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(2,693 posts)Just to give your tushy a bit of wiggle. I guess for some it is worth it.
drmeow
(5,019 posts)but that is a pretty extreme high heel - looks like 5" heel to me which is as high as you can go (6" heels have a 1" platform under the toe to make them 6" .
5" heels are worn in the name of fashion. 3" inch heels, on the other hand, are practically required for a certain level of business woman (as in, if you want to move up the corporate ladder, you better wear heels). I'd prefer to see an x-ray of a foot in 3" inch heels (not as bad as this one but still pretty bad) with a note that says "It is sad to see what people are forced to do to themselves for the sake of career success."
JI7
(89,252 posts)5 inch doesn't seem so extreme compared to what i see these days.
but i prefer comfort so even though i'm not tall i don't want to deal with uncomfortable shoes.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)And a pretty serious indictment of American corporate culture. Glad that you can see that though.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)I see all guys and plently of gals wearing non-ridiculous shoes in the corporate world
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Skittles
(153,169 posts)then find out who is actually "making" them wear these stupid shoes - you'll find it's other women, not men or the "corporate culture" - and shame on women who fall for that crap
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)nt
LisaLynne
(14,554 posts)There is a lot of cultural, societal, and historical pressure that results in that.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)Aristus
(66,387 posts)I think those princess-style ballet flats are just incredibly sexy.
Never found a woman in stilettos especially sexy...
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)nt
Warpy
(111,274 posts)when I was desperate enough to take an office temp job. I hope that has changed but I sincerely doubt it.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,742 posts)Usually I wore one-inch shoes. Of course, I am 5' 10". Stopped wearing heels 17 years ago. Figured I'd gotten old enough to not give a rat's ass about conforming to someone's idea of beauty.
KharmaTrain
(31,706 posts)...she's short and when she worked in an administrative post used to joke that if she wanted to get into someone's face she'd make sure she had her 3" heels on. It gave her the feeling of being on a "more equal footing" with the boys...literally.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,742 posts)Including my last supervisor.
KharmaTrain
(31,706 posts)...I'm 5'11" so I've found it interesting how people use height to their advantage. I had a boss who was short and had his desk propped up on a platform so when you sat in a meeting he was always looking down on you. I got wise...I propped up my chair and always made it a point to try to be the "taller" one. Needless to say he was a republican.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,742 posts)But I'd get comments like "How's the air up there?"
Your former boss sounds like a real winner. I'm not surprised that he's a republican.
krawhitham
(4,644 posts)Myrina
(12,296 posts).... I have bunyons, most of my toes are almost always cramping and/or needing the 'knuckles cracked' and I have scar tissue on my Achilles from several healed over hairline-tears.
The top third of my foot is now so wide from bearing all my weight over the years that I need to buy men's wide sneakers.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)Like you, I have serious foot problems, which started at the age of 13 or 14. I'm 60 now, so that's a long time. And, even though I had problems, I still persisted in wearing unsuitable/uncomfortable shoes...from platforms in the 70s to 5" heels on knee-high boots in the 80s.
Now my feet turn inward at the ankle, causing swelling. All my non supportive shoes had/have extreme wear on the inside. I've seen x-rays of my feet...they actually made me nauseous to see the deformation in the bones. And when your feet are deformed, it affects your knees...hips...back...
anyway, I see the shoes some of the younger women are wearing...high heels...extreme pointed toes...and literally cringe for what these women are setting themselves up for in middle age or sooner...
Ms. Toad
(34,074 posts)you need to (or soon will need to) wear heels 24/7 (or at least any time your feet are weight bearing) because your Achilles tendon will permanently shorten.
And she never wore more than 2" heels.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)after wearing those for their work lives.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)3 inch heels, especially wider heels/wedges are best, I wear them to work without suffering pain and I don't have deformed feet.
To your point about career success - I'm petite and some sort of elevated heel shoe are part of the game, unfortunately. Every now and then when I wear flats, I get stupid comments like "Did you shrink overnight? You seem really small today".
