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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI am 58 years old and this has never happened to me until today.
After dinner this evening as I was watering the front garden, a car full of teen aged boys drove by and one leaned out the passenger window and yelled, "Fuck you N*****!".
No one has ever yelled that at me before.
My back was to the street and so I had to turn around to see who was threatening me. A dumb white kid, surrounded by other white kids, was hanging out the passenger side window. Clearly proud of his bravado, he wore a huge grin and displayed an extended middle finger, as he accosted me for the entertainment of his friends.
I must admit I was surprised to be assaulted in this fashion. I have lived in this neighborhood since I was five, kids don't drive around verbally harassing old people here. At least not to my knowledge.
And I have German and Irish ancestry. And look like it.
Regardless of this fact, it was an unnerving moment. In my own front yard, minding my own business and teenagers intrude in my life in such an ugly way.
I don't suppose they will return to terrorize me or my family but I can imagine how one might feel if that threat was real.
I hope, one or more of the kids in that car, find themselves in my history class this coming fall. I plan to develop a lesson around this event, highlighting the psychology of group behavior, the identification of the other in society, and the use of racial epithets and other derogatory language toward innocent bystanders, and the impact that has on those accosted.
I don't get the thrill of being nasty toward strangers.
Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)If you aren't AA, it seems odd they would shout it at you; though, I will say it has happened to me twice and I am white, with an olive complexion. For people like that, it is the "thrill" of being heard; it's that simple. It is nasty and hurtful, and if you are by yourself, it can be very scary. It doesn't matter if it is what was yelled at you, what I get much more often, "FAGGOT!", or someone yelling "nice tits, baby!" IMO, it is a form of personal terrorism.
I am glad to hear you are going to make a lesson of this, that is the BEST response!
iemitsu
(3,888 posts)It is the behavior of terrorists and in some circumstances I would be frightened by the incident.
Unknown to the joy-riding teenagers, behind the walls of my house sat my ethnically mixed wife and her mother, who has no European ancestors. I have seen ugly behavior and heard ugly comments before, just never been called the N word by strangers.
HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)Milgram Experiment done at Yale U. (IIRC) in the late 50s. Don't have any links at the ready for you, but it will show how group think and authoritarianism (under color of 'science') go hand-in-hand.
iemitsu
(3,888 posts)I am familiar with the Milgram experiment and can work that into the plan.
High school students are fascinated by psychological experiments and the implications of psychology on society.
Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)I have used it several times, usually a variation. If you aren't familiar, let me know. I used to do diversity presentations all the time for college students. If you need any help, shoot me a PM.
iemitsu
(3,888 posts)I think the kids in my building read that in the 9th grade.
brush
(53,785 posts)Are you of mixed ancestry? I'm not understanding why they would do that if you are white.
On another note, I feel unfortunately that because of the zimmerman verdict the racists feel they have free reign to do this kind of stuff now, and even worse, because they can get away with.
Papagoose
(428 posts)Just some people's "ultimate insult" word I guess.
I also had the misfortune of being the victim of gay-bashing despite not being gay. Walking alone one evening I was surrounded by a group of young men and physically beaten into near unconsciousness while they yelled anti-gay slurs at me.
brush
(53,785 posts)I hope all of this is just a last gasp spasm of racism as a result of our country's changing demographic and having a black man in the White House.
iemitsu
(3,888 posts)The name calling dehumanizes the prey and legitimizes the attack. Packs of kids are more dangerous than packs of wolves because they can rationalize any behavior they like.
I'm sorry you were victimized, and hope you have recovered as well as you can.
trof
(54,256 posts)Papagoose
(428 posts)And every day I look forward to the day I can move back to Philadelphia!
iemitsu
(3,888 posts)My back was to the street, I'm old and have white hair (the part that not translucent), or, as the post above suggests, it was just an insult.
Who knows?
I am married to a mixed race woman, and her non-Euro mother lives with my wife and me, so I am a bit sensitive about the use of racial slurs. I have heard plenty of them, perhaps many more than my wife or her mother. But overt racism is not prevalent in this town or neighborhood. I was more surprised and dismayed than hurt by the incident.
I agree that Americans feel they have license to treat others in any nasty fashion they want. Overt racism is clearly on the rise lately. I hope we can put a stop to that trend.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I think they believe it makes them tough--it's like armor or something.
I wouldn't be surprised if your bellowing, finger waving, N word hollering, nitwit in a motor vehicle wasn't goaded on to that display of moronic bravado by his equally stupid companions.
They love the goading, too. It's an odd fad.
villager
(26,001 posts)Alas.
meti57b
(3,584 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)Unfortunately.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Sometimes it's the failure of the written word (when people's intent is misconstrued), but other times it's "I don't like you/your opinion so I am going to say something insulting about your character to compensate for my inability to come up with a counter-argument!" Thus, we see conversations that start out about a topic, and end up with poop flinging. Other times, it's long - standing feuds. With no more "forced ignore" we see more of that.
It's way less civil around here lately, but in a way, taking the long view, looking at the Big Picture...at least we know where that's coming from and can avoid it.
