighborhood, the small towns (that have become suburbs) surrounding the urban core still retain much of the old rural flavor.
As a child I imagined that life in such a community would be ideal. But after becoming involved in an inter-racial relationship I came to realize that urban life is more comfortable for those categorized as " the other".
Where I live and work everyone has an ethnically diverse family (not really everyone but it is common). My family (siblings and spouses, their children and their spouses) includes: Euro-Americans, Asians (Japanese), Hispanic-Asians (Filipinos), African-Americans, Caribbean-Islanders - Dominicans (mixed ancestry), Latin-Americans - Ecuadorians (mixed ancestry), and Native-Americans - Pacific Northwest Tribal affiliations.
Last year in class, I had a tall thin student with a Vietnamese last name. He was half Vietnamese and half Black. I thought it somewhat unusual for a Vietnamese man to marry an African-American woman so I asked him about his family. Both of his parents are also half Black and half Vietnamese. Their fathers were American servicemen during the war. As mixed race and illegitimate children they suffered discrimination at many levels and both eventually found their way into relocation programs for the children of American veterans. They met in the US, and their wonderfully, tall and handsome, "Black" son with a Vietnamese last name is the result.
It is nice to live around people, whose experiences are somewhat like yours.
I believe that small towns can and will accept the "other" but only in that role, the other. A defined role that all you accomplish will be filtered through.
Maybe one can't escape that reality anywhere but it is less obvious in the city.

wtmusic

(39,166 posts)
87. Not sure why random nastiness is so unsettling -
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 12:27 PM
Jul 2013

it is for me too.

His attitude will have far greater implications for his future than yours.

ellennelle

(614 posts)
89. ashamed to be white
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 01:04 PM
Jul 2013

more and more.

i can only apologize that this ever happened to you at all.

i blame the shock jocks and the hate spewing from fox 24/7, and the high-ranking government officials who will not condemn such attitudes and actions.

here's hoping the rest of the drive-by gang was embarrassed and shunned the pathetic kid's attempts to "fit in."

here's hoping they never come back, at least not to harass you further; coming back to apologize would of course be nice.

AndyA

(16,993 posts)
93. Those kids think it's OK since respect, tolerance, and consideration for others are foreign to them
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 01:34 PM
Jul 2013

Their parents probably listen to right wing radio, which stirs up a lot of anger and fear among their listeners--those with tiny minds that barely function and don't question what they're told as long as it fits in with what they believe.

It sure seems to me that we've taken a huge step backward as a society when it comes to equality, women's rights, and having respect for your fellow citizens.

I'm sorry you had to endure that attack. I hope it's the last time such a thing ever happens to you.

 

TRoN33

(769 posts)
94. I was raised to be very respect toward the elders...
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 01:37 PM
Jul 2013

No matter what background they are from and what their beliefs are, my dad taught me to be very gentleman and be respectful of elders. I'm sorry for what happened to you. Its wrong. These teenage idiots were taught to hate and to prejudice all their life and its unfortunate for them, not you. You are very proud and stand tall, most of people already respect you for who you are.

ewagner

(18,964 posts)
97. As a friend of mine once pointed out...
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 02:11 PM
Jul 2013
"Ronald Reagan taught us to be comfortable with our prejudices"...

The modern GOP ....teaches white Americans to be PROUD OF THEIR PREJUDICES

Warpy

(111,270 posts)
98. Teenagers, possibly drunk, do find a thrill in being hateful
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 02:32 PM
Jul 2013

especially when they're protected by a shell of metal going too fast for a person on foot to catch.

Most of them will eventually sass the wrong person and have cause to regret it and grow into reasonable adults. A few will stay punks all their lives.

You, however, possess a great deal of worth they will likely never know. Pity them and move on.

They'll hate that most of all.

DissidentVoice

(813 posts)
99. Inexcusable...and cowardly
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 02:33 PM
Jul 2013

It's very easy for them to do that while driving by.

I'd bet they wouldn't do it face-to-face.

Common Sense Party

(14,139 posts)
108. Cultural entropy.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 03:36 PM
Jul 2013

Teens have always been jerks with low impulse-control (I know; I was one once). But it does seem that as society disintegrates more and more, there is less inhibition, less respect, less kindness.

mountain grammy

(26,623 posts)
109. When I was 11, our adult male neighbor looked my mom in the eye and called her a dirty Jew.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 04:01 PM
Jul 2013

We were playing ball in the back yard and when the ball rolled into his yard, he wouldn't give it back. My mom politely asked him to give the kid's back their ball. He looked at her and said "get out, you dirty Jew!" That was in Enfield, Ct. in 1959.