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)Heels of ANY kind are bad on the feet if worn constantly over a period of years.
Women will never admit they wear that shit because they want to get men's attention.
Stop wearing that shit, and the workplace will finally grow up.
smackd
(216 posts)i have super high arches and i must wear some level of heel (2.5 inch is most comfortable, altho 3 is fine as well) to avoid pain.
not an excuse, podiatrist recommended based on neuroma caused by flip flops and flats
suppose i could get orthopedic tennis shoes or something, but frankly...fuck that, lol
ellenfl
(8,660 posts)haele
(12,660 posts)That's why so many women will wear heels, not necessarily looks; as a very successful woman in my field told me - to get ahead, you have to start on their level.
Even if you have to balance on ugly 3 - 4" cork wedge platforms because you can't handle the foot stress of over an inch of "heel" to bring you to a 5'10" height. I have tight tendons and high arches, I can't wear real heels.
I wore those things every time I had to go to a meeting, train or brief in the office; my "butt" didn't wiggle, and my legs didn't get longer, but I could stand pretty much face to face with most of my male counterparts and not get overwhelmed with the feeling they were looking down at me figuratively as well as literally.
Longer suit pants hid the ugliness of the shoes for the most part.
In the business culture, height differences are subtle advantages when negotiating or enforcing hierarchy.
Men play the same game.
Haele
gollygee
(22,336 posts)both my mother and my mother-in-law had to have surgery on their feet after wearing 3-inch heels for work for years. They absolutely hurt feet.
They do make women look taller though, that's true.
Three-inch heels hurt like hell. Anything over an inch-and-a-half is damaging to the foot; in fact ANY heel is if worn over a long period of time.
This is all about getting male attention, whether or not dumb women who wear these torture devices will admit it or not.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"This is all about getting male attention..."
You of course have peer-reviewed objective evidence which validates this premise, yes? Or is it merely an opinion said as though it comes from on-high?
drmeow
(5,019 posts)Created guidelines which said:
Women at the firm have been advised to wear high heels with skirts rather than trousers to embrace their femininity.
Dress codes often expect
"For formal business events, closed-toe heels or dress shoes in conservative colors (black, brown, gray, tan, almond) with hosiery essential. The shoes should be in good condition."
But, of course, you are right, women never wear heels because their company's dress code says they should or because they see female colleagues who wear heels seem to be more likely to be promoted or because career advancement/job search advice websites tell them to wear pumps (from Virginia Tech Student Services - "Shoes: Should be leather or fabric / micro fiber. ... Choose closed-toe pumps." . No, women ONLY wear pumps to get male attention.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Are you a woman and have you ever worn heels? Just wondering.
rrneck
(17,671 posts)abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)First thing I thought of when I saw this thread.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Not a chance. Will not encourage it. Will actively discourage it.
That is a potentially permanent injury waiting to happen.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)As much as I like the 'look' of high heels, they are horrible for the foot and shouldn't be worn.
I'm very glad my wife quit wearing them and will try to impress upon my daughter that these types of 'shoes' will fuck your feet up!
Warpy
(111,274 posts)and then I have serious trouble walking for the next couple of days. They're horrible on steroids if you have RA.
I swore I married a guy within half an inch of my own height so I'd never be forced to wear high heels.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Clippity Clop ladies....
Check out future footwear:
Kurska
(5,739 posts)I'd keep my BDSM gear at home, dunno why people go walking around in theirs
barbtries
(28,799 posts)a plot against women.
LisaLynne
(14,554 posts)MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)thought they could run faster than me. I smoked their asses while running in 2-3 inch chunky heeled boots. :p
petronius
(26,602 posts)"You damn well will master fractions, even if I have chase you half-way across the neighborhood!"
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)I'm pretty sure it was a trifecta thing...bras heels hose.
barbtries
(28,799 posts)but yes on the panty hose. they always come together, heels and panty hose.