It used to be "the mods," using their standards of "decency" or "civil discourse," made the decision as to what posts just went "POOF" and what ones were allowed to stand. If one wasn't around when the offending post was made, it was like it never even happened, and we didn't get the 'full flavor' of an individual's personality. Now, we know, and can act accordingly!
villager
(26,001 posts)The whole site feels like a giant "Gungeon" sometimes!
But the "broken" communications do seem on the uprise, perhaps because the actual political situation is continually imploding, and people feel increasingly desperate...
MADem
(135,425 posts)Dating myself, with that reference!
villager
(26,001 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)AAO
(3,300 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)AAO
(3,300 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)iemitsu
(3,888 posts)Maybe not just the boys, teenaged girls can be pretty mean too.
Bravado can be worn as armor but once the armor comes off you find a kid inside. Usually a pretty needy kid, who wants some attention.
MADem
(135,425 posts)The nice kids who get positive attention just don't seem to feel as much if any of a need to lash out.
iemitsu
(3,888 posts)And with twenty-three years of teaching high school students under my belt, I have some experience with them.
JimboBillyBubbaBob
(1,389 posts)I developed one on lynching in all its manifestations and it even had the Bubbas quiet in their seats. Keep in mind, I'm a 59 year old white guy in the south. They just need to have it put in their faces and shoved down their throats. There is nothing cool about racism and its presentation. It is ugly and needs to be shown as such.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)being anything like that in adolescence.
I think it would have freaked me out then as much as it would now.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I was raised outside the USA for a good portion of my formative years, so I didn't get the full flavor of the American experience. However, I did get enough to know that there was bullying in school, but it wasn't quite so vicious, violent and unceasing as it 'seems' to be these days.
Of course, it could be that we're hearing about it more, and that magnifies the experiences. But in my heart, I have to say that I don't think it was quite this bad in the "old days," and I'm talking old days for the last fifty years or so.
I don't know if that "Mean Girls" film made us all more aware of it, or what...but I get the feeling that kids are just as uncertain as they have been down the years, but instead of masking the insecurity with quaint things like "hobbies" and "interests," many tend to dive into the 'net,' live virtually there, and/or put on a suit of snark armor and lash out at anyone who appears to be weaker than they are.
AAO
(3,300 posts)He gave me specific lessons (casually and unrehearsed) about racism, homophobia, and just how people must adopt societal norms to some extent for a society to function and thrive. Society has never lived up to Dad's ideals, but I have done my best to carry the flag, as best I can, on his behalf. If people would actually accept the US Constitution (not talking about 2nd Amendment here) and act accordingly (yeah, I looking at you Teabaggers) we wouldn't have half the problems we do today.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I don't think so.
I am talking about youth, not mature adults.
and I'm talking about youth that just so happen to have racist attitudes. Learned where? Internet,movies, HOME?
MADem
(135,425 posts)Every time you reply to me, you do it in a confrontational manner.
I'm not interested in that sort of discourse.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)I'm not yelling. That's your bag. I am responding to your asinine logic that has been your hallmark in race centered stories on this site. That's all. My right to totally disagree with you. Free speech. I've called you no names or attacked in any personal manner, just don't agree with how you see things, and probably never will. No skin off my nose.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Not that I give a hoot what you think--you're rude, and boorish and I will not put up with further abuse from you.
And you have a nice day, too.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)matter, your ethnicity. thomas, rice, zimmerman trial intern, and on and on. Hoot all you want and thank you. thomas, rice, zimmerman trial intern.
MADem
(135,425 posts)curious, false screeds.
Have a nice day.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts):HUG:
When I was a young woman I was always hyper aware when any groups of men approached. It was an uncomfortable feeling. People in groups will do things they would never do on their own. I am so sorry this happened to you.
iemitsu
(3,888 posts)I am happy to say hello to strangers on the street and make an effort to be friendly with the neighbors but being yelled-at/threatened by a group of teen aged strangers is an uncalled for intrusion on my privacy and my space.
I think you are smart to be hyper-aware when groups of men/boys approach.
We live in a violent society. Too often we read of teens, who beat a homeless man or some other horrible act of senseless destruction. And women are too often the target of men's violence.
I feel a bit like "gangs of New York" have invaded my quiet neighborhood.
gangs of Florida.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)i walked over a bail road overpass. Don't understand it. Quit trying.
iemitsu
(3,888 posts)I hope you weren't hurt.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)Figure the bottle was better than the bumper. I am a scruffy 70 yr. old. Might have thought I was a homeless target or something. No excuse. Like 7 year olds throwing rocks at cars. Thoughtless. I didn't take it as directed.
iemitsu
(3,888 posts)A democrat is better than a republican.
Don't you hate always having to choose the lesser of two evils?
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)I have ever really been given a choice. More a path of least resistance.
LeftinOH
(5,354 posts)well, that's another story. I never understood the dynamics of group/mob behavior.. even as a teenager. If you were able to ask them individually why they did it, they wouldn't have an answer --except to say "that's what everyone else was doing".
geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)Be well.
iemitsu
(3,888 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)...and to the absolute SHOCK of a LOT of people they LOST.