Wow! My first thought was "we're not dirty."

Still plenty of haters around. I'm really sorry about your experience. It's so mean and hurtful and unnecessary.

hamsterjill

(15,222 posts)
116. As you said, age is a factor, too.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 05:01 PM
Jul 2013

First, I'm sorry that you had to endure this. No one should have to!

I'm in my fifties, too, and a white female. I've gotten smart ass remarks from punks before while waiting in line somewhere, while putting gas in my car, and at my home, as well. You hit the nail on the head as to the group behavior. What one of them might not do when alone, they seem to have a real need to impress their friends when several of them are together. This, at the expense of others.

Little do these twerps understand that THEY, too, will age. That is IF they are lucky.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
118. Shame you had to put up with that crap. Have you ever watched The Dome ?
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 05:34 PM
Jul 2013

Now THAT would have been a nice surprise for the carload of nasties.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
121. America is mean.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 05:40 PM
Jul 2013

I'm sorry and hate to hear what happened, but I think it's gonna get worse before it gets better.
This country has major issues to deal with.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
122. Two things I just want to share:
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 05:41 PM
Jul 2013

If Calhoun's research on overpopulation is accurate, we're seeing the negative behaviors commensurate with this oft-ignored global stressor.

Perhaps William Ryan's "Blaming the Victim" might help your students see how we identify "others" and then create self-fulfilling reasons to vilify or isolate "others."

My baby sister married a man who counted among his ancestors African-Americans, Native Americans, and Caucasian-Americans. His skin was the color of milk chocolate. My sister and I were tow-heads, and pale. He and my sister helped me move to north Arkansas in the mid-80s. We stopped at a little diner in Hope, Arkansas for breakfast, and the entire restaurant reacted negatively. Customers left. The wait staff congregated as far from us as they could, and--for twenty minutes--debated who would serve us. Finally, the oldest waitress came over and slammed three glasses of water in front of us, took our order, and left--all without saying a word. Kobe, my BIL, helped keep my sister and me calm, and said we should politely accept our food, leave a tip as per usual (20%, even in those days), and be unflinchingly polite even in the face of this hatred. It took forty minutes to get our breakfast. We ate and talked and paid and left...

Kobe died in Costa Rica a year ago this August. I miss him every day.

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
152. Once, about 20 years ago, I attended an educational conference
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 02:23 PM
Jul 2013

in New Mexico. I and two co-workers (both women, an elderly blonde and an AA woman. I am German and Irish.) drove to the event from the northwest. On our return trip we passed through Montana and somewhere in the mountains we stopped at a busy diner for lunch. The sign at the counter asked customers to seat themselves, and so we did. There were dozens of people in the place and a full wait and kitchen staff was available to meet their needs.
We sat and waited for service. We watched as those, who came in after us were served, and attempted to get the attention of a wait person. They, the restaurant employees, all successfully managed to avoid noticing our need.
It was as if we were invisible.
We were there for a bit more than an hour and no one ever addressed us or responded to our attempts to get attention.
Eventually, we just left.
Businesses, and their employees, don't treat customers that way in the Puget Sound basin. None of us expected to be treated like that, in Montana.
Our culture (probably driven by our economic system) does stress that victims are themselves to blame for their own victimhood. I suppose it is our way of dealing with life, in an environment where we can't meet the needs of too many. Rather than examine a system that creates such need we blame the needy.

 

kardonb

(777 posts)
125. abuse `
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:25 PM
Jul 2013

My husband always has a saying , and he is so right " one boy = one brain . two boys = 1/2 a brain , 3 boys = no brain at all .
Besides that , their parents have not instilled respect in them for other people , regardless of how they look .

a car , 3 testosterone laden kids = disaster .

johnnyreb

(915 posts)
127. Dear iemitsu,
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:43 PM
Jul 2013

I am fifty-five, white, born and raised in the capital of the former Confederacy. You are my American countryman and neighbor, and wherever our paths may cross, you will be my friend.

stlsaxman

(9,236 posts)
134. PLEASE video or record your lessons around this event...
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 08:47 PM
Jul 2013

I would LOVE to see/hear it.

All best to you, Good Sir!