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)Xithras
(16,191 posts)In fact, that's where the term "well heeled" came from. Centuries ago, both genders of the aristocracy wore tall heels as a matter of fashion. Poor people, who had to walk through muddy and crap filled streets, couldn't wear them without worrying about sinking ankle deep into the muck. The elite, many of whom never even had dust on their feet, didn't have that problem. It was just another mark to demonstrate how they were "better" than the "little people". From there, it spread into the middle class and society at large.
IMO, though, the real reason for heels has little to do with gender or sexuality. There are plenty of studies indicating a cultural preference for height, which demonstrate that taller people are nearly always more successful than shorter people when everything else is equalized. I won't go into the theories as to why this may be the case, but it places women at a disadvantage in the workplace because women tend to be physically smaller than men on average. Heels help to counter natures vertical imbalance, and heel wearing women are more successful in the workplace because of it. The only real gender difference is that women who wear them are called "professional" and "confident" while men who don footwear to accomplish the same task end up being the butt of jokes.
You can't kill heels without first attacking societies height bias.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)TheMightyFavog
(13,770 posts)LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)It's about what happens to body posture. It's less to do with height and more to do with T&A.
When standing in high-heeled shoes, posture changes so that the back is arched, the pelvis and chest are thrust forward, the buttocks sticks out, and the calf muscles tighten [1]. When standing straight up without wearing heels, the body creates a 90 degree angle with the floor, which is a normal stance. If the body were a rigid column, putting on a pair of heels would force the entire body to tilt forward, and the angle made with the floor would decrease or, in other words, become acute. As heel height increases, this angle would decrease and give the body more slant. However, the body is not a rigid column, so in order to wear high-heels and maintain a normal stance, a series of joint adjustments is required [2]. The body's adjustment to this change in angle creates the classic, curved high-heeled stance.
http://illumin.usc.edu/printer/81/walking-in-high-heels-the-physics-behind-the-physique/
Xithras
(16,191 posts)...but it's been demonstrated over and over again that there is a correlation between height and workplace success when other factors are equalized. Nobody is entirely sure why (there are lots of theories), but tall people get more promotions, larger raises, get hired more often, and generally retire wealthier than shorter people. This has shown up in multiple studies and seems to be consistent in most cultures, so it's probably some sort of innate biological preference, and not overt discrimination.
The height preference can be a disadvantage in the workplace as women are typically of smaller stature than men. Average height women, like shorter men, can easily find themselves passed over for jobs, raises, and promotions, even when there is no deliberate discrimination and all other factors are equal. There are some researchers who believe that this may explain at least a portion of the gender based wage disparity that can be seen in the business world today.
Heels can help equalize this.
malaise
(269,054 posts)zazen
(2,978 posts)I get that for the majority it's a form of body constriction and distortion akin to a corset, and makes it difficult to run from a stranger rapist, but for folks with hypermobile, overextended joints and flat feet (which go with certain connective tissue problems), heels _feel_ better. They arch you forward so you aren't hyperextending your knees backward and they lessen the discomfort from fallen arches.
Now, does that have to be on pencil thin heels that can get stuck in grates and cause injury? No.
REP
(21,691 posts)or flip flops with big, cushiony platforms. Flats are just as uncomfortable as spike heels. I have hypermobile joints and what is kindly referred to as "flexible" arches.
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)Cause problems with me and all my loosey goosey parts.
zazen
(2,978 posts)Wonderful support group for an underdiagnosed, crazymaking, often disabling medical condition. I wish we could make a registry of all of the dismissive, invalidating doctors we've seen. I'm doing all I can in NC to spread awareness. Glad to meet a fellow Zebra!
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)Am pretty badly affected at this point....EDS is the least of my problems. Although, now that I have muscle wasting in my right thigh, my knee is hyper extending....going to have to get a brace, darn it.
PS nice to meet you, my fellow zebra!