This has caused a resurgence of the whole White Supremacy thing amongst the White Trash.
iemitsu
(3,888 posts)and has intensified 1000% percent since the election of President Obama.
Its really quite horrifying.
But the open racism is not really that usual in my corner of the universe. I live and work in an ethnically mixed part of an ethnically diverse town. I work in a public high school where 1/3rd of the students are black, 1/3rd white, and 1/3rd Asian/Pacific Islander/Other. That is how they are counted on enrollment documents but all are really brown.
I know the Klan is in town and they have membership, but they are not very vocal or visible.
Kids are kids and they egg each other into doing dumb things. I understand that. But, I don't like kids, who think calling others derogatory things and sounding threatening, is appropriate or acceptable, driving around my neighborhood or intruding on my peace.
nxylas
(6,440 posts)Then I noticed the key word: open racism. Yes, the election of Obama has really brought the pointy hoods out of storage. They are no longer even trying to hide their racism behind code words and dog whistles.
iemitsu
(3,888 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)A fact the racists STILL don't get. Future historians will look back at the beginning of the 21st Century as a major turning point.
Take comfort in the fact that there were no women in that car. There well could have been in the 50s.
iemitsu
(3,888 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)I was called an A**hole by one of the vendors, I simply looked back at him and said "Yes, I Am."
The "Gentleman" who did the name calling is young and a bit full of himself, unfortunately he has to come back to work in the area where I am in charge on a daily basis. My original thought was to simply call his boss and have him barred from returning, but that would have the effect of him most likely losing his job and frankly the the workers in his position never last very long anyway (as his employer really doesn't treat their people very well) so I will simply not speak with him and he will eventually just go away.
It is certainly disturbing to have someone be nasty to you either personally or in such an impersonal matter as what happened to you. The best result is to not allow it to ruin your day.
iemitsu
(3,888 posts)I came in and shared the incident with my wife and mother-in-law.
We laughed and thought the kids were stupid.
It amazes me how people can be abusive toward others, who might have some power or influence over their lives. They never consider that someday they might need or want help from the very ones they abuse.
That, IMO, is kind of stupid.
TexasTowelie
(112,236 posts)I've talked about this with one of my friends. When he lived in Arlington, Texas he was called out as being gay because he rode his bicycle in bike shorts.
I've gotten the same treatment walking a few blocks to the store in Brenham without reason--I was wearing a T-shirt and Levis.
It can be hateful and disturbing, but don't let it get you down. There are plenty of stupid people in this world and you encountered the future Republicans of America.
iemitsu
(3,888 posts)demean others to feel better about themselves, are assholes. Especially if they are adults.
Sorry to hear that you and your friend are being harassed. Texas has some assholes too.
It does "get me down" that there are people with those behaviors and attitudes, but that has not been intensified by this evenings event.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)I have been called everything from "fa**ot" to retard and had cups of liquid thrown at me, firecrackers. I've been shaken down at knife point. At one point I was shot at. Bad neighborhoods breed bad people, sadly.
Hopefully it just means some idiots managed to get lost in your neighborhood and you're not looking at an encroaching deterioration. There is a culture out there that finds this sort of behavior perfectly fine.
iemitsu
(3,888 posts)you have experienced in your neighborhood. I hope you can remain safe there or move if you are unsafe.
Neighborhoods do go through cycles and I've been in this one long enough to witness several.
I don't think this particular neighborhood is on the downslide.
I live on an arterial, the kids were driving to the waterfront.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)This is actually why my opinion is reenforced because I lived there 6 years and basically once a week I was assaulted or denigrated in some way or another. It was completely demoralizing but you eventually get used to it and grow a thick skin (engaging these types results in even more shit coming down on you so I always kept to myself and let them denigrate me).
Where I am now is completely peaceful, I can walk outside at any time of the day and be treated like any other person, even after some recent stuff that I brought with me from the ghetto (I won't get into it but let's just say some of my previous issues I picked up in that environment are known or at least suspected by my block, I can sense it in the attitudes I get, but the people are still overwhelmingly nice and comforting and even understanding; I go out at night at 1AM for a 6 mile run, it's been unbearably hot here thus the reason for the late night runs, and I have met some of the most wonderful people, it's a really nice change).
Those kids sound like disrespectful trash and I'm so sorry you had to deal with it. Part of me thinks it was some kind of initiation or peer pressure thing so if that's the case I hope you realize the idiot kid that did that probably doesn't sleep at night thinking about what a fucking asshole they were. Hopefully if that's the case, and they do feel remorse for giving into egging on and peer pressure, they stop hanging out with those other people. I fear that maybe they don't care, but I'm going to think positively on this one and just hope for the best for you and for that kid that harassed you.
Best of luck and apologies if I assumed the worst there, I was about to go on a run and I just remembered the environment I just came from and it felt like, damn, your neighborhood is going to shit. I hope that's not the case, sincerely.
iemitsu
(3,888 posts)Everyone should be treated with respect by others they meet on the street. But, alas, its just not so.
