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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"I had not abandoned my trust in the Bush administration."
Glenn Greenwald:
"Despite these doubts, concerns, and grounds for ambivalence, I had not abandoned my trust in the Bush administration. Between the presidents performance in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, the swift removal of the Taliban in Afghanistan..."
"I wanted the president to succeed, because my loyalty is to my country and he was the leader of my country, I still gave the administration the benefit of the doubt."
This is Greenwald's debunk of his support for the Iraq war?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023134060
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/30/1182442/-Glenn-Greenwald-Responds-to-Widespread-Lies-About-Him-on-Cato-Iraq-War-and-more#
From the preface Greenwald cites in the piece at the link.
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http://www.bookbrowse.com/excerpts/index.cfm?fuseaction=printable&book_number=1812
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Really Glenn? What the fuck were you watching?
Were you watching this???
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)pscot
(21,024 posts)He comes across as more of a socialist.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)That is not necessarily true. Means of production owned by the workers is what the goal is (imo). Gov does not have to be larger to accomplish this end.
pscot
(21,024 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)AKA 'smaller government'.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)nt.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Which is why the richest country on the planet shouldn't have ANY of it's children going to bed hungry.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Right now it only purrs when the rich stroke it.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Someone would have to enforce the laws that distribute the benefits down the income scale. That's going to take more government than a completely "hands-off" libertarian government.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Employers are FORCED to pay a good wage or NOBODY will work for them.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Right wing talking point.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)social security administration is a lot more government than we had before. The government is administering a fund withheld from employers/employees and then disbursed to beneficiaries such as disabled and retired. My sister who was disabled before she died enjoyed social security benefits which were so very helpful.
Why lie to yourself? The "more government is bad" meme is a right wing talking point. Stating that socialism would by its very definition necessitate greater involvement of government in our lives is not a right wing talking point.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)pscot
(21,024 posts)A lot of folks show up at CATO
Rex
(65,616 posts)Not what he said.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)struggle4progress
(118,295 posts)Posted on April 22, 2011 by jreid
... I would like to point out that in the Q&A at 38:00 Greenwald specifically addresses a possible alliance between progressives and Ron Paul libertarians. He also mentions Gary Johnson as a unique candidate with possibly the best chance of bringing this coalition together in a 2012 run for president ...
http://blog.reidreport.com/2011/04/re-rise-of-the-naderites-glenn-greenwalds-third-party-dreamin/
And here's Gary, hyping the phoney IRS scandal recently:
Libertarian Gary Johnson: 'this Independence Day feels different'
By Jennifer Harper - The Washington Times
July 3, 2013, 10:16PM
... This Independence Day feels a little different, he says. The news in recent weeks about the IRS using its force against certain targeted groups has reminded us that, absent vigilance on our part, the government will abuse the power it has accumulated ... ...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2013/jul/3/libertarian-gary-johnson-independence-day-feels-di/
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)Most of his positions, particularly on economics, are wingding crapola.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)1) the "great" presentation by the secretary of state.
2) the smear campaign against a neutral party weapons inspector ending with the sellout of his wife (treasonous act)
3) many more, that I could probably recall if I took a little time.
Basically, he never listened to NPR, BBC, or CNN during this period of time. That leaves FOX as his news source. Ya sure, he is a lefty.
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To Be honest, I have never heard of Greenwald before these post on DU. I have zero background with him. I guess I do not follow "popular" media types much.
pscot
(21,024 posts)He seems like a truth teller, to me. There are few enough of those as it is. I really do not understand the obvious urgency of the attacks. Why does this guy matter so much?
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Seems kind of hypocritical don't you think?
pscot
(21,024 posts)msongs
(67,420 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)Speaking of "avoidance of the core issue," at least I don't start threads and abandon them: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021865841
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)pscot
(21,024 posts)to grind?
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Response to ProSense (Original post)
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ProSense
(116,464 posts)revmclaren
(2,524 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)blm
(113,065 posts)programs that included widespread surveillance of American citizens?
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)n/t
ProSense
(116,464 posts)I'm sure you know you're free to start a thread about any "policy" you'd like to address.
TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)I'm free to start threads, or comment in yours. Duh.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)And he must think his published words go away, never.