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
135. i can imagine the father of many of the kids such as the ones you mentioned coming
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 08:56 PM
Jul 2013

home each night, fearful of his situation at work ( Boss upset, wages not enough,bills to pay) and just taking his anger out on the whole family.

Economic insecurity effecting the adults in a family must have a huge effect on the children. If thats the case as so many of you have mentioned this kind of dumb mindless behavior must be on the rise..

 

Blue Palasky

(81 posts)
137. good for you for wanting help their ignorance.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 09:05 PM
Jul 2013

as for me, I hope they drove head first into a ditch at full speed.

 

AAO

(3,300 posts)
139. Talk about making lemonade!
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 09:39 PM
Jul 2013

That was a terrible thing they did. No doubt about that. I just think the 2 things you wanted to teach "psychology of group behavior, the identification of the other in society", should be available to all kids - at a young age and reinforced as they grow older. You could apply that to racial, as well as LGBTQ attitudes. We need more kids to grow up caring about all people, not just specific approved groups. What you are doing will transcend the impact of these kids. Kick some ass!!

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
144. I doubt very seriously any of those boys will be in your history class.. sorry to say.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 11:06 PM
Jul 2013

It seems that in these times, we're seeing more hatred than ever. This is what happens when a society's wealth goes from the bottom to the very top. No education, no jobs, no security .. we create morons.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
145. I'm horrified
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 12:20 AM
Jul 2013

What the fuck has been unleashed? I guess a leaking wound is preferable to pretending the strange scars aren't there. This is crap being dredged up from 150 years ago. Doesn't make it okay.

I had an ageism thing thrown at me by a bunch of drunk teenagers at a store. I flipped them off but I was shocked.

Mannerless thugs.

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
158. I like your phrase,"... a leaking wound is preferable to pretending
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 06:12 PM
Jul 2013

the strange scars aren't there.".
In so many ways we are encouraged to live whatever fantasy life we like. To hell with history, reason, evidence, common sense, or human decency.
We need to move on from events, which wound and scar us, but we must not forget what it was that caused the harm, so that we are not harmed in the same way twice.
Teenagers, drunk, are the worst.

 

DontTreadOnMe

(2,442 posts)
147. Racism seems to be very regional in the United States
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 02:09 AM
Jul 2013

I live in the NorthEast, and I rarely ever see overt racism. Of course it exists, but at least younger people do not express it so openly. Racism is a learned trait. Someone teaches this behavior. And it is often encouraged in some communities.

Such an ugly part of our society.

I wonder if there are any studies that indicate any relation to poverty levels to racist attacks. It seems to me that when times are good, racism goes down. When times get tough, especially unemployment levels - racism goes up.

I remember when I was in Junior High School, and we started listening to Frank Zappa records. The classic 1967 song "Trouble Every Day" really stuck out to me... in the middle of the song Frank interrupts and and declares

"Hey, you know something people?
I'm not black
But there's a whole lots a times
I wish I could say I'm not white."

That really hit me, and I was only 15 at the time.

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
151. I live in NYC and I'm a native New Yorker.
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 05:39 AM
Jul 2013

I experience racism in some way shape or form on a daily basis or at the very least every three days. The only time I didn't feel racism, or one that I cared about or felt something from was in London. However in NYC...that chip on my shoulder from experiencing racism, came back with a vengeance. I'm an Afro-Caribbean female.

I'm just saying it's not regional. Racism is all around. If it is not verbal words, it's in behaviour, or it's the institutionalized fact. And Racial profiling is prevalent in the North East, particularly sweeps. I know my area goes around a sweep or walk through by the cops every few months.

great white snark

(2,646 posts)
161. Don't mean to hijack this important topic but..
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 07:14 PM
Jul 2013

Damn it's good to see you. Your perceptive input is sorely missed.
Hope you are well.

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
163. Hey GWS! How are you?!
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 09:30 PM
Jul 2013

I've missed everyone here too. It's been a tough year. New teacher at NYC schools is not sweet. Almost quit my job. So I was working through the ups and downs of teaching for the year. I found a new school, with a very encouraging principal so I am hopeful I can do a lot of cool things, this coming year in order to make a name for myself in my field. I hope all is well with you.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
154. Damn. I'm so sorry that happened.
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 02:26 PM
Jul 2013

Deep down the little shits know they're little shits so they're looking for a way to make themselves feel powerful and important...Pretty pathetic.

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