When Kerry was running against Bush I put a sign in my yard saying Bush could steal one election, but not two. The sign was stolen the first night it was out.
I was discussing the incident at school the next day and to my surprise a student came up to me and confessed to being in on the sign stealing caper. He and other ROTC students had been stealing Kerry signs all over town. They took me to the signs, stashed in the woods near the school.
ROTC had the kids do some community service to pay their due. they confessed and they learned a lesson.
Several of those students became close to me before graduating and one still comes back and visits.
They did not know it was my sign when they took it.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)That a student would confess to stealing a sign (a felony I think, if a DA went to the fullest extent of the law). I like that story at lot. It means that people can still understand what they did wrong and that they'll remedy it when they're faced with the repercussions.
Fortunately I've never had to deal with sign theft though I know it is rampant in every election and sign thieves are the worst (why bother? I'll never understand it). I did have a Dean sign up back in 2004 but that was during the primaries and I removed it when he started losing. But it wasn't even taken down by Kerry fans or even anti-Dems. It sat there in my yard, in a deeply southern state, until I removed it. My bumber sticker remained pro-Dean until I sold my car. No scratches, no abuse of that kind. I know it happens and I read about it a lot but somehow I managed to avoid it. I did have an Obama sticker on my car (edit: in 2008) but that didn't change that my radio was stolen, antenna snapped off, and back window smashed in. I think the hooligans / thieves are apolitical. Maybe that's the problem.
sakabatou
(42,152 posts)Raine
(30,540 posts)that are driving around or hanging out and the white ones are the absolute worst. I don't know how many times I have had catcalls, and rude crude remarks directed my way, it's been many times. It's hard to brush it aside, it's not only hurtful and demeaning but threatening too because they feel free enough that they can do it.
iemitsu
(3,888 posts)in civilized society.
It is a gross liberty fro men or groups of men to take with women. Especially when women are alone.
It is not complimentary or flattering, it is intrusive and threatening.
Good thing for all the catcallers that you aren't George Zimmerman.
tblue37
(65,403 posts)Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)I'm a white male and have felt the same way around groups of white males (and females) I don't know ever since I can remember. There does seem to be a cultural (not racial) strain that says they can be more arrogant and obnoxious than other groups by unwritten right.
But once I know they are liberals I tend to relax much more because a lot of liberals have become liberals as a response to those attitudes amongst their own cultural group. It's the right wing and apolitical ones that seem to be the most offensive to me.
brush
(53,785 posts)is really "white privilege" and it is, IMHO, racial in their entitled arrogance, even over other groups.
I think we're also going through a last gasp spasm of racism coming from these types who sense that the country is changing demographically and their grip on predominance is fading. And it's symbolized to them by a black man being in the White House.
Nay
(12,051 posts)is horrendous. The catcalls, etc., and even overt attempts to grab you. I'm old now and don't get that kind of attention any more, thank god. But it was horrible, threatening, insulting, and demeaning. It's no wonder that so many women are wary of men in general.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)My hair went gray early, and I stopped covering it up in my late 30s. It's been a couple of decades since anybody sent those kinds of remarks my way.
I grew up with them, though. I was physically precocious, and looked 16 when I was 11/12. As the only child of a single mother with no extended family, I grew up knowing that males valued my body, not me, and spent my years, teen through younger adulthood, trying unsuccessfully to "hide" to avoid that kind of attention.
JI7
(89,251 posts)DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)It's an attempt assuage their own fears of their own inferiority by lashing out at the perceived cause of their fears. It is perpetuated and kept alive through ignorance and societal divisions that are solely man-made. In their mind, if they ''lose'' to this enemy, they lose all value. Because they've been taught to define their worth and value as a human in terms of their belief of being ''better'' than this ''___(Fill-in-the-blank)___'' other.
This teaching serves a larger system that depends upon our dissension within the ranks, prejudices, hatreds and fears of other ethnicities, religions, nationalities, colors, anything and everything that will keep us from coming together as ONE. That is its sole purpose.
And unfortunately it still works, but not as well as it once did. Hence the renewed efforts to stir society up by TPTB. This incident is no doubt, an ancillary effect of that effort. TPTB have a direct and vested interest in keeping the system the way it is, for as long as possible. Lest they lose all control and power, which they are.
But even these efforts are failing apart because people are starting to recognize (or admit due to overwhelming evidence) -- some for the first time -- that it's all -- everything -- is based upon lies. Their time is over and they know it.
- They do what they do because they don't know what else to do. And their hearts are too dark to admit they were wrong.....
K&R
iemitsu
(3,888 posts)DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)belcffub
(595 posts)About two years back I used to walk with a group of guys at lunch (I go to the gym now). One day the four of us were walking and this kid walked passed us and about five feet or so behind us and yells "what a bunch of faggy ass white guys". We didn't say anything... more in shock then anything else... we walked daily and are always polite... go single file on the sidewalk to allow people to pass... never do anything... just a bunch of middle aged guys out for a walk at lunch... never had in issue when walking for 4 or 5 years of doing it... just seemed so weird... I don't understand people sometimes... we have turned it into some kind of a joke when we look back at it... just laugh it off...
