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snot

(10,530 posts)
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 12:15 AM Jul 2013

AFTER Close of Evidence, Judge in Manning Trial Allows Feds to Change Charges

Two years ago, Army PFC Bradley Manning was charged with five counts of stealing government property, in violation of federal statute 18 U.S.C. 641. He faces 21 total charges for providing WikiLeaks with classified information at the court martial entering its final stage. After the Government rested its case against PFC Manning, defense lawyer David Coombs detailed how the evidence presented did not support those five 18 U.S.C. 641 charges. He appealed to military judge Col. Denise Lind to dismiss them outright; however, she let them stand. Shockingly, she then stepped away from her role as the “finder of fact,” and into a clearly partisan role by allowing the Government to significantly alter its charges on July 24, 2013–long after all legal arguments had been made.

“Because all of these critical ‘clarifications’ are coming after eight weeks of testimony, and because these offenses carry with them 50 years of potential imprisonment, and because the Defense was actually misled by the Charge Sheet, the Defense requests that this Court declare a mistrial as to the section 641 offenses,” declared Coombs.

This move by Judge Lind allowed the prosecution to switch its theory, alleging now that Manning stole “portion[s] of” databases instead of the entire databases themselves. The change is for the Iraq and Afghan War Logs and the Global Address List. The evidence clearly shows that Manning downloaded Iraq and Afghanistan Significant Activity reports (SigActs), not the entire Combined Information Data Network Exchange (CIDNE) databases, which included far more – and far more sensitive – documents.

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{Manning's attorney argues,} Now, after the close of evidence, the Court has grafted onto the Charge Sheet the word “information” – something that the Defense did not know it had to defend against until after it had cross-examined Government witnesses and after it had called its own witnesses. In short, the Defense did not know of the case to meet until 24 July 2013, almost two months into the trial, and the day before closing arguments. The Defense is now left to hope that the Government has not presented enough evidence to prove a charge that the Defense did not actually defend against and it does not believe the Government actually charged. . . . If the Defense had known that when the Government charged databases, it really meant information, the Defense would have defended this case very differently.


Much more at http://www.bradleymanning.org/featured/manning-judge-alters-charges-to-assist-govt-ahead-of-verdict .
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AFTER Close of Evidence, Judge in Manning Trial Allows Feds to Change Charges (Original Post) snot Jul 2013 OP
What a travesty! Star chamber & kangaroo court all rolled up in one. Divernan Jul 2013 #1
That was my first thought Hydra Jul 2013 #24
"Kangaroo court" was EXACTLY what came to mind. truebluegreen Jul 2013 #26
Manning will eventually be convicted of jaywalking... DreamGypsy Jul 2013 #2
The fix is in. blackspade Jul 2013 #3
And people wonder why Whistle Blowers are leaving the country and seeking political sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #4
shameful n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #7
+10000000 felix_numinous Jul 2013 #9
Yet we have people right in this forum calling for Edward Snowden to return and face the music. totodeinhere Jul 2013 #25
I know. I didn't think it would get this bad though....I think Snowden snappyturtle Jul 2013 #28
Home of the fearful is right. nt snappyturtle Jul 2013 #31
effing unbelievable! k and r bbgrunt Jul 2013 #5
+1 n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #6
And people wonder why Snowden would rather stay in Russia? davidn3600 Jul 2013 #8
Sure why not. Rex Jul 2013 #10
The law is now a sick joke. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #11
That is very true. truedelphi Jul 2013 #13
From Mr Coombs' 24 July motion: struggle4progress Jul 2013 #12
Did Manning produce printed pages? truedelphi Jul 2013 #14
Why would that matter? If I were to go online and somehow access (say) struggle4progress Jul 2013 #18
Your post, sir, speaks volumes al bupp Jul 2013 #29
Actually, all Manning did was hand the information over to Wikileaks. truedelphi Jul 2013 #35
I am not sure that is a fair way to determine value dsc Jul 2013 #19
The government only has to clear a $1000 hurdle. If you value the documents struggle4progress Jul 2013 #21
K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #15
If the left complains about this then Republicans win Fumesucker Jul 2013 #16
Show Trial with added spite. Octafish Jul 2013 #17
Kangaroo court is too good a description of this. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #20
Speechless. AzDar Jul 2013 #22
Tough gig going after the entire federal government the way he did. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #23
K&R woo me with science Jul 2013 #27
In case a future whistleblower didn't get the message....nt snappyturtle Jul 2013 #30
This is corrupt. woo me with science Jul 2013 #32
Shameless, corrupt forking arse-holes. We're a fucking banana republic. n/t GoneFishin Jul 2013 #33
kick woo me with science Jul 2013 #34

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
1. What a travesty! Star chamber & kangaroo court all rolled up in one.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 12:24 AM
Jul 2013

You won't see this kind of crap portrayed on some flag-waving tee-vee show like JAG!

And I make this comment as a retired attorney & someone who taught trial advocacy for several years.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
24. That was my first thought
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:59 PM
Jul 2013

Unabashed kangaroo court.

If he's so obviously guilty, why do they need to cheat to win?

People like Snowden (and us) would be well warned to not be anywhere in reach of these people if we want to do some serious truth telling.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
26. "Kangaroo court" was EXACTLY what came to mind.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 07:05 PM
Jul 2013

I'm embarrassed to be an American with crap like this going on.

DreamGypsy

(2,252 posts)
2. Manning will eventually be convicted of jaywalking...
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 12:47 AM
Jul 2013

...and sentenced to life in prison, solitary confinement.


“The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off.”

― Gloria Steinem

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
4. And people wonder why Whistle Blowers are leaving the country and seeking political
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 02:42 AM
Jul 2013

asylum elsewhere.