AllINeedIsCoffee
(772 posts)and thought he'd be part of the in-crowd if he licked enough Bush.
pscot
(21,024 posts)people just make stuff up, or regurgitate something they heard on a talk show. Do you have a link for information about his law practice? The only thing I've heard is that he defended some fundamentalist church in a civil rights dispute; an ACLU matter. That doesn't sound like corporate law.
AllINeedIsCoffee
(772 posts)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Greenwald#Litigation_attorney
The firm is also known for its skill in business litigation. It has handled many of the precedent-setting Delaware corporate governance cases. One of their most recent clients was Larry Silverstein, owner of the two 110-story towers of the World Trade Center. Videos of another one of the founding partners, Herb Wachtell, arguing cases in the courtroom are shown in law school classes as examples of effective trial advocacy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wachtell,_Lipton,_Rosen_%26_Katz
Famous alumni of Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz includes:
Chaim Fortgang, partner & former Head of the bankruptcy department - "involved in almost every headline bankruptcy of the [1990s] and beyond
Andrew Schlafly, associate founder of Conservapedia, General Counsel for Association of American Physicians and Surgeons
Ed Herlihy partner, lead lawyer in the Merrill Lynch merger with Bank of America
Chaim Fortgang, partner & former Head of the bankruptcy department - "involved in almost every headline bankruptcy of the [1990s] and beyond
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wachtell,_Lipton,_Rosen_%26_Katz#Famous_alumni
pscot
(21,024 posts)real job after law school? And it lasted under 2 years? I'm not sure you can read too much into that.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)trademark dispute with another Nazi-based Church and after losing that case, defended Matt Hale against the victims of his hate crimes in an anti-Klan suit.
last1standing
(11,709 posts)Is there a minimum quota?
NealK
(1,870 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)sigmasix
(794 posts)How anyone imagines that progressives should trust a "journalist" that is a fan of the teabagger faction amazes me. Greenwald is part of a right wing libertarian attempt to smear the president with the evils of the bush administration. They don't care if they are convincing or advancing the truth- all that matters is to take liberal voters out of the election by convincing them to vote libertarian, or not to vote at all because of disgust over these baseless lies and hyperbole. You Betcha'
pscot
(21,024 posts)NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)Though, we must recognize even a broken clock is right twice a day.
The interesting thing here is that Greenwald's opponents seem to also faithfully, unquestionably, relentlessly follow their own group and/or leader. Maybe that broken clock is right this time, eh?
freshwest
(53,661 posts)If anyone remembers 2001. there was a steady stream of scandals breaking every week. The Bush machine and friends were under fire daily, even on cable news.
I remember his cronies that he moved into the White House for the Energy Summit, PNAC, Darth, Rummy and Karl and ENRON, and his faith based initiatives. Oh, he was a busy little POS even before September 11.
His NCLB was about gathering data on children in school for his crummy wars, oh my. He was an outrageous lying POS before the election of 2000, and even years before that screwing up Texas. I remmeber his gang of grifters, making corporate and pollution regulatiohns voluntary, going after states that didn't vote for him, and the freaking DHS, Patriot Act, and on and on.
And the cheerleading warmonger media, cutting coverage for kids with asthma, closing social safety net agencies, stripping rights away, fucking Medicare, SCHIP and student loans rates, rank intimidation, and all of that.
But you see, that's the view from the bottom that the media heroes walk on top of, that they never say a fucking word about. as we're not their class. Because it ain't their lives, no more than the minorities screwed out of their votes between Jebbie, George, Roger and Harris and the gang in FL and elsewhere.
Don't forget 'the jury's still out on evolution,' charter schools, and all those other wonders. That was all going on before 9/11. Excuuse me for going class warfare, with my proletariat rant!
If I keep going I might just get upset. Damn, I need some lof this amnesia RX half the world seems to be taking, as I haven't forgotten a fucking thing. I was paying a lot of attention the whole time, since folks I knew got screwed without the kiss. I didn't have the luxury of all this fancy stuff. Obviously, these things didn't effect the 1%.
It would be nice to only have to worry about a1% brat who didn't get his way. Yeah, it is about class for me. I'm so unfair, so mean to them. They're only killing us and the planet with their little games. Sorry to take it personally.
As if these guys give a flying fuck about my life or the people I care about. Screw the shiny things being dangled by the 1% media. The media will say or do anything for their masters. That ain't me.
progressoid
(49,991 posts)I eagerly await your condemnation of them as well.