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)my mother went by herself to run an errand nearby. A group of men in a car approached, and one of them wanted to pinch or pat her bottom. They miscalculated and she was hit by the car, which send her flying several feet. Thankfully, her injuries were not life threatening, but serious enough to be hospitalized for several days.
Group mentality a scary, scary thing
Orrex
(63,215 posts)Who the heck do you think you are?
In addition, what a bunch of assholes. Too bad you couldn't blast them with the hose.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)Such as these boys who accosted you.
Seems like so many people ache for involvement with others, but who feel only abusiveness is the acceptable way to engage with others.
No. You (in general) may not be to blame for being poorly-raised, but I am also not to blame for being raised to respect myself and carry myself with dignity. So, I'd prefer my own company, thank you very much. K&R
raccoon
(31,111 posts)1- A-non-y-mi-ty. Most people won't do that if they know the person(s) they're being nasty to. If they know they'll
see that person at the local grocery store, their school, church, etc., they wouldn't do that. One of the consequences of
living in a large city or a more mobile society than most of us did in past decades.
2- No consequences. These people know, in all probability, they won't have to face consequences for their ugly behavior.
I wish when these turkeys throw things at pedestrians or bicyclists, someone could get their license number and report them to the cops. That's assault, and battery if it hits you. I do realize that when you're the pedestrian or bicyclist, their license number won't likely be the first thing to come to mind...
closeupready
(29,503 posts)You have opportunity down, but there has to be something that DRIVES someone to be nasty to a stranger.
In other words, when you encounter a new person, do you feel hostility automatically?
raccoon
(31,111 posts)HillWilliam
(3,310 posts)I guess I had a pretty sheltered upbringing. I never heard the N-bomb until I was 9 or 10. I had to ask my granddad what that meant. (I was afraid it was pretty bad so I knew I could ask granddaddy privately.) I still believe today what he told me then: it's a trashy word usually surrounded by trashy behavior.
If that's what those kids are willing to display in public, one shudders to think what kind of behavior goes on at home where most folks can't see...
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Hopefully the kids in that car will regret this one day. I think so. I know I did things at that age that I now regret, but thank god none of them encompassed racism.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)I was walking down the street, in the middle of the day, near a local lesbian bar. A kid on the opposite sidewalk, probably no older than 11 or 12, looked at me with such hate in his eyes and yelled, "Dyke!" Now, I just so happened to be a lesbian and it wasn't that he called me a "dyke" that bothered me so much as the hate that was in is eyes. I couldn't help but wonder what he was learning at home. Now that I think back on it, I wonder what happened to him at home to make him so hateful at such a young age.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)I encounter that type of hate in white peoples eyes all the time now. It seems the election of a man of color over neocon racists, coupled with the Martin murder circumstances have emboldened amerikas substantial racist sub-grouping that comprises 47% of the electorate. Did I say subgroup? Scratch that.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)nothing other than the color of your skin or your sexuality (particularly if you're obviously homosexual).
heaven05
(18,124 posts)hfojvt
(37,573 posts)perhaps they just feel threatened, but many is the time I have been biking around strange parts and had some little five year old kid - cute little kid, yelling at me and shaking his fist. Being so small I cannot hear what they say, but the hostile attitude is clear.
In many ways, it is just animal behaviour, like the little dog yapping at all the people and other dogs going by his yard. Gotta defend the territory - even when you are clearly too small to defend anything.
It is not just homophobia either. As a male who had worn his hair long, I often get shouts of "hippie" as I go by or "get a haircut".
But even rednecks face it. I bought a straw hat (so I could goto fireman's dances) but I found that I could seemingly not wear it without having somebody mockingly yell "yee haw" as I walked past.
And I suspect that some of the crap I take is based on the fact that I look skinny and weak and thus look like a safe target.
Javaman
(62,530 posts)testosterone poisoning coupled with raging case of racist flu.
usually in a situation like that, there is one that is the carrier, the typhoid mary if you will, the others just go along because they are just either too stupid or fearful of the carrier.
I went to high school with many of these disease carriers only to discover years later at the reunion just how remorseful they were and were all sorts of apologetic.
I had no patience with them then and I had no patience with them when they "apologized".
treestar
(82,383 posts)there is no excuse for that and their parents should have raised them a lot better.
could be some Zimmerman fallout. I like the idea of the unit in your history class.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)happening since Nixon. Exacerbated by Raygun and accelerated under the bushmonkey cabal.
dembotoz
(16,808 posts)ladjf
(17,320 posts)you personally in any way. More likely, you happened to be there at a moment that they were
looking for anyone to insult. They were showing off for each others' amusement.
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)ctsnowman
(1,903 posts)and had the same type of shit happen to me. I call it Prius envy. Faggot seems to be a favorite among the toughest ones.
One night in a drive through lane, I had a couple punks in a car pretend to ram me from behind. I am so glad I didn't have my baseball bat with me.