My husband tells me I have so many rare medical problems, I am truly one in seven billion.
smackd
(216 posts)that's me
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)Foot binding came about because it was "fashionable" to have smaller feet. I don't know who made the "rule" that smaller feet were fashionable and I don't know who made the "rule" that high heels, at the expense of foot health, is fashionable/desirable as well. However, I'm of the opinion that harming your body to fall into the trap that it's "required" in society, is just silly. But if people want to wear heels, to each their own.
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)prepared to say as I was logging in.
This is just another form of male dominance over women. Sure, some women deride other women for not conforming to the imposed "norm" but they do it out of ignorance or because they want to have competition or because they have been convinced that it is the way one succeeds. It reminds me of the women who smoke cigarettes until the gurgle while breathing but don't see the harm in it.
groupthink anyone?
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)How can someone who wears shoes like this ever extend their foot normally again?
Myrina
(12,296 posts)From experience, I know. Having it 'compressed' by arching the foot so regularly, it loses flexibility and in the event you need to wear sneakers or flats, re-stretching will cause weakness & in my case hairline tears over time.
My right Achilles is now a bunch of scar tissue from those tears healing on their own & literally feels bumpy to the touch. It's hard to walk long distances or be active several days in a row because it starts to pull anew. Ortho doc said surgery is a remote option (but waaaay pricey) and steroid shots would just re-injure the tendon so not worth the short-term benefit.
Folks I work with half tease me that they want to be there to watch when it finally lets go and I just collapse.
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)I do wear chunky heels sometimes, but never when I have to stand for a long time.
Baitball Blogger
(46,736 posts)dembotoz
(16,808 posts)guess it is the never ending hippie in me
I have always had bad ankles and to think of wearing a shoe the reduces stability when you walk is just stupid.
and if I find a woman attractive, the last thing of interest to me is her feet.
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)...was one plugging a TV show. One actress (I believe it was Angie Harmon) was posing in a suit and a badge but was wearing stiletto heels. How furkin' ridiculous. I guess it's okay for her to be a cop and wear a badge, but we mustn't forget she's first and foremost a sex object.
I'd like to see a cop in stilettos running down a perp.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)There are so many shows with female protagonists wearing high heels and chasing down the perps; this is one of the worst, when it comes to shoes, although she's not a cop:
allin99
(894 posts)duffyduff
(3,251 posts)Women make all kinds of excuses for wearing trash on their feet, and they pay a price for it. It's all about looking "sexy" for men, regardless of whether these "shoes" are worn at work or in the evening.
Stop wearing that shit, and these crap shoes will no longer exist.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Brigid
(17,621 posts)I was waiting at a crowded bus stop downtown. She went teetering past, and the guys at the stop just busted out laughing.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Imagine instead being able to run across a field springing along on your bare forefeet.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)the women who wore high heels in the 50's-60's.
Crippled arthritic feet with jammed toes and giant bunions.
Doremus
(7,261 posts)a woman about my age (late 50s) who must have abused her feet with ill-fitting shoes her entire life.
Her mangled feet were on display in open sandals: hammer toes, bunions, strangest of all - the 2nd toe crossed over and rode on top of the big toe. What kind of shoes must she have worn? I shudder to think! Amazingly she doesn't limp or show any outward signs that her feet are sore. I can't imagine how they *couldn't* be sore.
Just say NO to heels!
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)tblue
(16,350 posts)I only wear heels at parties, which I attend at the rate of about one every five years. I cringe when I see women in those high heels. It's painful just to look at them.
leeroysphitz
(10,462 posts)NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)So I got to think its a choice. If you choose that, well, don't cry to me
Sivart
(325 posts)I am only half joking.....
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Good thing I invested in two identical pairs (different colors) of Etienne Aigniers with 2" heels when I could find them on sale years ago - they will apparently need to last me forever since you can only buy flats or 5-6" stilettos these days and ZERO in between.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Looks like foot torture to me.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)I am torn between laughing my ass off and just feeling sorry for them for feeling the need to comply with societal pressure. Half the women who wear these types of shoes can't even fucking walk in them without wobbling and/or adopting a really awkward giraffe-like gait.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)I have constant pain now and can barely walk, let alone do other things I like, like dance.