DRoseDARs
(6,810 posts)"It is not desirable or fulfilling to realize that one does not trust one's own government and must disbelieve its statements, and I tried, along with scores of others, to avoid making that choice until the facts no longer permitted such logic.
Soon after our invasion of Iraq, when it became apparent that, contrary to Bush administration claims, there were no weapons of mass destruction, I began concluding, reluctantly, that the administration had veered far off course from defending the country against the threats of Muslim extremism. It appeared that in the great national unity the September 11 attacks had engendered, the administration had seen not a historically unique opportunity to renew a sense of national identity and cohesion, but instead a potent political weapon with which to impose upon our citizens a whole series of policies and programs that had nothing to do with terrorism, but that could be rationalized through an appeal to the nation's fear of further terrorist attacks.
And in the aftermath of the Iraq invasion came a whole host of revelations that took on an increasingly extremist, sinister, and decidedly un-American tenor. The United States was using torture as an interrogation tool, in contravention of legal prohibitions. We were violating international treaties we had signed, sending suspects in our custody for interrogation to the countries most skilled in human rights abuses. And as part of judicial proceedings involving Yaser Esam Hamdi, another U.S. citizen whom the Bush administration had detained with no trial and no access to counsel, George W. Bush began expressly advocating theories of executive power that were so radical that they represented the polar opposite of America's founding principles."
The rest of the excerpt really gets better in destroying your smear.
Rex
(65,616 posts)although clearly knowing it was an invasion and not legit. What is your point? So what.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)like this one
http://billmoyers.com/content/glenn-greenwald-on-the-george-w-bush-administration-and-the-rule-of-law/
He also wrote three books about the George W. Bush Administration; The New York Times-bestsellers How Would A Patriot Act? (2006) and Tragic Legacy (2007), and his 2008 release, Great American Hypocrites.
Galraedia
(5,026 posts)Where was Greenwald when it mattered? Glenn Greenwald only released those books and changed his opinion of the Bush administration when public opinion of the administration was at an all-time low. He sold his criticism of Bush for profit and fame.
Number23
(24,544 posts)But I'm kicking and recing because the paranoia and moronic backtracking of everything GG has said and done is just too much for my mind to take. And I would expect for GG to do the backtracking himself, but the folks lining up and looking even more like utter morons than usual to his dirty work for him is just too damn much.
This place is so full of crazy.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)much attention to the news. I read the LA Times every morning while exercising. According to that newspaper at that time, the Iraq War was a wonderful idea.
I learned the truth later when I emerged from my office.
And when I did, I quit the LA Times and told them exactly why. Bush lied to me. The LA Times lied to me. And members of Congress at time including Biden, Clinton and many others, in fact the majority of the members of Congress lied to me.
I have never trusted "my" government so much since then.
In this surveillance matter I absolutely do not trust this government. I thought Obama would have the courage to stand up for what is right. He has shown so far that he does not. He is as caught up in lying to please the NSA and CIA and all the rest of the clowns just as much as any other president since WWII. (With maybe the exception of Jimmy Carter. In that instance, I am not certain how honest he is and has been.)
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)This is pretty much my story as well.
Unfortunately, this OP is essentially just demonstrating how useful hindsight is as a weapon when someone's got an axe to grind.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)It's damn sure not an excuse for someone trying to debunk the claim he supported the war when he did.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)Response to JNelson6563 (Reply #56)
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NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)G_j
(40,367 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)K & R
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)any intelligent person would find reasonable. Doesn't matter how many times you underline Bush, you got nothin.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)http://extremeliberal.wordpress.com/tag/glenn-greenwald/
The Patriot Act was signed on October 26, 2001 and this is what Glenn Greenwald wrote in the preface to his own book his words,
This is not to say that I was not angry about the attacks. I believed that Islamic extremism posed a serious threat to the country, and I wanted an aggressive response from our government. I was ready to stand behind President Bush and I wanted him to exact vengeance on the perpetrators and find ways to decrease the likelihood of future attacks. During the following two weeks, my confidence in the Bush administration grew as the president gave a series of serious, substantive, coherent, and eloquent speeches that struck the right balance between aggression and restraint. And I was fully supportive of both the presidents ultimatum to the Taliban and the subsequent invasion of Afghanistan when our demands were not met. Well into 2002, the presidents approval ratings remained in the high 60 percent range, or even above 70 percent, and I was among those who strongly approved of his performance.
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oh my, he thinks The Chimperor is eloquent.
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