Hang in there.
Botany
(70,516 posts)... its use in popular music and in certain social situations* and although it is an
awful word with a brutal history some people using it do not see it that way.
Without knowing all the facts in the case these teens were just being dumb ass
kids and that has been going on and on for many many years. They might do stupid
random acts of vandalism but I doubt that they will come back to "terrorize" your family.
* the African American quarterback of my son's high school football team and had
played football and had been friends with him for years used to come up to him
(he is white) in the halls of the high school and say, "what's up my n****r?" and give
him a hug.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)JEB
(4,748 posts)should be required reading for all High Schoolers with plenty of time to discuss the issues raised.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)permitted and endorsed and excused such action as part of the norm in society.
I too cannot understand why such vocal (and not just subtle) intollerance has become the accepted mode of behaviour.
My only hope is that one or more of those kids in the car will remember this moment and at some point feel some level of shame and regret. Enough that they will talk to their own kids about it, because frankly they will never talk to their peers about it. Your classroom lesson could certainly be very powerful. Raising awarness to the social psychology of group think helps them fight and buck group think.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)your very important lesson to the class.
Being nasty to strangers is very common on the internet. I'd suggest bringing that up.
cecilfirefox
(784 posts)iemitsu
(3,888 posts)Actually I am sure I was initiated into the club many years ago and have been re-nominated many times since. But thanks for the toast.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)Using this nasty experience as a way to teach others is commendable, thank you for doing that.
marble falls
(57,102 posts)you aren't an ignorant coward.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)But I've been called "queer" "faggot" "homo" "cocksucker" and the like at least every month from the 6th grade on. It slacked off a bit (used to be daily) after I left school but to this day, at age 56, it hasn't disappeared. And I'm not a drag queen, or even limp wristed with a lisp. I do like bright shirts and talk about ballet, opera, theatre and classical music a lot though.
Anyway.... this guy has had a charmed life. It's nice to know someone can get upset by name calling. I've become so tired of it, I don't care anymore what anyone calls me.
P.S. In Jr. High for a while there I was called a "kike" and "fuckin' Jew-boy" (I'm not Jewish).... to which I would answer "I'm Presbyterian!". "Don't lie about it, Jew!" is the answer I would get. I would just say "Fine... Mazel tov everyone!" This is when I learned the truth rarely matters over what people want to think.
narnian60
(3,510 posts)Unbelievable. I was teased a lot for being tall & flat-chested, and it hurt, but what you had to tolerate--wow.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)That's for sure.... I got beaten up a couple of times, and my artwork vandalized....and when I got home both my parents told me every time it was my fault....
But many other people had and have it worse. And that was in the 70's.... Today RuPaul has TWO show on TV... TWO! I'd never have believed it back then that such a thing could be.. but things have moved forward.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)how hitler did it. Control of group behavior. The neocons are using that playbook. Expect this type of racist white behavior to happen more and more, and don't expect the MSM to mention it much.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)I know right? Daily occurrence on the Internet though. Sorry that happened to you in your own neighborhood.
Flatulo
(5,005 posts)in my town. Several times I had bottles or cans hurled at me from passing cars full of teen boys. Never when there were just one or two in the car - always a full house.
Something about the group dynamic that brings out stupid and cruel behavior.
I was never injured, but the experience was always terrifying.
Glad nothing worse happened to you.
Apophis
(1,407 posts)I like that you're going to turn this into a learning experience for the kids in the fall. Good for you. I hope they learn something.
Getting called a n***** is a weekly occurrence for me. I live in a small town and there aren't very many minorities around, so seeing one if foreign to them.
iemitsu
(3,888 posts)Though I live in a diverse city and neighborhood, the small towns (that have become suburbs) surrounding the urban core still retain much of the old rural flavor.
As a child I imagined that life in such a community would be ideal. But after becoming involved in an inter-racial relationship I came to realize that urban life is more comfortable for those categorized as " the other".
Where I live and work everyone has an ethnically diverse family (not really everyone but it is common). My family (siblings and spouses, their children and their spouses) includes: Euro-Americans, Asians (Japanese), Hispanic-Asians (Filipinos), African-Americans, Caribbean-Islanders - Dominicans (mixed ancestry), Latin-Americans - Ecuadorians (mixed ancestry), and Native-Americans - Pacific Northwest Tribal affiliations.
Last year in class, I had a tall thin student with a Vietnamese last name. He was half Vietnamese and half Black. I thought it somewhat unusual for a Vietnamese man to marry an African-American woman so I asked him about his family. Both of his parents are also half Black and half Vietnamese. Their fathers were American servicemen during the war. As mixed race and illegitimate children they suffered discrimination at many levels and both eventually found their way into relocation programs for the children of American veterans. They met in the US, and their wonderfully, tall and handsome, "Black" son with a Vietnamese last name is the result.
It is nice to live around people, whose experiences are somewhat like yours.
I believe that small towns can and will accept the "other" but only in that role, the other. A defined role that all you accomplish will be filtered through.