What a travesty of justice.

And the War Criminals have been sanitized, and walk free as if they were 'elder statesment' receiving praise form the man we supported with the 'hope' that some justice would be done for the victims of those criminals.

Land of the Not-So-Free-Anymore, Home of the Fearful.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
9. +10000000
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 05:36 PM
Jul 2013

Yes--whistleblowers are the enemies of a corrupt system, because their crimes cannot stand up to public scrutiny.

How much $$$$$ is being spent in public relations to assassinate their characters?



totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
25. Yet we have people right in this forum calling for Edward Snowden to return and face the music.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 07:00 PM
Jul 2013

There is not a snowball's chance in hell that Snowden would get a fair trial regardless of what Eric Holder says. He has no choice but to seek exile.

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
28. I know. I didn't think it would get this bad though....I think Snowden
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 08:10 PM
Jul 2013

had good sense to get the hell out....as sad as that is.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
13. That is very true.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:20 PM
Jul 2013

One set of rules for the One Percent, and for those in power playing puppet to those interests.

And a totally different set of rules for everyone else.

struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)
12. From Mr Coombs' 24 July motion:
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:06 PM
Jul 2013
... The Defense did not know that “database” or “ records” meant “ information” and has suffered irreparable prejudice as a result ... The Court has ruled that the word “databases” includes the records and information contained in the databases, pointing to the definition of “database” in Black’s Law Dictionary. The Court states that “ information is necessarily included within the definition of both records or databases” ... Moreover, even though Black’s Law Dictionary defines database as it does, there are other logical understandings of the word “database” ...Furthermore, although the Court was apparently not persuaded by this argument, one could easily have an empty database ... Federal courts that have accepted that section 641 applies to information have uniformly held that information falls within the “ thing of value” prong of section 641, not the “records” prong of section 641 ... All federal case law where “ information” was alleged to have been stolen actually alleged in the charge sheet that information was stolen ... Here, the very property at issue is subject to dispute ... The Government never did establish that PFC Manning stole “databases” – whether one defines databases as the receptacle alone, or the receptacle plus the records in that receptacle ... If the Defense had known that when the Government charged databases, it really meant information, the Defense would have defended this case very differently ... The Defense would also have requested an expert on counter-intelligence to understand the specifics about the artificial market that Mr. Lewis testified about ... The Court appears to fault the Defense for not requesting additional specificity in the Bill of Particulars on the res alleged to have been stolen ... The Defense submits that PFC Manning did not steal or convert original records; and to the extent that he stole or converted anything, it was a copy of those records ... If the Government meant “ information” , it should have charged information. We should not have to rely on Black’s Law Dictionary to get us there ...

Coombs here is merely putting on record every possible objection he can imagine for the purposes of appeal: "Holy shit, your Honor! The defense is just entirely dumbstruck to learn that Mr Manning is now accused of stealing information!" That won't fly anywhere IMO

The valuation argument is also very weak: I have shown elsewhere that Manning cannot have spent as much as 30 seconds per document reading the documents he released, and even if on appeal a Court accepts the defense view that "the cost of production of records is the time it takes for someone to enter the records onto a database," it would be reasonable to assume the documents were not produced more quickly than Manning could have read them (if he had read them) -- but 700K+ documents produced at 30 seconds/document at the 2009 minimum wage of $7.25/hr values the records at about $42000, which exceeds the $1000 value the government must establish

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
14. Did Manning produce printed pages?
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:22 PM
Jul 2013

I thought everything he took was digitized, and probably transmitted to Wikileaks through a memory stick(s).

struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)
18. Why would that matter? If I were to go online and somehow access (say)
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:43 PM
Jul 2013

a credit card number, card security code, card expiration date, cardholder's name, and cardholder's address, I have actually taken something of value from that person, because the ability to use the card securely depends on a certain secrecy regarding these data

Similarly, if Manning illegitimately provides documents, containing names of anti-Taliban informants in Afghanistan, to a person who releases the documents without redaction -- with the view "Well, they're informants. So if they get killed, they've got it coming to them. They deserve it" -- then something of value has been taken, even more so if the Taliban studies the "documents .. for information to help them find and punish" the informers

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
35. Actually, all Manning did was hand the information over to Wikileaks.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 10:44 PM
Jul 2013

Wikileaks vetted it. I don't know that I have heard of anyone being killed as a result of the information that WL went and released. I had heard that almost everything they released was from completed operations - so that would make it difficult to have it end up getting somebody hurt or killed.

But there was a lot of embarrassment all around, for people in our diplomatic corps. And then of course, that disgusting video of our tanks gunning people down.

Meanwhile, IIRC, Cheney let it slip to Novak that Valerie Plame was a CIA operative, and people did die as a result of that disclosure. Neither Cheney or Novak were ever so much as rebuked.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
19. I am not sure that is a fair way to determine value
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:44 PM
Jul 2013

I might spend a huge amount of time engaging in making a table, but if I suck at making tables, then the table would still not be worth a whole heck of a lot. Also the government worker would have been paid no matter what the government worker did.

struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)
21. The government only has to clear a $1000 hurdle. If you value the documents
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:53 PM
Jul 2013

at as little as 2 mills ($0.002) each, they'd clear the hurdle for bulk release. Presumably, there's a general consensus that diplomatic dispatches are worth on average more than 2/10 of a cent, since otherwise nobody would bother to write them, read them, or craft international treaties protecting them

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
17. Show Trial with added spite.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:41 PM
Jul 2013

Very authoritarian and disgusting. I'd call it un-American, but it's more of the same old, same old.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
23. Tough gig going after the entire federal government the way he did.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:54 PM
Jul 2013

I don't think he will get the death penalty, though.

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