It's like the binding of women's feet and has crippled a lot of women, imo.
The Midway Rebel
(2,191 posts)Lux Interior made them look fucking great.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Many of the social mores dictated by our culture are difficult to overcome. Not impossible, but very difficult as exemplified by the inordinate amount of "eewww, that's just gross" replies in the thread about the young woman refusing to shave. Those using that reply were themselves, aware or not, subsumed by a social more.
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)I can't even think about them without falling over and busting my ass.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)badtoworse
(5,957 posts)What's wrong with flats? The high heels never did much for me.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)aikoaiko
(34,172 posts)I keed. I keed.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)so now Reeboks are my choice of footwear. I used to wear the highest heels I could get mainly for height, because I am only 5 feet 3 inches. But years of those shoes have taken a toll on my feet. I am retired now, so do not have to wear heels to the office.
One_Life_To_Give
(6,036 posts)And necessary
Heels how I miss thee.
Historic NY
(37,451 posts)frazzled
(18,402 posts)Advice to younger women fond of daily high-heel wearing. As you get older, foot problems develop no matter what; high heels are going to make it far far worse, and painful. It's not worth it.
Besides, I watch women on the street every day hobbling around so awkwardly on these shoes. It's not pretty when you walk like a clunking elephant with you hips and butt misaligned and your back all out of place.
If you must, carry these shoes to the bar and sit on a stool, hanging your 5-inch heels over the edge. Then when you leave, switch to something more comfortable and healthy. Wedges are good if you like a little height. (I'm not talking ridiculous high wedges, just a slight lift.)
Other advice: become a podiatrist or foot doctor. I think it's going to be a gold mine in 15 years or so.
(PS: I have nothing against heels, but something 2 1/2 inches, on special occasions, should be the norm.)
Marblehead
(1,268 posts)head boarding?
wilt the stilt
(4,528 posts)to the opposite sex that is similar. Is makeup comfortable. Does lipstick make sense. Are miniskirts comfortable? Men shave. I bet that is fun everyday for the heavily bearded. Women wear high heels because it makes them look sexy. If you get right down to it even sex is kind of uncomfortable.
malaise
(269,054 posts)Gave up high heels before my 30th birthday.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)When I was young I wore heels often enough. Nothing as ridiculous as the extreme heels in the OP.
Now I wear them very rarely only because my life is pretty casual.
I once worked in a department store shoe dept. OMG, so many old ladies who had worked in the bank or whatever HAD to wear heels all the time. Now their poor feet are no longer shaped like feet. They'd show me a shoe they wanted to try and tell me their size. So often I'd bring out shoe, look at it and think there was no way they were going to get that foot shape into that shoe. I felt so sorry for them.
I think the shoes they are coming out with these days are truly hideous. High platform AND heels, ugh! Ugly!
Julie
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)Bought them to shoot reference for animation cycles. They are really a 3.5 inch heel plus platform. Can walk and strut about just fine in them. But I never wear heels in my daily life. I own two other pair of shoes. Converse sneakers and flip flops. Don't think wearing heels at work would be a good idea as I'm already tall. Do people really get promoted towering above their supervisor?
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)bunions can exist without wearing high heels. I know. I've had a terrible bunion on my right foot since I was a child. At least it's never gotten worse.
I'm short, 5'1", so I sort of like a couple of extra inches so tall people don't tower over me quite so much. But I also have small feet, so wearing anything higher than a three inch heel is simply out of the question.
I must say, every time I see a TV show where some woman is hiking around all day in a big city wearing five inch heels, I just don't get it. Do real women ever really do that? I'm reminded of all the movies that show a woman wearing a garter belt and stockings. I'm not sure you can even buy garter belts any more. Real women (by which I'm meaning those not in the sex trade who are of course real women but they'd have a good reason to be wearing garter belts and stockings) don't wear them. I'm old enough that I had to wear those things when I was first working, before pantyhose finally came out. They're uncomfortable, trust me.