Maybe one can't escape that reality anywhere but it is less obvious in the city.
LuckyLib
(6,819 posts)talking is Peggy McIntosh's White Privilege.
http://www.library.wisc.edu/EDVRC/docs/public/pdfs/LIReadings/InvisibleKnapsack.pdf
wtmusic
(39,166 posts)it is for me too.
His attitude will have far greater implications for his future than yours.
ellennelle
(614 posts)more and more.
i can only apologize that this ever happened to you at all.
i blame the shock jocks and the hate spewing from fox 24/7, and the high-ranking government officials who will not condemn such attitudes and actions.
here's hoping the rest of the drive-by gang was embarrassed and shunned the pathetic kid's attempts to "fit in."
here's hoping they never come back, at least not to harass you further; coming back to apologize would of course be nice.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)AndyA
(16,993 posts)Their parents probably listen to right wing radio, which stirs up a lot of anger and fear among their listeners--those with tiny minds that barely function and don't question what they're told as long as it fits in with what they believe.
It sure seems to me that we've taken a huge step backward as a society when it comes to equality, women's rights, and having respect for your fellow citizens.
I'm sorry you had to endure that attack. I hope it's the last time such a thing ever happens to you.
TRoN33
(769 posts)No matter what background they are from and what their beliefs are, my dad taught me to be very gentleman and be respectful of elders. I'm sorry for what happened to you. Its wrong. These teenage idiots were taught to hate and to prejudice all their life and its unfortunate for them, not you. You are very proud and stand tall, most of people already respect you for who you are.
Chaco Dundee
(334 posts)Those kids are dumb,but the credit for their behavior goes to their parents.
ewagner
(18,964 posts)The modern GOP ....teaches white Americans to be PROUD OF THEIR PREJUDICES
Warpy
(111,270 posts)especially when they're protected by a shell of metal going too fast for a person on foot to catch.
Most of them will eventually sass the wrong person and have cause to regret it and grow into reasonable adults. A few will stay punks all their lives.
You, however, possess a great deal of worth they will likely never know. Pity them and move on.
They'll hate that most of all.
DissidentVoice
(813 posts)It's very easy for them to do that while driving by.
I'd bet they wouldn't do it face-to-face.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)myrna minx
(22,772 posts)Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)Teens have always been jerks with low impulse-control (I know; I was one once). But it does seem that as society disintegrates more and more, there is less inhibition, less respect, less kindness.
mountain grammy
(26,623 posts)We were playing ball in the back yard and when the ball rolled into his yard, he wouldn't give it back. My mom politely asked him to give the kid's back their ball. He looked at her and said "get out, you dirty Jew!" That was in Enfield, Ct. in 1959.
Wow! My first thought was "we're not dirty."
Still plenty of haters around. I'm really sorry about your experience. It's so mean and hurtful and unnecessary.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)First slur I heard as a kid. My mom just said "you aren't dirty."
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)SunSeeker
(51,571 posts)hamsterjill
(15,222 posts)First, I'm sorry that you had to endure this. No one should have to!
I'm in my fifties, too, and a white female. I've gotten smart ass remarks from punks before while waiting in line somewhere, while putting gas in my car, and at my home, as well. You hit the nail on the head as to the group behavior. What one of them might not do when alone, they seem to have a real need to impress their friends when several of them are together. This, at the expense of others.
Little do these twerps understand that THEY, too, will age. That is IF they are lucky.
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)Now THAT would have been a nice surprise for the carload of nasties.
William769
(55,147 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)I'm sorry and hate to hear what happened, but I think it's gonna get worse before it gets better.
This country has major issues to deal with.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)If Calhoun's research on overpopulation is accurate, we're seeing the negative behaviors commensurate with this oft-ignored global stressor.
Perhaps William Ryan's "Blaming the Victim" might help your students see how we identify "others" and then create self-fulfilling reasons to vilify or isolate "others."
My baby sister married a man who counted among his ancestors African-Americans, Native Americans, and Caucasian-Americans. His skin was the color of milk chocolate. My sister and I were tow-heads, and pale. He and my sister helped me move to north Arkansas in the mid-80s. We stopped at a little diner in Hope, Arkansas for breakfast, and the entire restaurant reacted negatively. Customers left. The wait staff congregated as far from us as they could, and--for twenty minutes--debated who would serve us. Finally, the oldest waitress came over and slammed three glasses of water in front of us, took our order, and left--all without saying a word. Kobe, my BIL, helped keep my sister and me calm, and said we should politely accept our food, leave a tip as per usual (20%, even in those days), and be unflinchingly polite even in the face of this hatred. It took forty minutes to get our breakfast. We ate and talked and paid and left...
Kobe died in Costa Rica a year ago this August. I miss him every day.
iemitsu
(3,888 posts)in New Mexico. I and two co-workers (both women, an elderly blonde and an AA woman. I am German and Irish.) drove to the event from the northwest. On our return trip we passed through Montana and somewhere in the mountains we stopped at a busy diner for lunch. The sign at the counter asked customers to seat themselves, and so we did. There were dozens of people in the place and a full wait and kitchen staff was available to meet their needs.
We sat and waited for service. We watched as those, who came in after us were served, and attempted to get the attention of a wait person. They, the restaurant employees, all successfully managed to avoid noticing our need.
It was as if we were invisible.
We were there for a bit more than an hour and no one ever addressed us or responded to our attempts to get attention.
Eventually, we just left.
Businesses, and their employees, don't treat customers that way in the Puget Sound basin. None of us expected to be treated like that, in Montana.
Our culture (probably driven by our economic system) does stress that victims are themselves to blame for their own victimhood. I suppose it is our way of dealing with life, in an environment where we can't meet the needs of too many. Rather than examine a system that creates such need we blame the needy.
kardonb
(777 posts)My husband always has a saying , and he is so right " one boy = one brain . two boys = 1/2 a brain , 3 boys = no brain at all .
Besides that , their parents have not instilled respect in them for other people , regardless of how they look .
a car , 3 testosterone laden kids = disaster .
johnnyreb
(915 posts)I am fifty-five, white, born and raised in the capital of the former Confederacy. You are my American countryman and neighbor, and wherever our paths may cross, you will be my friend.
iemitsu
(3,888 posts)I will remember that and consider you a friend also.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)are a better man than I. Your proposed solution is admirable. Kudos.
stlsaxman
(9,236 posts)I would LOVE to see/hear it.
All best to you, Good Sir!
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)home each night, fearful of his situation at work ( Boss upset, wages not enough,bills to pay) and just taking his anger out on the whole family.
Economic insecurity effecting the adults in a family must have a huge effect on the children. If thats the case as so many of you have mentioned this kind of dumb mindless behavior must be on the rise..
kairos12
(12,862 posts)Blue Palasky
(81 posts)as for me, I hope they drove head first into a ditch at full speed.
The Wizard
(12,545 posts)raised by wolves or Republicans, take your pick.
AAO
(3,300 posts)That was a terrible thing they did. No doubt about that. I just think the 2 things you wanted to teach "psychology of group behavior, the identification of the other in society", should be available to all kids - at a young age and reinforced as they grow older. You could apply that to racial, as well as LGBTQ attitudes. We need more kids to grow up caring about all people, not just specific approved groups. What you are doing will transcend the impact of these kids. Kick some ass!!
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)It seems that in these times, we're seeing more hatred than ever. This is what happens when a society's wealth goes from the bottom to the very top. No education, no jobs, no security .. we create morons.
tavalon
(27,985 posts)What the fuck has been unleashed? I guess a leaking wound is preferable to pretending the strange scars aren't there. This is crap being dredged up from 150 years ago. Doesn't make it okay.
I had an ageism thing thrown at me by a bunch of drunk teenagers at a store. I flipped them off but I was shocked.
Mannerless thugs.
iemitsu
(3,888 posts)the strange scars aren't there.".
In so many ways we are encouraged to live whatever fantasy life we like. To hell with history, reason, evidence, common sense, or human decency.
We need to move on from events, which wound and scar us, but we must not forget what it was that caused the harm, so that we are not harmed in the same way twice.
Teenagers, drunk, are the worst.
DontTreadOnMe
(2,442 posts)I live in the NorthEast, and I rarely ever see overt racism. Of course it exists, but at least younger people do not express it so openly. Racism is a learned trait. Someone teaches this behavior. And it is often encouraged in some communities.
Such an ugly part of our society.
I wonder if there are any studies that indicate any relation to poverty levels to racist attacks. It seems to me that when times are good, racism goes down. When times get tough, especially unemployment levels - racism goes up.
I remember when I was in Junior High School, and we started listening to Frank Zappa records. The classic 1967 song "Trouble Every Day" really stuck out to me... in the middle of the song Frank interrupts and and declares
"Hey, you know something people?
I'm not black
But there's a whole lots a times
I wish I could say I'm not white."
That really hit me, and I was only 15 at the time.
vaberella
(24,634 posts)I experience racism in some way shape or form on a daily basis or at the very least every three days. The only time I didn't feel racism, or one that I cared about or felt something from was in London. However in NYC...that chip on my shoulder from experiencing racism, came back with a vengeance. I'm an Afro-Caribbean female.
I'm just saying it's not regional. Racism is all around. If it is not verbal words, it's in behaviour, or it's the institutionalized fact. And Racial profiling is prevalent in the North East, particularly sweeps. I know my area goes around a sweep or walk through by the cops every few months.
great white snark
(2,646 posts)Damn it's good to see you. Your perceptive input is sorely missed.
Hope you are well.
vaberella
(24,634 posts)I've missed everyone here too. It's been a tough year. New teacher at NYC schools is not sweet. Almost quit my job. So I was working through the ups and downs of teaching for the year. I found a new school, with a very encouraging principal so I am hopeful I can do a lot of cool things, this coming year in order to make a name for myself in my field. I hope all is well with you.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Deep down the little shits know they're little shits so they're looking for a way to make themselves feel powerful and important...Pretty pathetic.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)I hope that they don't come back. Take care!